Because the UK decided by referendum in 1975 to have special rules for members of other EEC countries.

The UK already gives special dispensation (not decided by referendum AFAIK) for citizens of the Irish Republic, for Commonwealth citizens (of 53 countries), and various other British Overseas Territories.

That may not quite stretch as far as complete freedom of movement for Commonwealth citizens for example, but those resident here, even temporarily,were allowed to to vote in the 2016 referendum, which is quite a big deal. EU citizens settled and resident here were not.

If a job is not cost effective without a taxpayer subsidy, is it a real job?
What I'm saying is if migrants come to this country having never paid in to the system and although working, drain the taxpayer, do we need them?
We have enough home grown citizens doing that already.

For example, do we need all these extra car cleaners, big issue sellers (which opens the door to housing benefit claims) and taxi drivers?

Are people using the services?

I get what you are saying but if you are going to judge someone on 'how much they have paid into the system' you come be in for an interesting discussion.

Family sizes have reduced since child related benefits were implemented. Reducing those benefits will not necessarily have the effect that you claim it will. In fact, statistically, reducing child related benefits will have the opposite effect of increasing family sizes.

I'm sick to the back teeth of uncontrolled immigration.

The EU does not allow for discriminating against none citizens. Any benefits available for british citizens must be available for EU migrants

And interestingly, it's a policy which we don't actually have.

If that were true in the way you imply, why does the Cyprus government require EU citizens to apply for an Alien Residency Certificate?http://www.eurescyprus.eu/registrati...tificates.html

During that application you will be required to prove employment or self funding sufficient to not rely upon the state. That "proof" can include adequate private medical insurance.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/crmd/crmd....B?OpenDocument

So there are in fact requirements placed on EU citizens when enjoying FoM elsewhere than the UK.

Well if literally no one is in favour of uncontrolled immigration that means that literally no one should be in favour of staying in the single market.

No, that just means you don't understand free movement within the EU.

So are the Countries who are losing their best people.

Unfettered immigration has to be stopped. Otherwise the country will become like Brazil with a wealthy upper class living in walled enclaves, whereas the bulk of the populace live in favelas (slums).

You mean like the good old days before we joined the EEC/EU.

I'm talking about full control. Why would you not want full control.

I want what is best for our country. I'm not interested in faux sovereignty.

We most certainly do - wrt so called EU citizens at least.

Quality will always be better than quantity
Don't you agree ?

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...t-an-overview/

Although foreign-born workers have been and remain employed in a wide range of jobs, the growth in employment shares of foreign-born workers in recent years has been fastest among lower-skilled occupations and sectors. In 2002, there was only one low-skilled occupation (food preparation trades) in the list of top ten occupations with the highest shares of foreign-born workers. As shown in Table 1, there are now at least five low-skilled occupations on this list (i.e. elementary process plant, process operatives, cleaning and housekeeping managers, elementary cleaning, food preparation and hospitality).


http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...eu-membership/

EU migrants are less likely to claim out-of-work benefits but more likely to claim in-work benefits like tax credits, compared to the UK born.

Available data suggest that roughly 10-20% of recently arrived EU adults were receiving tax credits in early 2014.

The government’s November 2015 estimate of ‘about 40%’ of recently arrived EEA migrants supported by benefits is higher than other available estimates for various reasons, including the fact that it counts children as benefits recipients.

More than half of EEA born adults who reported receiving tax credits in 2015 were working full time, and around 90% had dependent children (despite less than half of EEA born adults overall having children).

Yes, I would much rather our government focused on creating highl quality and highly skilled jobs, along with providing high quality education so that people can fill those jobs.

However, I've no idea what that has to do with the EU or immigration so not sure what your point is.

So how does the government plan utilities, services, inferstucture ?

By looking at what industry they are bringing to an area and planning all infrastructure around that.

It isn't a great surprise that if you build a new industrial capability, or regenerate an area, or offer incentives for business, that you require homes, services, utilities, schools, etc, etc.

Our governments have shown they couldn't plan a piss up in a brewery, immigration is the least of our worries...but as long as the politicians can dupe the public into blaming the EU or immigrants they are laughing.

Housing in the UK has been bad since Charles Dickens era and has continued to be so because our democratically sovereign parliament has failed to build enough homes, there were slums in the 1930's, 1950's....council estates were created but 30 years later they were being demolished for being badly planned. So you have 200 new homes announced but 199 homes had been demolished.

When has the NHS not been in crisis, since the 1960's it has depended on foreign nationals to fill vacancies with people from the Colonies promised a good life in their mother country. to find they were discriminated against because of their colour. They were then treated like chattel to be sent back from whence they came, recall "if they're black send them back" ?

Education the problems have been of our own making, how many education Ministers have there been and who have wanted to leave their mark by urinating over the education system.

Instead of blaming others, it's the UK that is blame for the systems it has implemented and 17.5 want to supposedly 'take back control' and hand it to the very people who have screwed up the UK.

The current government has changed the formula for funding schools and guess what schools in Tory areas look to benefit the most, on the railways we have a transport minister taking decisions to benefit his party rather than in the interest of the public.

I don't remember it being like that Were you around then?

Yes I was around.

What don't you remember it being like?

Brazil.