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Out of hold in both dances no way
pabird
17-12-2016
How on earth can it be allowed that one couple can be allowed two side by side routines?>?? whilst the other two couples dance in hold for at least one dance in hold

Ballroom is an in hold technique


It is wrong and 100pc wrong
Xassy
17-12-2016
It's an entertainment show.
Mystical123
17-12-2016
First of all I have no idea which couple you're talking about as none of them were "side by side".

Second, learn the Strictly rules for American Smooth before you post - it's at least 40% in hold. Ore & Jo were in hold for a lot more than that. And Jive is a dance where a lot of the time you are away from your partner rather than in a closed hold - same for Cha Cha and Samba.

So I really have no clue what you were watching...
pabird
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“
So I really have no clue what you were watching... ”

No surprise there

I am saying a competition series based on ballroom latin should have one of the following included and for the most part in hold

Waltz
Tango
Foxtrot
Quickstep

Yes it is entertainment but should be reasonably equal in challange
Mystical123
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by pabird:
“No surprise there

I am saying a competition series based on ballroom latin should have one of the following included and for the most part in hold

Waltz
Tango
Foxtrot
Quickstep

Yes it is entertainment but should be reasonably equal in challange”

Maybe try re-watching Ore & Joanne's American Smooth then - it was mostly Foxtrot and mostly in hold. Foxtrot is quite possibly the most difficult of the ballroom dances technique-wise.

Also none of the dances you have listed are Latin, so I assume you have a problem with all three finalists given they all danced at least one Latin dance? So on that argument where, exactly, is the unfairness?
pabird
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Maybe try re-watching Ore & Joanne's American Smooth then - it was mostly Foxtrot and mostly in hold. Foxtrot is quite possibly the most difficult of the ballroom dances technique-wise.

Also none of the dances you have listed are Latin, so I assume you have a problem with all three finalists given they all danced at least one Latin dance? So on that argument where, exactly, is the unfairness? ”

Have a look at Kevins first two dances compared to the other finalists
Mrs Checks
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by pabird:
“Have a look at Kevins first two dances compared to the other finalists”

Since when does a Cha Cha Cha, or indeed a showdance, need to be in hold?

Do you only watch the final? All the dances you mention above have been danced by multiple contestants, all mostly in hold, throughout the series.

I'm genuinely baffled by what you're complaining about. Nothing unfair in what you describe.
Mystical123
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by pabird:
“Have a look at Kevins first two dances compared to the other finalists”

The second dance was a showdance - there are no rules.

The Cha Cha was given to them by the judges - it's Latin, the rules of Ballroom hold don't apply.

The Argentine Tango was their favourite dance - they were in the correct hold for Argentine Tango throughout. It differs from Ballroom hold, but what they were doing wasn't wrong.

I still don't understand what you're trying to argue.
pabird
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mrs Checks:
“Since when does a Cha Cha Cha, or indeed a showdance, need to be in hold?

Do you only watch the final? All the dances you mention above have been danced by multiple contestants, all mostly in hold, throughout the series.

I'm genuinely baffled by what you're complaining about. Nothing unfair in what you describe.”

The final is a measure of progress
The contest is based on ballroom and latin
To measure progress then at least one ballroom (in hold)
and one latin

To have two couples compete as above and the other couple to ignore the technique involved in ballroom is ignoring the basic requirements of the contest

Unlessof course there is a suggestion that the other two finalists did not 100pc entertain with their in hold efforts
Mrs Checks
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by pabird:
“The final is a measure of progress
The contest is based on ballroom and latin
To measure progress then at least one ballroom (in hold)
and one latin

To have two couples compete as above and the other couple to ignore the technique involved in ballroom is ignoring the basic requirements of the contest

Unlessof course there is a suggestion that the other two finalists did not 100pc entertain with their in hold efforts”

Have you not watched Strictly before?

The current set up for a final is:

Judges' Choice (could be latin or ballroom)
Showdance (no rules)
Couple's Choice (could be latin or ballroom)

There are no rules about couples having to perform at least one ballroom (in hold) and one latin in the final.

If you had watched the past 12 weeks, you'd know that all the finalists have performed ballroom in hold. Nobody is under obligation to do so in the final.
Mystical123
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by pabird:
“The final is a measure of progress
The contest is based on ballroom and latin
To measure progress then at least one ballroom (in hold)
and one latin

To have two couples compete as above and the other couple to ignore the technique involved in ballroom is ignoring the basic requirements of the contest

Unlessof course there is a suggestion that the other two finalists did not 100pc entertain with their in hold efforts”

I suggest you check the rules of the final. The requirement to do one ballroom and one Latin disappeared around about series 7.

The basic requirements of the contest were therefore not ignored at all.
Ann_Dancer
17-12-2016
I think was disappointing that Kevin and Louise did not dance any ballroom. I would have liked Louise to have reprised their American Smooth which I thought she danced well originally. Last year with Kellie, Kevin did dance ballroom in the final and so I assume this year the choices were not so much Kevin's but came down to Louise's preferences combined with the judges' choice. I actually think they made a bad move in not including any ballroom.

It wasn't against the rules, but it was a shame.
pabird
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“I suggest you check the rules of the final. The requirement to do one ballroom and one Latin disappeared around about series 7.

The basic requirements of the contest were therefore not ignored at all.”

I started in first comment suggesting how the dances for the final were wrong and suggestin how they should be selected

It makes little sense that one in three contestants can avoid the basic needs in proving progress
pabird
17-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I think was disappointing that Kevin and Louise did not dance any ballroom. I would have liked Louise to have reprised their American Smooth which I thought she danced well originally. Last year with Kellie, Kevin did dance ballroom in the final and so I assume this year the choices were not so much Kevin's but came down to Louise's preferences combined with the judges' choice. I actually think they made a bad move in not including any ballroom.

It wasn't against the rules, but it was a shame.”

Agreed 100pc
MrsGraham
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by pabird:
“The final is a measure of progress
The contest is based on ballroom and latin
To measure progress then at least one ballroom (in hold)
and one latin

To have two couples compete as above and the other couple to ignore the technique involved in ballroom is ignoring the basic requirements of the contest

Unlessof course there is a suggestion that the other two finalists did not 100pc entertain with their in hold efforts”

Ah, that's where you're going wrong.

GETTING to the final is a measure of progress/achievement.
The final itself is a measure of the finalists' popularity with the public, based on whatever reasons the public decide it should be. There's no rules for how the public should vote. It may even have nothing whatsoever to do with the dancing...
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