Yeah agree... and I thought louise would nick it too, just based on the fact that she hadn't been a bottom-dweller in the public vote like ore, and danny had tumbled away in the public vote the week before. The polls in the last week, as with other polls on other 'things' this year were pathetically wrong!

Agreed.

Danny made up for his mistakes in the Quickstep with the showdance and Samba.

Well die hard fans just cannot see that actually Danny lost the final. Just didn't dance as well as Ore, and you never will.


A hell of a lot of people did think Ore nailed it though, even many, many Danny fans, and the public, of course.

Something you'll just have to accept.

And them some !!!!!!

On every single thread banging on and on

We get it you did n't like Danny imo he was the best dancer by a country mile and will have an amazing career n the west end. If fact he already has a part if the papers are to be believed.

If we don't have drama school people what are we left with reality tv nobodies no thanks I would rather switch off

You see I think that about you - that you just love Danny so much you can't admit, can't even SEE that you could be wrong, in spite of any argument or the public vote.

I never disliked Danny, he's a nice enough chap. He's a very good dancer too. But his dancing never engaged me, and he never seemed to get any better, and by the end, his Latin and Ballroom just wasn't as good as Ore's, who was constantly learning the skills, as well as the routines.

Well, there's plenty of you lot, why are you moaning? Many seem to want to defend Danny to the death and scream about fixing and wuzrobbed, there's an attic for that if you don't want opposition.

The public weren't 'engaged' in Ore either until week 12, the semi-final that stank the place out and len-gate....putting him top of the leaderboard after that pathetic AT?
Have you seen that video of ore in 2013? what do you think? not too shabby was he? or maybe you think he was and he's improved an awful lot since then....
The real 'star' of this series was a REAL non-dancer.....Ed bloody balls!

I was actually musing about what goes on behind the curtain, rather than what happened in front of it. I tend to think the bods in Strictly Towers always work a with at least one eye on how what is happening now will impact on the next series (and even the one after. Strictly is far too important to be left to random chance).

With that in mind I think their preferred outcome would be either an Ore (no previous dance experience) or Louise (woman) win but they could just about live with Danny (although the storyboarding for a female never danced before next year would have been epic).

As it turns out, Ore needed no help because he was the only one who actually treated the final like the final and something to be won. That's possibly where his sports background helped?

And there's an example.

Ore did a comedy dance for comic relief. I bet he's danced at a few clubs and parties too. What a ringer

I'm not going to argue about whether Ore's was an AT or not, but it was a bloody good dance, and let's not go on about overmarking when Danny's previous week's Tango was an awful mess.

Ore is a REAL non dancer, but that doesn't matter, except it made him a bit inconsistent and helped make his dancing fascinating to watch.

Perhaps more than a few were engaged with Ore, just not so many here? And many enjoyed how he upped his game, and how he danced his heart out on final night.

And by the final was BETTER than Danny at Latin and Ballroom.

I completely agree here. I don't think that he EXPECTED to win, but his sporting background would still make him go out and do the bloody BEST he damned well could, at the main event.

It's probably just in his bones and mindset because of his background, interests and training.


I honestly think the judges were expecting a Danny win and were absolutely fine with it. Craig HATED having to mark his shambolic QS down ONE point, for example, and they all gave him WONDERFUL comments, although people don't seem to acknowledge that.

But as you say, Ore didn't lose his nerve and he fought like a lion to be the best on the night. And Jo had really, seriously, trained him in tech, and it paid off, as Ore is a natural showman and he could put that in more easily. It all came together, in the dances he loved and was great at, on the night.

Lets agree to disagree I am saying even if Danny danced flawlessly on Saturday night he wouldn't have won so therefore didn't choke and Ore did dance great I admit that but that doesn't mean I thought he should have won.

I am being completely honest now I supported Danny since Week 1 when he did the Cha Cha and voted for him every week bar semi final I wasn't not going to vote for him in the final because he was my winner from his very first dance even if he wasn't always perfect,

Looking to future now I cant wait to see what Danny does next and hopefully Craig will cast him in one of his shows because I think Danny is the triple threat he can sing, dance and act.

Guys, guys, guys - Ore won and both him and Danny (and Ed Balls) seem to be doing fine. Danny was the best all series but wasn't bitter he didn't win (and nor was Louise) nor should his fans be. Oti will have other stabs at the glitterball. Wishing all the best to the whole cast of 2016 and I'm even interested to see what Melvin could do with appropriate music and without dreadful theming at the Christmas special. Love ya all guys

Hmm, I put a tenner on Ore to win, on week two because he had everything I love in a performer - the showmanship, the likeability and his natural ability. The only bet I've ever placed I might add. So I think, no, scratch that, I KNOW you're wrong

Yeah their dancing experience was mentioned, not during their individual segments but more a summation. That's why this thread was started, although it does seem to have veered off in a different direction.
Here is a quote from the OP.

I am slightly disappointed how the contestants dance experience is being unfairly used against them.

