Why is no-one shouting "Fix"...

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Aurora13

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by RandomSally:
“Louise was an also ran last night from the start.
Nowhere near the level of the other two.”

But she had been topping the public vote. That is what mattered to BBC. They had to approach final with a hatchet to cut back her vote. Hence giving her the lowest scoring dance to perform again.

fayebeatle

18-12-2016

Like a top athlete, Ore peaked at the right time. He was favourite to leave before the semi. Blew everyone out of the water for two weeks. I wanted a Louise and Kevin win but, can't deny Ore brought his A game.

fredster

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by EthanE:
“because there wasn't a fix

Ore danced the best and deserved all his scores, I thought he did in the semi too but he wads really outstanding in all 3 dances.

Danny is the best dancer, the most versatile and the most consistently good (when he doesn't mess up which he did tonight) but he wasn't the best in the final.”

The only thing that surprised us was, I think they opened the voting after Ore and Joanne's first dance didn't they? That did give them an advantage over the other two.But I am NOT shouting fix!

ESPIONdansant

18-12-2016

So Louise won every week previously. So what. Loads of people watch the Final who haven't seen any of the other shows.

Contemporary show dance isn't the way to get the glitterball. The margins may have been very tight last night. We shall never know.

I agree that cha cha was an odd choice and that Ore and Danny were much better served by crowd-pleasing AS and QS. But they still had to perform them well and Danny didn't. Nor did Louise improve her cha cha. Not at all.

I think you overestimate the power of the production team and judges to influence the result. Plus it doesn't matter. Has anyone ever built a career on Strictly success? No. Does the winner get a huge bonus? No. Does the winner's favourite charity benefit? No.

There's a reason to fix things. Somebody gains. Nobody gains by Louise not winning a tacky trophy.

Sarah777

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“But she had been topping the public vote. That is what mattered to BBC. They had to approach final with a hatchet to cut back her vote. Hence giving her the lowest scoring dance to perform again.”

BIB - There is no evidence of that and now after Ore winning the final, more likely he topped the public votes in semifinal too.

Sarah777

18-12-2016

It's the public who choose the winner, how can it be a fix??

fayebeatle

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by Sarah777:
“It's the public who choose the winner, how can it be a fix??”

Exactly!

Sarah777

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by fayebeatle:
“Like a top athlete, Ore peaked at the right time. He was favourite to leave before the semi. Blew everyone out of the water for two weeks. I wanted a Louise and Kevin win but, can't deny Ore brought his A game.”

I recorded and watched it last night, may be I missed some bits, but one thing for sure
Jo's simple and elegant choreo was the selling point. In the final you have to sell it to the public, I thought Oti's showdance was a bit hectic.

londongirlGre

18-12-2016

I think it's because the majority on here seem happy with the result.

jeffiner1892

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“I think it's because the majority on here seem happy with the result.”

On here yes, the Facebook page went into meltdown when the winner was announced though.

londongirlGre

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by jeffiner1892:
“On here yes, the Facebook page went into meltdown when the winner was announced though.”

Who did they want to win?

claire2281

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by fredster:
“The only thing that surprised us was, I think they opened the voting after Ore and Joanne's first dance didn't they? That did give them an advantage over the other two.But I am NOT shouting fix!”

They opened it after all couples had done their first dance.

Jennifer_F

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by Domestos:
“I am inclined to agree about Louise being disregarded but not into fix claims. Why give Danny a 40 scoring Samba, Ore his iconic AS and Louise that? Why not the Waltz that was beautiful?”

I agree, she was shafted with the "judges" choice. Actually I think the judges choice for Danny was his QS, but still high scoring first time around.

karl_kennedy

18-12-2016

Because it wasn't a fix. I loved Danny from the start, and indeed, even thought he was the best dancer last night - despite the 'mistakes'.....but i can understand the voting pattern of the public and the factors that made them vote for Ore.....a non-dancer - his visiting parents in the crowd - the Gene Kelly routine with the widow Kelly watching - the public love an underdog - and most importantly, three fairly flawless routines including a crowd-pleasing Disney'esque show-dance.

No fix, no conspiracy, no evil plot, no dastardly BBC manipulation.

It was a terrific nights entertainment - not sure why some people just cant accept that and enjoy the show for what it is?.....but as any fleeting glance at any Internet forum shows us, there are some very, very odd, bitter and deluded people out there.

Well done Ore and Joanne....and farewell Len - you all contributed to a splendid bit of TV

Mr Cellophane

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by Hoofmatic:
“The problem I have with these fix claims is who gains? Why would the judges or the producers care if Louise or Claudia is in the final? Judging is by definition subjective and if it differs from your opinion it doesn't mean there's a fix. Personally I thought it was a toss up between the two who most deserved to be in the final, but that both Danny and Ore were clearly more deserving, but that's only my opinion and if it had turned out differently I wouldn't have thought for a moment that it was a fix, simply that others had a different opinion, to which they are perfectly entitled.”

You are absolutely right, but I'm afraid logic and factual accuracy don't cut much ice in here....

