How about having a workable immigration system.
Two questions for those in favour of uncontrolled immigration
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Originally Posted by Irritable Owl:
“Currently, non-EU immigrants have to earn a certain level of income and I think there are other qualifying criteria.”
“Currently, non-EU immigrants have to earn a certain level of income and I think there are other qualifying criteria.”
The threshold seems to be about £35K. So we let in people who will cost us £40K, but keep out those will would only cost us £20K. OK, I'm sure there's sound logic behind that...
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“ What happens to them after they drop below the threshold? The same should happen to all. Unless you saying that there should be one rule for EU immigrants and a different rule for non-EU?”
“ What happens to them after they drop below the threshold? The same should happen to all. Unless you saying that there should be one rule for EU immigrants and a different rule for non-EU?”
So somebody lives and works here for several decades. They then retire, their income falls below £35K, and they are booted out? While the rest of their family stay.
I've been here since 1960. My income is nowhere near £35K. Should I be kicked out too? Presumably that goes for anyone from any country who arrived here at any period since WWII: they earn less than £35K, they have to be deported, no matter how many decades they've been settled?
Or does this only apply to new immigrants, but who will nevertheless reach a point where they have been settled for decades. Such a pleasant future to look forward to!
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“It seems an extraordinary price to pay : perhaps lose access to the Single Market and / or the Customs Union just so you can control immigration numbers. Most developed countries around the world would have immigration way down the list of priorities in terms of problems facing them, even the ones with strong net migration.”
“It seems an extraordinary price to pay : perhaps lose access to the Single Market and / or the Customs Union just so you can control immigration numbers. Most developed countries around the world would have immigration way down the list of priorities in terms of problems facing them, even the ones with strong net migration.”
Well, many people see immigration as a millstone round this country's neck and they want it controlled. Immigration IS a big issue for the UK because immigrants want to come here in huge numbers and the public doesn't like it.
We will have "access to" the single market, but the EU has rules so we won't be full members of it unless they do a U-turn.
We will be embarking on a negotiated future trade deal with the EU and, as everyone knows, it is in both side's interest for that to continue with as few hindrances or tariffs as possible.
In the end, it will come down to a mish-mash of low and varied tariffs where the EU can save face by not admitting us to the single market, and we can say that the low tariffs are good for future trade.
And, we'll also be out of the customs union which will then permit us to make trade deals with the rest of the world.
It'll take time, but the future is bright.
Originally Posted by bart4858:
“The threshold seems to be about £35K. So we let in people who will cost us £40K, but keep out those will would only cost us £20K. OK, I'm sure there's sound logic behind that...
So somebody lives and works here for several decades. They then retire, their income falls below £35K, and they are booted out? While the rest of their family stay.
I've been here since 1960. My income is nowhere near £35K. Should I be kicked out too? Presumably that goes for anyone from any country who arrived here at any period since WWII: they earn less than £35K, they have to be deported, no matter how many decades they've been settled?
Or does this only apply to new immigrants, but who will nevertheless reach a point where they have been settled for decades. Such a pleasant future to look forward to!”
“The threshold seems to be about £35K. So we let in people who will cost us £40K, but keep out those will would only cost us £20K. OK, I'm sure there's sound logic behind that...
So somebody lives and works here for several decades. They then retire, their income falls below £35K, and they are booted out? While the rest of their family stay.
I've been here since 1960. My income is nowhere near £35K. Should I be kicked out too? Presumably that goes for anyone from any country who arrived here at any period since WWII: they earn less than £35K, they have to be deported, no matter how many decades they've been settled?
Or does this only apply to new immigrants, but who will nevertheless reach a point where they have been settled for decades. Such a pleasant future to look forward to!”
It all seems to be explained here - https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...ns-australians
- but the rules can be tweaked at any time.
Originally Posted by Irritable Owl:
“Well, many people see immigration as a millstone round this country's neck and they want it controlled. Immigration IS a big issue for the UK because immigrants want to come here in huge numbers and the public doesn't like it.
We will have "access to" the single market, but the EU has rules so we won't be full members of it unless they do a U-turn.
We will be embarking on a negotiated future trade deal with the EU and, as everyone knows, it is in both side's interest for that to continue with as few hindrances or tariffs as possible.
In the end, it will come down to a mish-mash of low and varied tariffs where the EU can save face by not admitting us to the single market, and we can say that the low tariffs are good for future trade.
And, we'll also be out of the customs union which will then permit us to make trade deals with the rest of the world.
It'll take time, but the future is bright.”
“Well, many people see immigration as a millstone round this country's neck and they want it controlled. Immigration IS a big issue for the UK because immigrants want to come here in huge numbers and the public doesn't like it.
We will have "access to" the single market, but the EU has rules so we won't be full members of it unless they do a U-turn.
We will be embarking on a negotiated future trade deal with the EU and, as everyone knows, it is in both side's interest for that to continue with as few hindrances or tariffs as possible.
In the end, it will come down to a mish-mash of low and varied tariffs where the EU can save face by not admitting us to the single market, and we can say that the low tariffs are good for future trade.
And, we'll also be out of the customs union which will then permit us to make trade deals with the rest of the world.
It'll take time, but the future is bright.”
I would agree that immigration is seen as possibly the No.1 issue facing the UK today but perhaps even quitting the Single Market over it does suggest an element of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut : leaving the Single Market would be a most drastic step by any stretch of the imagination.
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I would agree that immigration is seen as possibly the No.1 issue facing the UK today but perhaps even quitting the Single Market over it does suggest an element of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut : leaving the Single Market would be a most drastic step by any stretch of the imagination.”
“I would agree that immigration is seen as possibly the No.1 issue facing the UK today but perhaps even quitting the Single Market over it does suggest an element of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut : leaving the Single Market would be a most drastic step by any stretch of the imagination.”
Well, that's the difference between opinions.
Some remainers, like you, see leaving membership of the single market as a "drastic step".
Leavers see it as a necessary step on freeing ourselves from the 4 freedoms but they console themselves in the belief that Brexit can be a golden opportunity, once the short term pain has passed.
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