Danny Mac went to an arts school and played parts on the west end and he has had to publicly defend himself and his previous experience. Whereas Louise perhaps has the most dance background as she trained with Italia arts academy with a dance specialism and was even a judge on so you think you can dance owing to her dance credentials. Yet this is overlooked and ignored. On the final take two - judges/guest judges spoke about how both Ore and Louise came from nowhere in terms of dance ability, but Danny had professional training.

This sounds like unfairness to me.

You're making it sound like all she's done is dancing. Going to Italia Conti doesn't mean you must be what would normally be called a "trained dancer"; and the sort of "stage craft" that's needed for a group like Eternal would have to be unlearned for Strictly.

This is absolutely spot on.

I know a few people who've guested on It Takes Two and they're in no way told what to say. If outside people come on and say that Louise has come from nowhere that's on them. I don't remember the judges appearing on the final It Takes Two at all, although admittedly I don't have perfect recall of it. The only real strong push I remember of a member of "show staff" for a contestant was Gethin waving the "WUZZROBBED" flag for Claudia.

Regardless, Len said in the final that Ore was the only one without dance training (his speech in the semi was a little more vague, his having said that "you could make a case" that the other three had something in their background that would make them a good dancer). That applies to, and detracts from, Louise as much as it does Danny.

Personally, yes I do. Though he made a footwork error in his QS - his dance ability and technique was far better than Ore's whose frame still left a bit to be desired at times. It was a technically more detailed and difficult dance than the AS. For me it was still a spectacular dance and I enjoyed seeing it again, though would have preferred Oti not to have changed it at all.

Showdance is all about personal taste, and personally I preferred Danny and Oti's, and even Louise's over Ore's. Again, dance ability, technique, variety shown by Danny was far better than Ore's IMO. Louise I got the concept it just didn't quite work out, but I applaud her for doing something a bit different and she obviously enjoyed it.

Ore's was a similar vein to his AS and very cleverly choreographed by Joanne (kudos to her), not much in hold so no problems to be picked up, and not much 'mirroring' moves to show up timing/synchronicity which he can struggle with, it was a 'she did it, then I do it' routine for much of it. He danced it well, and performed his socks off. But I personally preferred Danny's. But Showdance has always been subjective.

As for the 3rd dance - that samba was the best dance of all. Blew the jive out the water, Ore lost steam at that point and danced it well, but it wasn't as impactful 2nd time around, whereas Danny was even better with his samba.

But it's all subjective, and I congratulate Ore on winning, he did brilliantly on the night. I just feel that Danny danced better (even with the error).

I think it was Zoe who said it to be honest. I'm sure others on here must have seen it so hopefully someone will confirm.

I agree with all of this and also that it is subjective too.

I had no favourites at all before week one and if anything had more of a leaning towards Ore as I knew who he was and had enjoyed the Olympic coverage. But Danny's first dance was, as Craig would say, right up my street. There was a little move he did near the end that I thought was great and may well have been picked up from stage school who knows. But he had a lot to unlearn in that case and he improved enormously in Ballroom and Latin, especially details like arm movement, whereas actually I really wasn't impressed with Ore's frame at all in his showdance and nothing in that looked any better than he did for his Comic Relief dance a few years ago. I did like his jive and AS though. He always had showmanship and musicality and athleticism.

What I find hilarious was the notion that Danny was too good to start off with, could not have been as good as he was in week one (after 3 weeks working on one dance with Oti) and therefore must have had fictitious extra dancing experience on stage. And he had to live with that because people believed it. And yet Ore...'couldn't even dance at his own wedding'...could be that good in week 3 (I think) to do his jive and then AS. OK!

But hey ho...or should that be hey ya! (and no, dancing for comic relief does not make a ringer, nobody says that...it's just people who bought the didn't dance at his own wedding, might be a trifle surprised at that dance!) But I am happy in my knowledge that Danny and Oti knocked our socks off week after week, gave it their all including the final...if anything they gave it too much but that was them and they couldn't do anything else )

I think my favourite memory from the final...was that samba, the reaction from the crowd and then upstairs when they all joined in again and bless her Oti with those tears running down her face.

Just to correct my post - it was Ian Waite who said it to Zoe. Found it still on my planner.

For someone who wasn't engaged by him and who claimed earlier in the thread you didn't really care, you don't half go on about him.

The thing that annoyed me was that people made a big deal about Danny previous dance experience but not a lot was made of Louise she had previous dance experience and was a judge on SYTYCD.

Whilst there is some argument for subjectivity, much doesn't actually hold.

The QS was not hugely innovative nor difficult compared to the other QSs and it wasn't one littl mistake, his timing was out for a lot of it and he is stiff in the frame and there was one huge mistake.

The showdance didn't come off, so as a dance it was inferior to Ore's which did. And it didn't come off not just because of the theme, but because the choreography was too fierce and busy and it was not danced to a level where they could carry it off.

I thought Danny did a good job with the Samba, but Ore's jive was wonderful, he was more controlled and the tech was excellent.

However we are free to disagree.

I don't care generally about dance TRAINING. I've supported ringers.

I go on about Danny because people are trashing Ore in order to defend him.

And I care about Ore, who I was engaged by.