Black flags in London. Second pro caliphate demonstration this week.

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Mark_Jones9

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Palafrugel:
“So this group is not in solidarity with the rebels in Syria? Must be talking about a different demonstration then. Which one were you referring to?”

The march's Facebook page reads
"Join us to protest against the large-scale bombardments and targeting of civilians in Aleppo.

There is a Holocaust ongoing and we urgently need the international community to take action to save lives.”

The marchers chanted "drop aid not bombs" carried signs reading "protect civilians", "stop killing children".

Oh, and the UK government has expressed its support for the rebels in Syria.

Blairdennon

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Mr Moritz:
“The problem with them is as vile as they are, they haven't been linked indirectly to the murder of a British MP.”

Islam is linked directly to the killing of many British citizens.

Blairdennon

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Mark_Jones9:
“Christ's teachings are a continuation of the teachings of God in the Old Testament and books in the New Testament set out how Christian society should be organized to be in accordance with the teachings of Christ.

The Bible according to some Christians is the word of God.

The Quran to the casual reader has lots of contradictory verses but claims to have none, for with deep understanding the verses apparently are all in accordance with each other and not contradictory at all. Even so the result is Muslims are often reliant on religious scholars to interpret what on earth the Quran teachings mean, and Muslims are free to choose which scholars interpretations they agree with, unless they live in a theocracy where there is only one true interpretation as defined by a particular scholar or group of scholars. There are also lots of documents in addition to the Quran that contain accounts of the actions and words of the Prophet and lots of different commentaries on how to apply what the Prophet said and did, what the Prophet meant. With different Muslim groups picking and choose which additional documents and which interpretations are reliable and which are not. Islam is not a religion unified by the teachings of the Quran its a religion with lots of different factions with different interpretations. This lack of a unity includes what should be done towards polytheists, Idolators and atheists with interpretations ranging from peaceful coexistence to killing them.”

Well some Christians believing the bible is the word of God is a bit different to all Muslims stating that the Quran is the literal word of God and as a book is perfect.

Blairdennon

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Mark_Jones9:
“Then you would ban the Bible as well.”

If it incites religious hatred then it would be illegal to publish and distribute it. I am not sure the Old Testament is considered anything other than a history, albeit for many a religious history. The Qu'ran is eternal.

Mr Moritz

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“Islam is linked directly to the killing of many British citizens.”

You need to make up your mind are you concerned with the Hizb mob or Islam ?

Blairdennon

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Mr Moritz:
“You need to make up your mind are you concerned with the Hizb mob or Islam ?”

The Hizb mob state clearly their ideology is Islam.
A man shouting Britain first during a murder of a British MP is inspired by RW literature and activists. That logic indicates that a man shouting Allahu Ahkbar as he kills British Citizens or indeed any citizens throughout the world is inspired by Islam. The point as ever is that they state their methods are peaceful but their ideology and their final aim is by no means peaceful either in attainment or in maintenance according directly to their own stated ideology.

andykn

20-12-2016

Originally Posted by Palafrugel:
“So this group is not in solidarity with the rebels in Syria? Must be talking about a different demonstration then. Which one were you referring to?”

Er, you're in solidarity with the rebels in Syria, your govt voted to support them with air strikes a while ago. I don't know if Hizb-ut-Tahrir are or not.

Union Jock

20-12-2016

Originally Posted by Mark_Jones9:
“The IRA had pacts with, travelled to and cooperated with training, resources and in terrorist attacks with ETA in Spain, the PLO in Beirut, FARC in Columbia, etc. And also had links to foreign regimes like Libya. IRA terrorists were part of a global network of terrorists.”

News to me that IRA members were committing terrorist attacks in those countries mentioned? and the only links I recall were for the purpose of obtaining arms.

Mr Moritz

20-12-2016

Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“The Hizb mob state clearly their ideology is Islam.
A man shouting Britain first during a murder of a British MP is inspired by RW literature and activists. That logic indicates that a man shouting Allahu Ahkbar as he kills British Citizens or indeed any citizens throughout the world is inspired by Islam. The point as ever is that they state their methods are peaceful but their ideology and their final aim is by no means peaceful either in attainment or in maintenance according directly to their own stated ideology.”

The Hizb mob can state whatever they like, it's their interpretation modified to suit their own aims which to date has broken no laws and I'm pretty sure those dysfunctional runts are constantly on the security services radar.

If there was universal agreement and co-operation within Islam, you'd have a justifiable point regarding attainment and maintenance, as it stands there isn't, the moderate secular Muslims are being increasingly targetted and in many cases murdered.
Does this not concern you?

An individual shouting AA belongs to a religion with circa 1.6 billion individuals, which isn't the Borg collective, he/she/it carrying out an atrocity against British Citizens, isn't sanctioned or celebrated on social media by Islam per se, compare that with the Jo Cox situation and how the so called activists reacted.

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