Originally Posted by PoppySeed:
“Why do people always bore on about fixes, the winner of Strictly really doesn't matter to the producers in the long run, what difference would it make to them which one of the three win. I was probably typical of a lot of viewers yesterday who began the show thinking Danny would win but ended up voting for Ore because he actually delivered best on the night.”

Well y'see, the Beeb always have to engineer it so one of their own employees wins (except, oops, Chris Hollins was the only other one to win, about 10 years ago...)
And then of course, there's a whole department at the Beeb dedicated to getting Kevin a glitterball (but they obviously all had this week off....)

It's all hilarious really.

Sweetiecat

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by jiroos:
“Almost ALL of you have FAILED to answer the question I asked whichwas basically this :

Everything was, apparently, being skewed to engineer a win for Kevin. Three times a finalist but never a winner, he and Louise were, allegedly, consistently being overmarked, were getting the best music choices with Louise being overpraised despite being extremely 'beige'. As a final show of alleged "favouritism" towards L&K, they were pushed through to the Final, at Claudia's expense. despite being the worst in the semis,

So why, at the final hurdle, were Louise & Kevin given THE worst Judges Choice of the three remaining couples - not only their joint lowest-scoring dance but also the most exposed for the super-conscious Louise?. Everyone was screaming "Fix" when things were seemingly going their way - was their Judges Choice a similar "fix" in their favour.

This is my question, so please feel free to respond - TO THIS.

To reiterate - I am not, nor was never talking about a "fix" in Ore's favour...”

Maybe it was reverse psychology? They saw from last year that bigging up their favourites and giving them perfect scores in the final didn't work so they tried a different tack.
Maybe they thought that by giving her a rubbish dance as their pick and lower marks in the final that the public would feel sorry for her and give her loads of votes?

Personally I don't hold with any of these conspiracy theories although the judges do undoubtably have their favourites ( but not the same one for each judge). When it came down to it the best dancer on the night was Ore and he fully deserved to win.

holly berry

18-12-2016

I can't see how it was a fix. Lots of people who don't normally vote do so during the final and this makes all the difference.

Ore and Joanne had fantastic momentum last night. Danny and Oti had to play catch-up after their first dance didn't go to plan.

RandomSally

18-12-2016

No they didn't. It was after all dancers had danced their first dance.

RandomSally

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“But she had been topping the public vote. That is what mattered to BBC. They had to approach final with a hatchet to cut back her vote. Hence giving her the lowest scoring dance to perform again.”

How do you know that? You can't and don't know.

pasodabble

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by karl_kennedy:
“Because it wasn't a fix. I loved Danny from the start, and indeed, even thought he was the best dancer last night - despite the 'mistakes'.....but i can understand the voting pattern of the public and the factors that made them vote for Ore.....a non-dancer - his visiting parents in the crowd - the Gene Kelly routine with the widow Kelly watching - the public love an underdog - and most importantly, three fairly flawless routines including a crowd-pleasing Disney'esque show-dance.

No fix, no conspiracy, no evil plot, no dastardly BBC manipulation.

It was a terrific nights entertainment - not sure why some people just cant accept that and enjoy the show for what it is?.....but as any fleeting glance at any Internet forum shows us, there are some very, very odd, bitter and deluded people out there.

Well done Ore and Joanne....and farewell Len - you all contributed to a splendid bit of TV”

I was going to contribute to this thread, but you've captured everything I was going to say so well! Very well said!

Tissy

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by Bedlam_maid:
“If Danny had won people would be shouting "FIX" after the many mistakes he made in the first dance and the one or two in his showdance.

If Louise had won people would be shouting "FIX" because she was at best mediocre, her best dance being the AT (which I loved).

So Ore won and people are shouting "FIX". Predictable really.”

It's the same most years sadly.

Marispiper

18-12-2016

More than the judges choice of cha cha, I'd say it was that dreadful show dance that Kevin came up with, that did for Louise.
It wasn't spectacular.. more like a bog standard routine the pros perform in front of a mediocre singer... like Emilie Sande....

POTD

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“If you read what I said Louise and Kevin are middle england. They are. How anyone can question the sabotage of Louise is beyond me. It was so blatent. They didn't care if Ore and Joanne or Danny or Oti won.”

Why are Louise and Kevin middle England anyway?

Louise is a former singer in a girl band, married to a former footballer. Her father in law 'arry Redknapp is anything but middle England

The BBC couldn't care who wins the final anyway. It's not as if their presenters are tied to life to the BBC, he could just as easily use the win to get a big contract with ITV. Alternatively he could just revert to being a TV presenter like Chris Hollins

Venetian

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“I think it's because the majority on here seem happy with the result.”

Yes, that's about it. Whilst accepting that Louise was not the best dancer I wanted her to win, after all we are asked to vote for our favourite. If Louise had won I would not have come on these boards after, the shouts of it being fixed would have somewhat spoiled my pleasure.

For those who know and love the film Casablanca I can only add that "the lives of three little people would not amount to a hill of beans ....... "

amelia_lee

18-12-2016

Originally Posted by Tissy:
“It's the same most years sadly.”

I think for this forum, it's he best it has been in years.

People are either happy Ore won, could see that he was great in that final so deserved it, or was happy with any one of the three winnig.

On the whole, there seems to be the most agreement on here for years about the result.

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