Spot on.

I can see why some think Ore lacked a bit of energy, but actually the FIRST jive was a bit uncontrolled and the tech wasn't completely there, but the energy was very high and it was a trifle wild.

The final one he had the tech totally sorted and it was very controlled.

Must have blinked and missed that!

Just get tired of people saying he's not. And that no one ever says Louise was, and that Ore once did a comedy dance for comic relief which means he's JUST as ringery or some such bollocks.

And, for me, Danny's use of his stage training to cover his not that great tech is just how it is. And I don't like that sort of combo as I think a lot of people are fooled by the 'flash' and think he must be really AWESOME or something.

And he is very good. (Just not great).

And they've all got different advantages, and Danny's are pretty obvious and directly helpful.

Unfortunately I think Danny's narrative (which I think was fairly organically arrived at) led to a natural peak somewhere around or just after Blackpool. First you had the combination of "will he ever do badly at anything or mess up?" and "when will he get the 10 he deserved?", then he DID mess up (foxtrot), then he GOT the 10 he deserved (jive) and then he went on a triumphant rebound run of perfect scoring dances....and then there were still three weeks of series left to run, in which he messed up two routines (tango and quickstep) which are pretty close to being "core" dance types and he kind of petered out (I thought his AS was glorious personally but it didn't seem to land given he was b2 in the vote that week).

I do think it's interesting that of the ringah winners, only Caroline and Jill ever got a 40, and both of them accumulated them right at the very end. Danny I think might have somehow achieved the rare feat of peaking too soon twice in one series.

You are probably right. After that, he really only had "what a nice person he is" to continue on with, and Louise had already got that market cornered.

I still think though that at the end of the day, Danny just blew it over the last few weeks.

The marks didn't even reflect that really, either - but as Monkseal said, the Tango, the Salsa and the QS in the final were sub par.

And if Danny had played a blinder in the final, he would have won. Again the SD wasn't all his fault.

He needed to KEEP being the best, that was what he had, and had to show.

Actually, I think that's probably it in a nutshell.

If there had been as much clear water in performance between him and the others in the last two weeks as previous weeks, he would probably have won. Instead, he faltered a little and had no other story to fall back on. Ore upped his game a little and also had the impetus of the narrative drive.

I can accept that.

Although what I saw was the BEST dancer on the night, tech and expression, win.

The narrative is, at the very most, secondary.

I think narrative is vital to all reality shows with Strictly no exception. But not in the FIX! CONSPIRACY! way the tin foil hatters do. It's just the nature of the beast. It's equally a narrative and dance competition. You've got to bring both games to win it. I think you and Monkseal hit the nail on the head by saying that if your narrative is BEST DANCER EVER then you can't falter dancewise even a tiny bit, or you're toast.

Like I say, I really enjoyed Danny most throughout the series and I do think he was considerably more than flash. You get a bit silly about that at times when you're replying to the Danny Die Harders (sorry!) but I get that too - it's the nature of the interwebz forum. Regardless, Ore performed best over three dances in the final. I agree completely.

Girl's got to have some fun. The Danny dieharders are a strange, earnest and tinfoiled lot.

And I genuinely don't say anything I don't mean, although I can be a little playfully creative, verbally.

I'd still be very surprised if Danny gets headline WE stuff, except for a little while on the back of Strictly. But I could be wrong.

The narrative carries people through to the final. Worked very well for Chris & Ola.

For the final show Ore & Joanne performed the best with the 3 routines they had.

The fix people are more hung up about the semi final judges scoring, yet oddly there was some questioning the results of the dance off in week 9 (Greg vs Claudia).

To be honest, I don't really care whether or not someone has dance experience, I just want to enjoy the show, good or bad dances, people with experience or not, I don't get what the big deal is.

Apparently Len does though

Is that right, people complaining that danny and louise actually shed a tear or two on the last ITT OF THE SERIES??
Bloody hell, Ore O'blubber could cry for England and some. And did from about week 4 onwards.

Perhaps they were just dishing it back to those MANY who slated Ore endlessly for crying?

Just a thought.

Or perhaps the same people who were disgusted at Ore for crying?

I doubt anyone who likes Ore would slate them seriously.

Oh, I think the narrative of the series is of primary importance at all times especially - or particularly - for TPTB. They are producing a prime time entertainment show that relies on booking celebs ... any narrative isn't going to be left to anything as iffy and unpredictable as random chance.

You only have to look back to the first weeks of this series to see just how quickly it can all go pear shaped - but now when celebs are approached, what will they remember? Umpteen randoms on t'interweb suddenly becoming injury experts, celebs walking and rewritten rule books or a feel good final overseen by the shade of Gene Kelly himself? That doesn't just happen.

Then Danny blew his own narrative out of the water then. And that's why he didn't win?

Or do you think he danced better than Ore in the final?

Even though he was in the bottom 2 twice it was obvious after seeing what dances they were doing in the final that Ore & Joanne would win as they had the 3 crowd pleasing dances vote and the journey vote.

Danny's Samba was better than Ore's Jive on Finals night (Jive seemed to run out of steam). Show-dance is subjective (Ore very similar to his AS with added giant drum bothering, Danny's mirror frame bothering was more dramatic). Ore's AS was danced as well as the first time without changes. Danny's QS was not as good as the first time but the changes made to the routine were better.

So the mistakes in the QS along with the more dramatic storyline in their Show-dance lost it for Danny. By the time they did their Samba it would be too late to really make much difference to the on-line vote.

So he stuffed up one dance and the next dance was of debatable appeal, and I really have to say, not brilliantly danced, seriously although I'm sure you disagree.

Sounds like enough to me.



And Danny's QS was out from start to finish, it wasn't just one mistake although there was one huge one.

Ore nailed his dances, and he didn't run out of energy in the jive, he was crisp and cool as cucumber - he had the tech totally sorted though, so it may have looked less energetic. I don't think for a second it was worse than Danny's Samba, which, as usual was actually a bit uncontrolled for a Samba, but hey.

Pretty much everyone acknowledges that Ore was best on the night. And he was.

Based on your comments you were a fan of Ore and didn't like Danny

After Danny being in the dance-off, I thought that the final would be between Louise and Ore. I always knew that Danny wouldn't win.

have you become the unofficial Ore fan spokesperson? And where where all these ore 'fans' until week 12?

Agree with this and people claiming Danny choked in two of his dances in the final and threw his chance of winning I disagree with