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Lidl to create 5000 jobs despite Brexit
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MTUK1
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“if it were what low quality?

the reason the store may be more appealing to people is simple. because it offers cheap goods and people look to save money. middle classes may spend money elsewhere such as on ridiculously high private school fees. i know a few people who shop there who have good jobs with good pay but they have huge mortgages which mean they have to budget elsewhere, or high private school fees, so they cut back elsewhere”

Again like kidspud, you're sticking your fingers in your ears and not listening. You have a pre conceived bias based on what Lidl's food was like 10 years ago. It was bad back then. It's now on the whole very good or excellent even. It wouldn't be winning awards if it wasn't. Yes, the supermarkets themselves are a bit more downmarket looking than Tesco or Sainsbury's but the food isn't.
MTUK1
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“It's a shambles because a lot of the people having to implement it didn't really want it.
17 million other people did.”

It's not a shambles. And the majority of people who voted did want it. That's why leave won. God you remoaners are so boring.
MTUK1
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“you are wrong. there is no guarantee whatsoever. you need to accept that simple fact. the whole brexit planning is a complete and utter shambles. we've not even confirmed our intentions formally of wanting to leave the EU

there's absolutely nothing you can say to change that fact”

There is a guarantee. We had a vote. You lost. We're going. The government wouldn't dare keep us in. There would be riots if they tried that. Just stop remoaning and grow up.
trunkster
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Again like kidspud, you're sticking your fingers in your ears and not listening. You have a pre conceived bias based on what Lidl's food was like 10 years ago. It was bad back then. It's now on the whole very good or excellent even. It wouldn't be winning awards if it wasn't. Yes, the supermarkets themselves are a bit more downmarket looking than Tesco or Sainsbury's but the food isn't.”

The Lidl's here are starting to be built like the ones in Spain, which are excellent.
They offer excellent value and quality staple food items.
Sainsbury's and Tesco try to cover too many bases.
trunkster
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“It's not a shambles. And the majority of people who voted did want it. That's why leave won. God you remoaners are so boring.”

I'm not a remoaner 😡
MTUK1
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“I'm not a remoaner 😡”

Apologies. Perhaps I read your post wrongly. But you came across as one in it.
trunkster
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Apologies. Perhaps I read your post wrongly. But you came across as one in it.”

Thanks, what I'm saying is the party or rather the cabinet in power didn't expect the result, and so those trying to implement it didn't all want it or expect it. The will of the 17 million must be implemented or there will be trouble.
John146
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“wrong. there is no guarantee whatsoever”

Would you like to hear Mrs May say it again, 'we are leaving the EU'


http://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddrin...les/vi-AAlBDAP
kidspud
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Yet again you're talking nonsense. You have great form on here for that. When did you last visit one? It may have been the case that Lidl's food was bad 10 years ago, but these days lots of the food is as good or if not better than most supermarket brands and own brands. It also regularly wins awards for its food. It has become quite fashionable for well paid middle class shoppers to go there too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/shop...dle-class.html”

I visited one on Wednesday and purchased some butter and olive oil.

The 'popular with middle class' makes a good story, but if you go in them as much as you claim you can see with your own eyes that isn't true.
MTUK1
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by John146:
“Would you like to hear Mrs May say it again, 'we are leaving the EU'


http://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddrin...les/vi-AAlBDAP”

It's truly amazing that remoaners have got it into their head that we could stay isn't it?
MTUK1
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I visited one on Wednesday and purchased some butter and olive oil.

The 'popular with middle class' makes a good story, but if you go in them as much as you claim you can see with your own eyes that isn't true.”

Oh for fook sake. I'm sticking you on ignore. If the sky were blue you'd argue it was teal with purple and green polkadots in it.
John146
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“It's truly amazing that remoaners have got it into their head that we could stay isn't it?”

Well, yes, but then again remoaners seem to like living in hope
kidspud
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Oh for fook sake. I'm sticking you on ignore. If the sky were blue you'd argue it was teal with purple and green polkadots in it.”

I'm gutted. Bye.
ShaunIOW
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“Absolutely. As we become poorer, they're the ones who are going to flourish and they know it. See also: "Wetherspoons".

