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Old 18-12-2016, 00:36
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I think the public made a good choice of winner. However, it doesn't prove there's no bias against black contestants that affects Strictly voting; it just shows that, if there's a bias, it's not so strong that it outweighs so many other factors that a black contestant can't win.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:40
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This win could be read by the ultra cynical as ultimate damage limitation following the first three eliminations of Melvin, Tameka & Naga...
I think damage limitation started with getting Melvin onto the christmas special
followed by a couple of weeks ago
tonights results just put the cherry on top

next time someone shouts racisim think back to SCD 2016
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:54
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It took 11 years for Strictly to feature a black professional and 12 for a black winner to emerge...still wondering why skin colour is considered important?

Given the UK is only 3% black I would ask why should it have been sooner ? So yes, I am still wondering why it is important. They always have at least 1 black person each year in the show. Oh and for what its worth, Alesha Dixon won way back in 2007. I would assume it is more racist to vote for someone just because of their skin colour, even if that skin colour is black.
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Old 18-12-2016, 01:01
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This win could be read by the ultra cynical as ultimate damage limitation following the first three eliminations of Melvin, Tameka & Naga...
Or maybe they weren't that great at dancing or that engaging as individuals. And Ore was incredible. So glad he won. I'm sure there are some idiots out there who won't vote for somebody based on their ethnicity but I'm glad the majority don't think that way.
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Old 18-12-2016, 03:11
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Ore has been taken in by British hearts.
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Old 18-12-2016, 03:16
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BBC went into overdrive. That's why Ore won. He'd have been out a few weeks ago otherwise. Ironically, Danny could've won and it wouldn't be racist - Oti's from South Africa!

Instead to counter the racism they give the glitterball to a private school kid and a white woman from Grimsby. Yawn.
This^.
Len's farewell gift to his Grimsby buddies. Not even to the best of them.
I hope the new judge will have no ties with local dance clans.
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Old 18-12-2016, 06:48
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I think the public made a good choice of winner. However, it doesn't prove there's no bias against black contestants that affects Strictly voting; it just shows that, if there's a bias, it's not so strong that it outweighs so many other factors that a black contestant can't win.


Ok, I get it. If a black person gets voted off there is a possibility that the public were racially motivated, but if a black person wins you can't say the same? Yep, that makes sense now, thanks.
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Old 18-12-2016, 07:03
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It would have been very interesting to see how the press would have slanted it if Louise and Kevin had one. I bet racism would have been used as the reason here
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Old 18-12-2016, 07:23
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Ok, I get it. If a black person gets voted off there is a possibility that the public were racially motivated, but if a black person wins you can't say the same? Yep, that makes sense now, thanks.
Exactly. After all the racism rubbish at the start of the series as the weeks went on, I was 100% sure that Ore would win. The pc brigade must have had their finger on redial every week. Well done (yeah right!).
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Old 18-12-2016, 07:26
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Oti didn't win...
That's why Louise didn't win, they are still racist
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Old 18-12-2016, 07:28
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It took 11 years for Strictly to feature a black professional and 12 for a black winner to emerge...still wondering why skin colour is considered important?

How many chinese dancers or contestants have been on ? How many Indian dancers or contestants have been on ? Is it only when people are black that the racist card is pulled out ?
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:14
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BBC went into overdrive. That's why Ore won. He'd have been out a few weeks ago otherwise. Ironically, Danny could've won and it wouldn't be racist - Oti's from South Africa!

Instead to counter the racism they give the glitterball to a private school kid and a white woman from Grimsby. Yawn.
Agreed
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:27
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Sadly racism is endemic within every society. I can't think of anywhere in the world where it isn't a problem. The best that we can do is manage it and prevent it from limiting people's lives. It would be great if we could eradicate it altogether.
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Old 18-12-2016, 10:50
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Sadly racism is endemic within every society. I can't think of anywhere in the world where it isn't a problem. The best that we can do is manage it and prevent it from limiting people's lives. It would be great if we could eradicate it altogether.
And also sadly accusations of racism are endemic within every society.
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:13
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And also sadly accusations of racism are endemic within every society.
Because racism exists.

What I would love to leave in 2016 is people somehow thinking that being accused of being racist is on a par with people who are on the receiving end of racism.
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:51
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This win could be read by the ultra cynical as ultimate damage limitation following the first three eliminations of Melvin, Tameka & Naga...
In a tin foil hat wearing world it certainly could. And unfortunately whatever some people might wish to believe we DO live in that world, just look at the American election in November for proof of that. Now obviously Strictly isn't that big a deal in comparison, lol, but could it be fixed, of course it could, easily. So much happens behind the curtain we as the audience never see, the voting stats for one, it would be a piece of cake for the BBC to change outcome as they wished and the people on our tv's like Tess, etc wouldn't even know, they just read the cards and teleprompter they get given.

Why did they push Ore so hard in the semi finals and the final, why did the voting have issues on those two days, why did the judges give amazing scores to mediocre dances of his, why did he and Tess and Claudia constantly barrage us with shots of his mum and dad and him crying about them and why did Len twice tell the public to camera that Ore is the last remaining contestant with no dance experience and look how great he is now, that isn't his job. So yes, it could all have been fixed to stop the racism charges and it doesn't hurt Ore is a BBC employee either. Its all possible.

