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Old 17-12-2016, 23:34
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Lidl is showing great faith in Britain after Brexit. It knows that, in the years AFTER Brexit finally occurs, the ensuing economic disaster will have people shopping there in droves. After all, where else will people be able to afford to shop? Lidl and the pound shop will seem like an extravagance!
I hope your post is a joke. Somehow, I think it isn't.
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:46
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Whenever any supermarket announces big job increases i don't get too excited because to some degree isn't it a zero sum game? If Lidl's have grown then its because Morrisons (or someone else has shrunk) so those jobs haven't just magically appeared out of nowhere.

Internal UK supermarket industry is either finite or growing (due to population growth), so surely the EU Ref result would have made no short term difference whatever the result. But presumably whoever won was always going to claim this Lidl expansion as theirs
So it's a zero sum game that's growing in size?
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:08
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I hope your post is a joke. Somehow, I think it isn't.
What's to laugh at? A bunch of Tory Old-Etonians indulged in Public School japes and gullible Little-Englanders/Kippers fell for it.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:12
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What's to laugh at? A bunch of Tory Old-Etonians indulged in Public School japes and gullible Little-Englanders/Kippers fell for it.
Utter nonsense. And it wasn't just England that voted to leave. You do know that Wales voted to leave on an even larger proportion of their population than England? Are they little Welsh people? People that voted to leave want to trade globally. Unlike the Little Europeans who want us to focus on the world's only declining trading block the EU.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:27
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Utter nonsense. And it wasn't just England that voted to leave. You do know that Wales voted to leave on an even larger proportion of their population than England? Are they little Welsh people? People that voted to leave want to trade globally. Unlike the Little Europeans who want us to focus on the world's only declining trading block the EU.
I do know that. That's why I referred to the Kippers. It's not complicated. Best of luck with the old trading globally.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:36
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I do know that. That's why I referred to the Kippers. It's not complicated. Best of luck with the old trading globally.
UK exports soared to a record monthly high in October driven by strong goods exports to non-EU countries.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:54
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UK exports soared to a record monthly high in October driven by strong goods exports to non-EU countries.
Any chance of a link?

The vagueness of the word "driven" as opposed to to the percentage value of the exports to non-EU countries has piqued my interest.

Here's a little-known (to the gullible and deluded) fact:

In October 2016, Britain was, and still is, enjoying all the perks and benefits of being in the EU. Can you understand that? The number of people who confuse the initial months after the vote with what life will be like AFTER BRITAIN LEAVES the EU is perplexing. Then again, if they were fooled by posh boys in the Bullingdon Club having a laugh, I shouldn't be so surprised.
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Old 18-12-2016, 01:08
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Any chance of a link?

The vagueness of the word "driven" as opposed to to the percentage value of the exports to non-EU countries has piqued my interest.
The hyperbole.
https://business-reporter.co.uk/2016...-high-exports/
The figures
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/natio...ktrade/oct2016
Here's a little-known (to the gullible and deluded) fact:

In October 2016, Britain was, and still is, enjoying all the perks and benefits of being in the EU. Can you understand that? The number of people who confuse the initial months after the vote with what life will be like AFTER BRITAIN LEAVES the EU is perplexing. Then again, if they were fooled by posh boys in the Bullingdon Club having a laugh, I shouldn't be so surprised.
You posted good luck with the old trading globally. Just pointing out we already do and its going quite well.

The referendum result triggered the £ to fall in value which would be expected to long-term help increase UK exports. After Brexit the UK will be able to make its own trade deals which should also help.
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Old 18-12-2016, 01:17
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I do know that. That's why I referred to the Kippers. It's not complicated. Best of luck with the old trading globally.
What is the 'old trading globally?' Anyone would think we weren't one of the biggest exporting nations in the world?
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Old 18-12-2016, 01:18
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Any chance of a link?

The vagueness of the word "driven" as opposed to to the percentage value of the exports to non-EU countries has piqued my interest.

Here's a little-known (to the gullible and deluded) fact:

In October 2016, Britain was, and still is, enjoying all the perks and benefits of being in the EU. Can you understand that? The number of people who confuse the initial months after the vote with what life will be like AFTER BRITAIN LEAVES the EU is perplexing. Then again, if they were fooled by posh boys in the Bullingdon Club having a laugh, I shouldn't be so surprised.
Is this Trevgo in disguise?
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Old 18-12-2016, 07:07
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So where are your complaints about the UK car industry all being foreign owned now? as are our utility and some transport companies? Or is that ok because it doesn't affect you personally and has been happening long before Brexit was thought of? Plus all the multi-nationals using EU laws to register or offshore their profits (some to other EU countries like Luxembourg) using shell companies in the Netherlands to transfer money to the IOM etc.
Also happening long before Brexit was the demise of the retail industry. As a result, millions of pounds worth of Trevgo's market have been and still are appearing on the second-hand market.
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Old 18-12-2016, 07:21
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What is the 'old trading globally?' Anyone would think we weren't one of the biggest exporting nations in the world?
All whilst being part of the EU.
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:17
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You can't say it's low quality just be a fleeting glance at the freezers. And you do come across as being a bit of a snob I'm afraid.
i had more than a fleeting glance. go look yourself. cheap 99p and £2 frozen pizzas aren't going to be anything other than low quality
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:20
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Again like kidspud, you're sticking your fingers in your ears and not listening. You have a pre conceived bias based on what Lidl's food was like 10 years ago. It was bad back then. It's now on the whole very good or excellent even. It wouldn't be winning awards if it wasn't. Yes, the supermarkets themselves are a bit more downmarket looking than Tesco or Sainsbury's but the food isn't.
you are wrong