My biggest market is shopfitting manufacturers, of which there are still many in the country. The discounters spend SFA on their shops, so with their profits exported, they don't benefit the country.”

So where are your complaints about the UK car industry all being foreign owned now? as are our utility and some transport companies? Or is that ok because it doesn't affect you personally and has been happening long before Brexit was thought of? Plus all the multi-nationals using EU laws to register or offshore their profits (some to other EU countries like Luxembourg) using shell companies in the Netherlands to transfer money to the IOM etc.
MargMck
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“the point is you are making comments without having much experience on what you are talking about, just as i could tell initially from your comments”

How pompous. At least I can tell you type out of your arse now.
And still no explanation for what your expertise in this area is. Tinned WUM from the BOGOF section, I think.
James2001
17-12-2016
Why would Brexiters like Lidl anyway- German supermarket, coming over here, taking jobs away from British supermarkets, probably working to Merkel's words etc. BRITISH SUPERMARKETS FOR BRITISH PEOPLE!
MTUK1
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by James2001:
“Why would Brexiters like Lidl anyway- German supermarket, coming over here, taking jobs away from British supermarkets, probably working to Merkel's words etc. BRITISH SUPERMARKETS FOR BRITISH PEOPLE!”

I'm a brexiter and I like Lidl. So your theory is utter nonsense.
MargMck
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by James2001:
“Why would Brexiters like Lidl anyway- German supermarket, coming over here, taking jobs away from British supermarkets, probably working to Merkel's words etc. BRITISH SUPERMARKETS FOR BRITISH PEOPLE!”

You really don't get it, do you? People are not simply defined by how they voted back in June, Remain or Brexit, in The Real World.
ShaunIOW
17-12-2016
The hypocrisy from some remoaners in this thread is astounding - here they're complaining about a foreign owned company doing more business in the UK, and in other threads they're complaining about the possibility of foreign owned companies leaving the UK - make up your frigging mind, and some of them have the audacity to call brexiters buffoons and stupid...

Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut:
“Good for Lidl. A foreign country showing how to co-operate for the common good. I wonder how many Brexit buffoons will swallow their prejudice and ignorance and use the new Lidl stores.”

What a stupid comment, Lidl (and Aldi) have been here for years long before Brexit was even mooted, and although I voted for leaving I will still use them as I always have here and in Germany.

Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“LIDL have just bought our local co op . closing it and making all the dozens of workers redundant just before xmas and have no intention of opening any kind of store for about 2 years,( I reckon eventually they will sell it on for housing) so our small town suffers joblessness and the loss of our supermarket in one fell swoop I HATE LIDL for what thy have done.

They do not seem to care about local people at all.”

And Tesco and Morrisons do? Since they opened new stores in and near my village, traditional stores and two garages that have been here for generations, have ended up going out of business and been shut to the point that now apart from them, a few take-aways and hairdressers, there is nothing left of the high street with most of the shops now houses or flats, and the two main shopping high streets on teh island now contain not much more than mobile phone, betting and pound shops since the large companies opened their stores just outside town (Sainsburys and Morrisons in Newport and Tesco in Ryde, with an Asda currently being built outside Newport).

Originally Posted by Thiswillbefun:
“German retailer uses the collapse in sterling to flood the UK market with cheap food and undercut British retailers.

More money being sucked out of the British economy...as spun by The Daily Fail.”

Like I said in another post, its no different to our car, utility and transport companies being foreign owned, yet you haven't been whinging about that, and actually aren't you a tory suporter so must have supported our British industries being sold off to foreigners?

Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I've been to a Lidl and it is low quality, low cost food. If you don't know that I assume is because you know no better.”

You really don't have a clue do you? A lot of what Lidl sells is branded food, and those that aren't dosen't mean because they're cheap or you don't recognise the brand that they're poor, in fact a lot of the brands you don't recognise are imported from Germany and are the exact same products that are on sale in Germany - I know as I have some here and have had it in Germany as well, and when my family were over two years ago, they thought it was great being able to buy some of the same food here as they bought at home.
Thiswillbefun
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by ShaunIOW:
“So where are your complaints about the UK car industry all being foreign owned now? as are our utility and some transport companies? Or is that ok because it doesn't affect you personally and has been happening long before Brexit was thought of? Plus all the multi-nationals using EU laws to register or offshore their profits (some to other EU countries like Luxembourg) using shell companies in the Netherlands to transfer money to the IOM etc.”

