As I said in my other post it can be useful if used for that. But my point is that nowadays it seems that this information is used more to pigeonhole people from a certain voting demographic into a group which is seen as the bad people.
It tends to not be information which is used academically by many, but as means to identify who the 'bad' people are and reinforce their own confirmation bias.
I haven't seen this happen before a year or so ago.

In this particular instance of 'My vote is more worthy than yours' I don't think it informs debate, I think it reduces it to something toxic and divisive.

Oh, it's happening for sure.

And nobody's vote is worth more than anyone else.

But I remain horribly fascinated by the recent lurch to the right (and that's what it is, however people twist it - forget Farrage, you only need to look at how it's handed faux credibility to mugs like IDS, Fox and Redwood to see that.

I guess politics is the gift that just keeps giving.

How can we top the inanity of Iraq? Brexit! Yay...

I find the desire on the part if Brexiters to shut everyone else up and move on a bit rich, mind, given they spent decades arguing to pull us out of Europe. Now they have, they haven't a clue what to do or how to go about doing it.

The next year or three will be fascinating, car crash stuff.

Plus, we've got Trump and his bandwagon of post fact loons to look forward to.

Time to hit the Christmas Booze...

Two words Bull & Shit,

Eastenders viewers more likely to have voted for Brexit.

Trouserwearing Scotsmen more likely to have voted against Brexit.

See the pattern emerging, biased and ridiculously unsubstantiated

The difference is that you've just made that up.

You mean like £350m a week for the NHS? That sort of made up

£350 million for the NHS?? here we go again - NO ONE PROMISED £350 MILLION FOR THE NHS.

Beany claims to be a big-time lawyer. I'm wondering if he's the guy outside the Courts of Justice, sitting on a flattened cardboard box with a dog laying beside him.

Hang on, I thought Corbyn was leading a massive charge to the left with his HUGE mandate?

http://news.images.itv.com/image/fil...stream_img.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sNRc88JPG...Blie%2Bfox.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmO_615WIAA4KRR.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci-S6DBWUAACdSI.jpg

If I said to my wife "we spent £500 on Christmas presents last year, let's not do it this year and go on holiday instead" and then in the New Year said that actually we don't have £500 to spend on a holiday I would be in the doghouse and I don't think that "oh that wasn't a promise" would get me very far.

Don't you just love those links. Are you fascinated by how they change from Black to blue in the post?

+/- political theme crossover relating to people called Donald

It's blindingly obvious.

Obviously, age is a giveaway. The older, the more likely. The "professorial" elderly types, those with cultured interests, living in period houses with in tact features, friends in continental Europe are quite likely to be remainers. The usual grouchy types who never shut up about how the country's gone to the dogs, yet enjoying more protection against austerity than any other group of welfare dependents, are almost certainly going to be Brexiters.

Coming down the generations, the basic rule of thumb is that the more common they are, the more likely. Basildon is full of ill educated people of coarse demeanour, and wall-to-wall Brexiters. Heart and Classic FM will have a high Brexit proportion to their audience, Radio 3 and 6 Music will not.

There are other niches, like the country landowner types and traditional Rees-Mogg style toffs, and the Corbynista apparatchiks.

It may be stereotyping, but stereotypes exist. It's simply how it is. All the analysis backs it up, as do the places who voted out against those who voted in. You only have to visit them and look around.

Don't you just love people who pretend lies never happened?

That treat everyone else as gullible as they are?

Oh you are, you are. Following on from yesterday's theme, I'm old but have the mind of a ten year old, which makes me a good bit older than you. When our EU lease is up I'll hold a party.....wanna come, meet som bright Lincolnshire people?

Despite which, we're still leaving

"Lets" is not a promise, "lets" is you inviting a discussion as what you do with that money - So did you?

People do love their labels don't they.

Leave voters have a long list of labels applied to them, racist, xenophobic, little Englanders, thick, common, old.

The latest theory is Russian hacking.

The academics and their think tanks are incapable of understanding any opinions that are different to their own, they sit in their safe spaces convinced that theirs is the only opinion that matter, and apply derogatory labels to anyone who dares to disagree with them. They are victims of their own arrogance.

Yep i'm waiting to find that brexiters are officially all kiddy fiddlers and also been known for slitting throats and having sex with the corpses as that really is where it will end on this discussion.

But if we didn't spend the money on Christmas then my wife would have agreed with me and therefore would be looking forward to spending the £500 on a holiday.

The same as "Let's vote leave and spend the £350m we give the EU each week on the the NHS instead". The leave campaign invited voters to agree with them that we should spend £350m on the NHS. Even though we don't and never did send £350m a week to the EU

So you are basically saying that common people voted to leave and (what shall I call them?) richer, better educated, more refined types voted to stay.

Maybe you are right, but there are two points:-

1) Why is it so odd that people who haven't benefitted from the EU should see through the pro-EU propaganda more easily, whereas people who have done well should wish to preserve the status quo?

2) So what? Everyone's vote is equal, from a Duke to a peasant. It's one of the better things about this country.

What do we send, then?

(I have visions that, 20 years down the line, when the UK is doing just fine outside the EU, some old and doddery folk will still be whining about the bus )

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/


Probably some old Granny

As far as the revolting peasants are concerned, what difference between 350 and 250 are they ever going to see evidence of, except when their lords and masters tell them 'look, there is less over there where you still cannot see it'?


I have these vague memories of history lessons where we were told that the great strides of social and political progress involved the revolting peasants making their opinions known. Started with barons vs king, but that got it moving.

So around £250 million, then. You know, you could have just said that, instead of posting a link. Or did it occur to you that £250m is quite a large sum, too, when seen in black and white, and is in itself a good argument for leaving?

So, let's spend £250 million on the NHS instead of paying for the EU parliament to move around the continent twice a year, which is money totally wasted.

Even that figure is wrong if you read the details.

After the money we get back from the EU for various projects around the UK the figure is around £23m a day or £161m a week.

So less than half the figure claimed by leave.