you are jumping to conclusions and ending up wrong. if anyone is effectively sticking their fingers in their ears and not listening it's you. i have no bias, the store doesn't provide the products that interest me, yet from time to time i check it out to see if it's changed

if you bothered to even read what i posted you would see i had said i pop in about a couple of times a year. i was last in this month and apart from a new bakery section that i have no interest in, it doesn't look notably different in layout or products
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:22
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Whenever any supermarket announces big job increases i don't get too excited because to some degree isn't it a zero sum game? If Lidl's have grown then its because Morrisons (or someone else has shrunk) so those jobs haven't just magically appeared out of nowhere.

Internal UK supermarket industry is either finite or growing (due to population growth), so surely the EU Ref result would have made no short term difference whatever the result. But presumably whoever won was always going to claim this Lidl expansion as theirs
this is pretty much it. if lidl expands then business is more likely to be taken from other competing stores, and as lidl generally supplies cheaper goods then there are a number of effects that result, as i explained before

some people just don't seem to understand it though
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:25
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There is a guarantee.
wrong

there absolutely is no guarantee whatsoever




We had a vote. You lost.
wrong again




We're going.
not necesarily, no




The government wouldn't dare keep us in.
governments do do "dares"



There would be riots if they tried that.
prove it? that's simply opinion. you must have a low opinion of brexiters if you think they would start rioting



Just stop remoaning and grow up.
if anyone needs to grow up it's you. using terms like "dare" and "remoaning". how old are you? 13?
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:26
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Would you like to hear Mrs May say it again, 'we are leaving the EU'


http://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddrin...les/vi-AAlBDAP
that's one persons quote

if i saw "we are not leaving the EU" would you take that as gospel?

there is no guarantee. that's a simple and basic fact
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:28
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How pompous. At least I can tell you type out of your arse now.
And still no explanation for what your expertise in this area is. Tinned WUM from the BOGOF section, I think.
with comments such as above, you obviously don't understand the meaning of irony unless you are posting here simply to wind folk up
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:30
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Lidl is showing great faith in Britain after Brexit. It knows that, in the years AFTER Brexit finally occurs, the ensuing economic disaster will have people shopping there in droves. After all, where else will people be able to afford to shop? Lidl and the pound shop will seem like an extravagance!
this is pretty much it. people in the UK are going to be squeezed financially more and more over the next few years so businesses that target the low end of markets should gain business whilsts others lose business
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:42
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Utter nonsense. And it wasn't just England that voted to leave. You do know that Wales voted to leave on an even larger proportion of their population than England? Are they little Welsh people? People that voted to leave want to trade globally. Unlike the Little Europeans who want us to focus on the world's only declining trading block the EU.
By having trading agreements in place with the rest of the world, unlike post-Brexit Britain.
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:55
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My point is you obviously don't know what the word usually means. As you think food is usually VAT free contradicts almost all food is VAT free.
that's just complete nonsense.

the point is that whils many items in a supermarket are VAT free, as the link and quote i posted demonstrates, there are many items in stores that are not VAT free, and literally millions of pounds of sales from supermarkets is for VATable goods




Fruit &Veg
Aldi, Lidl NFU Fruit & Veg pledge signatories.
Tesco not a signatory of the NFU pledge, when in season carrots, celeriac, onions, parsnips, swede, turnips UK

Eggs, Chicken, Milk, Cream, Butter
Aldi, Lidl, Tesco 100% UK

Cheese
Aldi 100% UK
Lidl ? & UK
Tesco Ireland & UK

Yoghurt
Aldi 67% UK 33% France
Lidl ?
Tesco Germany & UK

Pork
Aldi 100% UK
Lidl 96% UK
Tesco 63% UK

Sausage
Aldi, Lidl 100% UK
Tesco 77% UK

Bacon
Lidl 53% UK,
Aldi 44% UK
Tesco 36% UK

Ham
Tesco 62% UK
Aldi 47% UK
Lidl 36% UK

Beef
Aldi, Lidl 100% UK
Tesco Ireland & UK

Lamb
Aldi 100% UK,
Lidl, Tesco UK & New Zealand,

Source NFU
that doesn't prove your point. there are no quantities for a start, only percentages. i presume maths isn't a strong point with you?



If you think the UK is not going to leave the EU and that it is not going to enable changes in UK tax law the UK government has repeatedly attempted, then you are living in denial.
so you finally accept the fact that there is no guarantee the UK will leave the EU and you know the UK is currently in the EU?