I've been raising issues about our governments selling off our public sector abroad on the cheap for years.

In particular some of our rail services being part German & French owned, but the British taxpayer subsidizing these businesses to the tune of £4bn a year, while they pay out hundreds of millions each year in dividends.

I also pointed out how the fall in sterling has allowed overseas businesses to buy out UK businesses on the cheap. In particular the worldworld's leading semiconductor intellectual property supplier ARM Holdings being bought by Japanese firm Softbank.

Britain is being sold off to the lowest bidder by our governments, and Brexit is the catalyst to allow areas such as the privatised NHS and other public sector areas to be sold, meaning higher costs for the public.

Meanwhile the private sector will see further takeovers and relocations, and the impact of falling demand due low pay and less disposable income. Hence a shift to low cost shops such as Lidl.
MTUK1
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thiswillbefun:
“I've been raising issues about our governments selling off our public sector abroad on the cheap for years.

In particular some of our rail services being part German & French owned, but the British taxpayer subsidizing these businesses to the tune of £4bn a year, while they pay out hundreds of millions each year in dividends.

I also pointed out how the fall in sterling has allowed overseas businesses to buy out UK businesses on the cheap. In particular the worldworld's leading semiconductor intellectual property supplier ARM Holdings being bought by Japanese firm Softbank.

Britain is being sold off to the lowest bidder by our governments, and Brexit is the catalyst to allow areas such as the privatised NHS and other public sector areas to be sold, meaning higher costs for the public.

Meanwhile the private sector will see further takeovers and relocations, and the impact of falling demand due low pay and less disposable income. Hence a shift to low cost shops such as Lidl.”

ARM was purchased before the recent fall in Sterling.
MargMck
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by ShaunIOW:
“You really don't have a clue do you? A lot of what Lidl sells is branded food, and those that aren't dosen't mean because they're cheap or you don't recognise the brand that they're poor, in fact a lot of the brands you don't recognise are imported from Germany and are the exact same products that are on sale in Germany - I know as I have some here and have had it in Germany as well, and when my family were over two years ago, they thought it was great being able to buy some of the same food here as they bought at home.”

You're right Shaun. I have family members who feel the same having served with the British Army in Germany (their favourite base and very that we are pulling out of Germany over next 2 years or so). In Germany Lidl is moving into middle market territory and about to launch online click and collect shopping.
Moxey
17-12-2016
Lidl is showing great faith in Britain after Brexit. It knows that, in the years AFTER Brexit finally occurs, the ensuing economic disaster will have people shopping there in droves. After all, where else will people be able to afford to shop? Lidl and the pound shop will seem like an extravagance!
ShaunIOW
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thiswillbefun:
“I've been raising issues about our governments selling off our public sector abroad on the cheap for years.

In particular some of our rail services being part German & French owned, but the British taxpayer subsidizing these businesses to the tune of £4bn a year, while they pay out hundreds of millions each year in dividends.

I also pointed out how the fall in sterling has allowed overseas businesses to buy out UK businesses on the cheap. In particular the worldworld's leading semiconductor intellectual property supplier ARM Holdings being bought by Japanese firm Softbank.

Britain is being sold off to the lowest bidder by our governments, and Brexit is the catalyst to allow areas such as the privatised NHS and other public sector areas to be sold, meaning higher costs for the public.

Meanwhile the private sector will see further takeovers and relocations, and the impact of falling demand due low pay and less disposable income. Hence a shift to low cost shops such as Lidl.”