Did it happen? We will never know and as a final I think this was perhaps the best one Strictly has ever had and I LOVED the way Danny ran over and lifted Ore and hugged him when he was announced the winner. To all those knocking Danny for being all about himself watch that again and again, he is one of the nicest guys out there and has never deserved the hate directed at him.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:04
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I think that kind of ends that theory now right?
It just hadn't crossed my mind until I saw this thread.

Mind you it hadn't crossed my mind about the colour of the first evictees either.

I think its in poor taste and irrelevant to even mention it.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:55
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I read that Ore is the first winner to have two black parents - and out of however many series that seems a bit skewed to me. We are a pretty multi cultural society and there are lots of non white people from the UK so I think it's good when the demographics on strictly reflect that, and hope it encourages people to take up latin and ballroom as a hobby who maybe wouldn't have considered it before.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:56
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In a tin foil hat wearing world it certainly could. And unfortunately whatever some people might wish to believe we DO live in that world, just look at the American election in November for proof of that. Now obviously Strictly isn't that big a deal in comparison, lol, but could it be fixed, of course it could, easily. So much happens behind the curtain we as the audience never see, the voting stats for one, it would be a piece of cake for the BBC to change outcome as they wished and the people on our tv's like Tess, etc wouldn't even know, they just read the cards and teleprompter they get given.

Why did they push Ore so hard in the semi finals and the final, why did the voting have issues on those two days, why did the judges give amazing scores to mediocre dances of his, why did he and Tess and Claudia constantly barrage us with shots of his mum and dad and him crying about them and why did Len twice tell the public to camera that Ore is the last remaining contestant with no dance experience and look how great he is now, that isn't his job. So yes, it could all have been fixed to stop the racism charges and it doesn't hurt Ore is a BBC employee either. Its all possible.

Did it happen? We will never know and as a final I think this was perhaps the best one Strictly has ever had and I LOVED the way Danny ran over and lifted Ore and hugged him when he was announced the winner. To all those knocking Danny for being all about himself watch that again and again, he is one of the nicest guys out there and has never deserved the hate directed at him.
Ignoring the fact that we also saw as many shots of Danny's mother and fiancée, and Louise's husband, father in law and mother in law.

I am sure Ore would have run over and congratulated Danny if he had won but I suppose he would be accused of trying to distract from Danny's win and get some glory himself.

I am sure Danny is a nice person like most of the people taking part but I never warmed to him, perhaps because I had never heard of him, and I was reading through some of his dances last night because they did not grab my attention.
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Old 19-12-2016, 02:42
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Ok, I get it. If a black person gets voted off there is a possibility that the public were racially motivated, but if a black person wins you can't say the same? Yep, that makes sense now, thanks.
How is that supposed to connect to what I said?
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Old 19-12-2016, 12:48
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Lewis Smith, Alesha Dixon? Let's get to stage where we can just vote for the people we like without this being an issue. That's the ultimate end to racism.
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Ore has been taken in by British hearts.
What a thought! Definitely not by my heart!
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Old 19-12-2016, 16:58
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That'll be why they've never shut up about Ore on Breakfast then? Or why Ore has been on ITT more than anyone else recently?

The BBC wanted Ore to win and the judges overmarked him all the way through to trick people into thinking he was better than he was. Ore was in the bottom two twice for a reason - people just didn't like him. Ore should've gone weeks ago, frankly.
Not really he wasn't worse on the night than the two people he was up against although one of them was injured.
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Old 19-12-2016, 17:02
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How many chinese dancers or contestants have been on ? How many Indian dancers or contestants have been on ? Is it only when people are black that the racist card is pulled out ?
I agree no one seemed to up in arms about it when Jimi Mistry got voted off. That said like many people who cry 'PC gone mad' they forget that political correctness is there for a reason i.e some people still suffer the consequence of politcial incorrectness and sometimes it's very insidious. That said it's good that a black guy won the final on merit and that black a pro got the highest scores for her routinues all series again on merit.
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Old 19-12-2016, 17:05
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Or maybe they weren't that great at dancing or that engaging as individuals. And Ore was incredible. So glad he won. I'm sure there are some idiots out there who won't vote for somebody based on their ethnicity but I'm glad the majority don't think that way.
The fan of his I know at my work was one on the basis of his great 'Singing in the Rain' routinue so definately on merit.
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Old 19-12-2016, 17:13
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Or maybe they weren't that great at dancing or that engaging as individuals. And Ore was incredible. So glad he won. I'm sure there are some idiots out there who won't vote for somebody based on their ethnicity but I'm glad the majority don't think that way.
I agree with this Melvin was dull and Janette's routinues pretty awful although not helped in the tango with rubbish music and theming, Naga was downright uncomfortable just as someone like Ore or Ed's joy of dancing came through the screen so did Naga's awkwardness and nerves. Tameka I think was a mixed of factors - marmite personaltiy, middle of the leaderboard syndrome and slightly awkward music and theming, not being a dance that really suited her personality unlike the charleson which totally did (unlike Ed and Judge Rinder who got dances were they could go to town on bringing lots of personality and high performance levels and were very memorable) and being a bit unmemorable as a result.
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