I already provide figures in a earlier post. And told you what they pay their workers is available online. Since you are unable to look at an earlier post in this thread and unable to manage using Google here are some figures.
Hourly pay of store assistants.
Lidl £8.45
Tesco £7.39 (£7.24 new employee)
again this does not prove your point. your main problem is over generalising. there will be many staff at both companies getting paid completely different rates to all of those figures. you really don't have a clue about facts and figures do you?

the simple fact of the matter is you won't be able to prove such a nonsense claim



No I don't disagree that other supermarkets like Tesco losing customers to Lidl are likely to cut back on staff. But, its not bad for the UK as Lidl pays its workers more, sources more of its food from UK farms and sells food cheaper than Tesco.
that may be what you think, but you've not been able to prove this. overall, i would imagine tesco pays more to HMRC than lidle, and buys more food from the UK than lidl. there are considerably more tesco stores than lidl for a start, so any idea that lidl sources more food from the uk than tesco is obviously ill thought out



Shopping comparison sites will show you Lidl is cheaper than Tesco, for example mysupermarket.co.uk
Lidl and Tesco both give their pay rates so you can see Lidl pays their workers higher wages.
Seriously are you incapable of using Google?
i was going to ask you the same question as you miss out the most obvious things

apart from the low/starting rates, you have no idea how much the rest of the staff get paid do you?



retail-week.com
so as you haven't proved it, i presume you can't?



More £s worth of sales per member of staff in retail equates to more productivity per member of staff.
so you can't prove this either?

the number of things you can't prove is adding up



You think its a matter of opinion that getting paid more is good for workers!
I guess you ask your employer to pay you less.
of course it is. you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. more pay can result in less benefits, or require more work or responsibilities, or differnt working conditions. some people would prefer better conditions of work than better pay. some people would prefer a cushy NMW job than being paid a little bit more but having to work much harder, or travel further to get there etc etc etc



You think its not necessarily true that lower prices are good for consumers!
I guess when you go shopping you ask the checkout to charge you more.
i look at the bigger picture. something you obviously don't do. i've seen retail stores come along in the past and undercut competitors by selling items vastly cheaper in order to take market share, and the competitors go out of business as they can't compete, then the undercutter goes out of business cuz of market change and they can't keep up in undercutting, so they go bust too. and ultimately a load of people lose jobs and a large amount of extra people need to claim benefits

so the customers may save a few pennies or pounds, but it can be offset by loss of income to HMRC and more benefits paid out, higher inflation, etc etc etc. or the loss of their own jobs



That higher pay reduces eligibility to in work benefits is a fact.
That higher pay can increase the amount of income tax and national insurance paid is also a fact.
I guess you have never claimed means tested benefits and have never worked.
you post as if you have one hand over one eye and can only see half the world, and only see half the story whilst complely ignoring the rest. see my last comment above for the reasons why you are wrong



Obviously Lidl disagree as they are expanding.
not necesarily, no. as i said before, it remains to be seen in the long run if it's good or not. i remember fopp for example, expanding and then going bust as a result. expanding has potential risks as well as potential benefits



How is Lidl expanding bad news?
if you worked for a competitor and lost your job because lidl took away business from your store. would you consider it anything other than bad news? i'm sure you would as you clearly have an unusual view on the world

shareholders and owners of businesses that will lose trade due to lidl opening near them will probably consider it bad news too. and before you say, not everyone who loses a job will be able to go get another one in lidl, nor want to
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:59
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i had more than a fleeting glance. go look yourself. cheap 99p and £2 frozen pizzas aren't going to be anything other than low quality
Does that also apply to the cheap Pizza in Tesco etc? atm they have quite a few at £2 or less and one for 50p.

this is pretty much it. if lidl expands then business is more likely to be taken from other competing stores, and as lidl generally supplies cheaper goods then there are a number of effects that result, as i explained before

some people just don't seem to understand it though
So no different to Tesco, Sainsbury's, Asda etc then as I posted before about Tesco opening a Tesco Express here and most of the local businesses that have been here generations closing down as a result - we used to have a Spar, a Co-Op, 2 green grocers, a butchers, a bakery but all gone now.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:20
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I voted remain primarily because of the economic arguments But off the top of my head I can remember Apple, Google, Nissan ,GlaxoSmithKline, Hinckley C power station, City Airport London, Heathrow and now Lidl supermarkets have all announced massive investment and substantial financial commitment to the UK.
We were told that just voting to leave the EU - never mind Brexit itself- investment would dry up because of the "uncertainty" a leave vote would create.
I was taken in by project fear, I wouldn't be again.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:26
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that's one persons quote

if i saw "we are not leaving the EU" would you take that as gospel?

there is no guarantee. that's a simple and basic fact
Where have you seen 'We are not leaving the EU'?, and unless that statement comes from someone with the authority to say it then it isn't true.

We are and will be leaving the EU, you are wrong
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:02
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i had more than a fleeting glance. go look yourself. cheap 99p and £2 frozen pizzas aren't going to be anything other than low quality
No you didn't have more than a fleeting glance. If you did, you'd know there's more to Lidl than 99p pizzas.
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