I broadly agree with you, although I don't think Brexit can be totally blamed seeing as a lot of things you mention have been going on since Thatcher in the 1980's, as has the fall in the value of currency for example in 1992 I went to Germany and at the exchange rate then a £15 CD in the UK was about £6 in Germany (exchange rate was DM3 to £1, when the Euro came in, the prices in Germany rocketed), last year when I looked to buy a CD from Germamy it's cost was almost the same as in the UK.
Mark_Jones9
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“yes i do. what is your point? have you forgotten what you actually said originally? the long and short of it is you were wrong with that you said”

My point is you obviously don't know what the word usually means. As you think food is usually VAT free contradicts almost all food is VAT free.

Originally Posted by unique:
“prove it. where did you get the data to provide such an answer?”

Fruit &Veg
Aldi, Lidl NFU Fruit & Veg pledge signatories.
Tesco not a signatory of the NFU pledge, when in season carrots, celeriac, onions, parsnips, swede, turnips UK

Eggs, Chicken, Milk, Cream, Butter
Aldi, Lidl, Tesco 100% UK

Cheese
Aldi 100% UK
Lidl ? & UK
Tesco Ireland & UK

Yoghurt
Aldi 67% UK 33% France
Lidl ?
Tesco Germany & UK

Pork
Aldi 100% UK
Lidl 96% UK
Tesco 63% UK

Sausage
Aldi, Lidl 100% UK
Tesco 77% UK

Bacon
Lidl 53% UK,
Aldi 44% UK
Tesco 36% UK

Ham
Tesco 62% UK
Aldi 47% UK
Lidl 36% UK

Beef
Aldi, Lidl 100% UK
Tesco Ireland & UK

Lamb
Aldi 100% UK,
Lidl, Tesco UK & New Zealand,

Source NFU

Originally Posted by unique:
“that's not strictly true. there is no guarantee the UK will leave the EU

what is true is as i said before the UK is in the EU. so your point is irrelevant”

If you think the UK is not going to leave the EU and that it is not going to enable changes in UK tax law the UK government has repeatedly attempted, then you are living in denial.

Originally Posted by unique:
“wrong again. and you've just generalised again, and furthermore produced no evidence or data

]so in a nutshell you can't prove what you say, and you are trying to disguise this fact by saying words to the effect of go find it yourself cuz i can't”

I already provide figures in a earlier post. And told you what they pay their workers is available online. Since you are unable to look at an earlier post in this thread and unable to manage using Google here are some figures.
Hourly pay of store assistants.
Lidl £8.45
Tesco £7.39 (£7.24 new employee)

Originally Posted by unique:
“so you don't disagree with what i said?”

No I don't disagree that other supermarkets like Tesco losing customers to Lidl are likely to cut back on staff. But, its not bad for the UK as Lidl pays its workers more, sources more of its food from UK farms and sells food cheaper than Tesco.

Originally Posted by unique:
“wrong. you sre simply generalising yet again

prove both of these things and state where you obtained your data”

Shopping comparison sites will show you Lidl is cheaper than Tesco, for example mysupermarket.co.uk
Lidl and Tesco both give their pay rates so you can see Lidl pays their workers higher wages.
Seriously are you incapable of using Google?

Originally Posted by unique:
“prove it. where did you get this data?”

retail-week.com

Originally Posted by unique:
“prove it. where did you get the data for this?”

More £s worth of sales per member of staff in retail equates to more productivity per member of staff.

Originally Posted by unique:
“that's simply a matter of opinion, not a fact”

You think its a matter of opinion that getting paid more is good for workers!
I guess you ask your employer to pay you less.

Originally Posted by unique:
“this isn't necesarily even true”

You think its not necessarily true that lower prices are good for consumers!
I guess when you go shopping you ask the checkout to charge you more.

Originally Posted by unique:
“this is just factual nonsense”

That higher pay reduces eligibility to in work benefits is a fact.
That higher pay can increase the amount of income tax and national insurance paid is also a fact.
I guess you have never claimed means tested benefits and have never worked.

Originally Posted by unique:
“this is more nonsense. it's subjective at best and won't be proven either way for a while”

Obviously Lidl disagree as they are expanding.

Originally Posted by unique:
“i'm not dismissing the truth. i'm pointing out the nonsense and factual innacuracies of what you are saying, and whether it's "good news" is simply a matter of opinion, not fact”

How is Lidl expanding bad news?
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