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Socially isolated voters more likely to favour Brexit, finds thinktank
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LostFool
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“What is it with this current obsession of trying to identify voters into groups after a result?
Does it coincide with the current obsession with identity politics itself?
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Psephology and electoral demographics has been an active area of study for decades.

It helps inform debate if we understand why people voted the way they did.
Dacco
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by thms:
“Socially isolated voters in Scotland voted remain.. In fact every region in Scotland voted remain”

Well, 1.6 million voted remain, 1 million voted leave.
blueblade
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
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Socially isolated voters more likely to favour Brexit, finds thinktank

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...inds-thinktank

Interesting but not a huge surprise.”

So what?
MargMck
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lyricalis:
“It's merely a classification, you're the one reading all this negative stuff into it. Surely being socially isolated is only negative if you don't want to be socially isolated? People living in a village in the middle of nowhere and hardly leaving it might have actually chosen to do so.

It only becomes a bit of a problem for the rest of us when they're involved in making decisions which have an impact on people outside their little bubble.”

Everyone is in several bubbles of some sort, at the same time, including you.
When you personally are involved in making a decision this impacts on people outside of your own bubbles.
The problem is a simple one: struggling to come to terms with the idea that other people are entitled to vote differently and that their votes carry the same weight as your own.
Recognising that in a gathering of millions you are statistically insignificantly outside of your personal 'Big I Am' bubbles can be tough.
Irritable Owl
19-12-2016
Here we have yet another barrel-scraping thread from The Engineer who posts these feeble comments and disappears leaving everyone else to bite on them.
He must be chuckling away.
TheEngineer
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Irritable Owl:
“Here we have yet another barrel-scraping thread from The Engineer who posts these feeble comments and disappears leaving everyone else to bite on them.
He must be chuckling away.”

I would be if the issues were not so serious.
BrokenArrow
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lyricalis:
“The quote doesn't mention happiness at all, so the OP isn't making the claim you say they are. More examples of a Brexiter only seeing what they want to see.

My own experience tends to agree with the findings in the study. People who live in a bubble tend to have a distorted view of what's outside it.”

You seem to be lacking experience.
Lyricalis
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by BrokenArrow:
“You seem to be lacking experience.”

And you seem to be lacking a point.
Lyricalis
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“Everyone is in several bubbles of some sort, at the same time, including you.
When you personally are involved in making a decision this impacts on people outside of your own bubbles.
The problem is a simple one: struggling to come to terms with the idea that other people are entitled to vote differently and that their votes carry the same weight as your own.
Recognising that in a gathering of millions you are statistically insignificantly outside of your personal 'Big I Am' bubbles can be tough.”

People can vote however they like. It would be nice if they considered the impact of their votes on others a bit more though.
Beanybun
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lyricalis:
“People can vote however they like. It would be nice if they considered the impact of their votes on others a bit more though.”

Quite; one of the driving forces behind the vote appears to have been a desire to punish those living in perceived "bubbles", be they London bubbles, elitist bubbles, intellectual expert bubbles or whatever.

Not quite sure what they were being punished for, save for Living in London, being successful or vaguely clever.

There appears, also, to have been a CT element to all of this; i.e. they're not really successful or clever but just a bunch of Islington glitterati, who are somehow forcing everyone else to remain in their grubby little bumpkin bubbles.

There's an interesting American Republican (seemingly neo-con) bloke who writes a column in City AM ("John Hullsman?) who seems obsessed with this idea, and claims to have predicted it all. Who thinks we have to address this perception or else Western society will fall and we'll all be eating with chopsticks, in 30 years.

Problem is, its all a perception. None of it is real. There is no conspiracy to keep the common man down. Just a bunch of dopey common men who, for whatever reason, don't want to get up!

Strange times indeed...
MargMck
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lyricalis:
“People can vote however they like. It would be nice if they considered the impact of their votes on others a bit more though.”

Do you realise this goes for everyone? Including you?
allaorta
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“Not quite sure what they were being punished for, save for Living in London, being successful or vaguely clever.

There appears, also, to have been a CT element to all of this; i.e. they're not really successful or clever but just a bunch of Islington glitterati, who are somehow forcing everyone else to remain in their grubby little bumpkin bubbles.Quite; one of the driving forces behind the vote appears to have been a desire to punish those living in perceived "bubbles", be they London bubbles, elitist bubbles, intellectual expert bubbles or whatever.


There's an interesting American Republican (seemingly neo-con) bloke who writes a column in City AM ("John Hullsman?) who seems obsessed with this idea, and claims to have predicted it all. Who thinks we have to address this perception or else Western society will fall and we'll all be eating with chopsticks, in 30 years.

Problem is, its all a perception. None of it is real. There is no conspiracy to keep the common man down. Just a bunch of dopey common men who, for whatever reason, don't want to get up!

Strange times indeed...”

Perhaps you should be hailed as a martyr.....after you've realised how many Londoners voted to leave.
TeeGee
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lyricalis:
“People can vote however they like. It would be nice if they considered the impact of their votes on others a bit more though.”

It seems to me that they can only vote the way they like if they vote the same way as you do. I believe they have an excellent voting system in North Korea.
MargMck
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“Perhaps you should be hailed as a martyr.....after you've realised how many Londoners voted to leave.”

Good call. There are a lot of false perceptions around these "bubbles" that deserve to be pricked.
For instance, more than 2.5m people in London and Scotland voted Leave. They deserve some credit for tipping the balance, I think.
allaorta
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“Good call. There are a lot of false perspectives around these "bubbles" that deserve to be pricked.
For instance, more than 2.5m people in London and Scotland voted Leave. They deserve some credit for tipping the balance, I think.”

Yeah but I'm sure you'll be reminded they'll be the lower classes and not two-bit lawyers and pox doctors' clerks.
trevgo
19-12-2016
Ho ho ho!

How the truth hurts!

Social isolation is not the only trait of Brexiters. I can spot em a kilometre off.
MargMck
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“Ho ho ho!

How the truth hurts!

Social isolation is not the only trait of Brexiters. I can spot em a kilometre off.”

Yes, yes, we know, Remainers have all kinds of special powers that make them superior.
Let's hear the rest of the traits that allow you to spot us without your binoculars.
allaorta
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“Ho ho ho!

How the truth hurts!

Social isolation is not the only trait of Brexiters. I can spot em a kilometre off.”

lolololol....it's not the truth and it doesn't hurt.
Beanybun
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“Perhaps you should be hailed as a martyr.....after you've realised how many Londoners voted to leave.”

Well, there's about 865,000 pensioners in London.

If you add the Swivel eyed right wing loons plus the mentally ill, that'll explain it.

allaorta
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“Well, there's about 865,000 pensioners in London.

If you add the Swivel eyed right wing loons plus the mentally ill, that'll explain it.

”

Well yes, those pensioners represent around 10% of the population but hardly 40% of voters, even if you add in the right-wing loons and the mentally ill. And I'd love to win the bet that all 865,000 pensioners didn't vote to leave. Another lost case.
MargMck
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“Well, there's about 865,000 pensioners in London.

If you add the Swivel eyed right wing loons plus the mentally ill, that'll explain it.

”

Isn't it lovely (at least until the DS upgrade is complete) that by simply adding we can mask some of the sneering that is redolent of a very unpleasant attitude towards those we consider beneath ourselves, such as people with mental health issues?
Beanybun
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“Isn't it lovely (at least until the DS upgrade is complete) that by simply adding we can mask some of the sneering that is redolent of a very unpleasant attitude towards those we consider beneath ourselves, such as people with mental health issues?”

I also find Brexiters a rather dour, humourless bunch...

Go on, give us a

But seriously, I call it as I see it. I can understand the right wing (hard and soft) voting for Brexit, plus the Corbinistas, of course. I just can't bend my noggin around your average working class joe doing so. That's not sneering, just a genuine sense of wonderment that someone would willingly and as others have put it here, blow off their own foot then crow about how great their prosthetic is.
MargMck
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“I also find Brexiters a rather dour, humourless bunch...

Go on, give us a

But seriously, I call it as I see it. I can understand the right wing (hard and soft) voting for Brexit, plus the Corbinistas, of course. I just can't bend my noggin around your average working class joe doing so. That's not sneering, just a genuine sense of wonderment that someone would willingly and as others have put it here, blow off their own foot then crow about how great their prosthetic is. ”

If you're looking for a laugh I'd seek out some of the 'toys out of prams' rant posts on here. They always send me into fits of giggles. And then, of course, recent history gives us the "I call it for Remain" threads, or pompous appeals before the result was revealed for Leave voters to accept the result "with good grace".
So those I recommend. Far funnier than finger-pointing at people with mental health issues and deciding they must have all voted Leave.
Most of my family are 'average working class Joes' from shop and airport workers to small business owners living on the outskirts of or just outside London. And by far the majority, of all ages and cultural heritages, voted to Leave. Perhaps if you had their experiences you would have done the same. Perhaps if they had your experiences they'd have felt differently - it's as simple as that.
Granny McSmith
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
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But seriously, I call it as I see it. I can understand the right wing (hard and soft) voting for Brexit, plus the Corbinistas, of course. I just can't bend my noggin around your average working class joe doing so. That's not sneering, just a genuine sense of wonderment that someone would willingly and as others have put it here, blow off their own foot then crow about how great their prosthetic is. ”

Perhaps you should talk to some. But it means going out, so maybe not....

It hardly matters, anyway; the vote is cast, the end is nigh, the anchor is weighed. it strikes me that constantly re-running the referendum and the reasons for the result is an exercise in futility. far better to just accept that others see things differently and try to get on with making the best of things. (Granny's homily for the day).
Granny McSmith
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“ If you're looking for a laugh I'd seek out some of the 'toys out of prams' rant posts on here. They always send me into fits of giggles. And then, of course, recent history gives us the "I call it for Remain" threads, or pompous appeals before the result was revealed for Leave voters to accept the result "with good grace".
So those I recommend. Far funnier than finger-pointing at people with mental health issues and deciding they must have all voted Leave.
Most of my family are 'average working class Joes' from shop and airport workers to small business owners living on the outskirts of or just outside London. And by far the majority, of all ages and cultural heritages, voted to Leave. Perhaps if you had their experiences you would have done the same. Perhaps if they had your experiences they'd have felt differently - it's as simple as that.”

I know. Oleo Strut, Aurichie, Ash - they're comedy gold.
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