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Old 20-12-2016, 13:45
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I get what you say about singers. Yes, I can hear some very good technical singers around who do not transition to stardom. There's a whole movie about it (Twenty Feet from Stardom). Lisa Fischer is one of the greatest singers to walk this Earth but she isn't the star she should be for a number of reasons. And, of course, there are some very moderate singers (e.g. Madonna, Katy Perry) who do gain success.

I'm not sure Relley is in Lisa's class but she can sing well. It's partly down to opportunity and of course the greatest thing in popular music, having the right song to sing. And it helps if you can write those yourself.
There really are many talented artists that never get the opportunity to succeed mainly due to not having a big promotion behind them which unfortunately is so important these day.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:27
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This is the real Relley not the dated version XF portrayed!

https://youtu.be/eLEywrA33bc
Are we supposed to be impressed by some generic, boring rendition of a not very well written, interesting or musical song? Commercial - maybe, good music it aint.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:54
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Are we supposed to be impressed by some generic, boring rendition of a not very well written, interesting or musical song? Commercial - maybe, good music it aint.
Not the most constructive of posts is it?
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:30
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I get what you say about singers. Yes, I can hear some very good technical singers around who do not transition to stardom. There's a whole movie about it (Twenty Feet from Stardom). Lisa Fischer is one of the greatest singers to walk this Earth but she isn't the star she should be for a number of reasons. And, of course, there are some very moderate singers (e.g. Madonna, Katy Perry) who do gain success.

I'm not sure Relley is in Lisa's class but she can sing well. It's partly down to opportunity and of course the greatest thing in popular music, having the right song to sing. And it helps if you can write those yourself.
I've just found a video of her and I have to say, for a then 56-year-old, she has a great voice on her. 5:29 - 5:58 on the counter. She sings before this, but this bit, I think, shows just how good her voice is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wi6DAfzlJI
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:49
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Are we supposed to be impressed by some generic, boring rendition of a not very well written, interesting or musical song? Commercial - maybe, good music it aint.
Perhaps you would like to clarify who "we" is referring to?

So far as i am aware no one on this forum has elected you to speak for them and therefore i think what you mean is "Am I "

I also think you have probably missed the words "in my opinion" out but no worries we all make mistakes and so i have edited your post accordingly for you

Am I supposed to be impressed by in my opinion some generic, boring rendition of a not very well written, interesting or musical song? Commercial - maybe, good music it aint once again in my opinion
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:57
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Perhaps you would like to clarify who "we" is referring to?

So far as i am aware no one on this forum has elected you to speak for them and therefore i think what you mean is "Am I "

I also think you have probably missed the words "in my opinion" out but no worries we all make mistakes and so i have edited your post accordingly for you

Am I supposed to be impressed by in my opinion some generic, boring rendition of a not very well written, interesting or musical song? Commercial - maybe, good music it aint once again in my opinion
Can only agree with you on this.
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:31
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I've just found a video of her and I have to say, for a then 56-year-old, she has a great voice on her. 5:29 - 5:58 on the counter. She sings before this, but this bit, I think, shows just how good her voice is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wi6DAfzlJI
Just check out any of the videos down the right, with The Stones, Sting, Springsteen, Tina Turner.....any body. Just the greatest.
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:31
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Your bias, which is the most common one, is believing that an unknown could not possibly sing as well as someone with the rep of a legend even if the as yet unknown to the general public is someone like Nate who in terms of technical and pure born talent is as good; I put so much effort into coaching him BECAUSE he had such rare talent as others now are recognizing (including someone who has worked with those Nate is so justifiably compared to fyi ) Again you are entitled yo your (frankly far less informed) opinion
Legends are measured by talent which is sustained over many years. Ergo, absolutely nobody whose public career spans the arc of a TV talent show can feasibly be compared to a bonafide legend without inevitable derision. Is Relley a good singer? Most definitely. But to mention her in the same debate as Amy Winehouse and expect to be taken at all seriously is fanciful to say the least. And as for Nate, I see very little charisma but a whole lot of smugness. If his supposed talent has been recognised by anyone of note, then how on earth did he find himself recording a single with an engineer from one of the least credible production teams in the history of popular music? It's hardly a stellar path he's found himself on. Artists such as Amy & Sam turn up once in a generation, if we're extremely lucky. But not as also-rans on X Factor. Indeed not a single person across the entire 12 years has even come close.

And please appreciate once and for all that the ability to sing and/or postulated teaching ability bolsters your argument not one iota. Trotting it out post after post is really rather gauche, in fact. It's like a group of lads attempting to dismiss a girl's opinion in a debate about football simply because of her gender, or seeking to invalidate an individual's input to a conversation about the Olympics on the grounds that theyre not in possession of an athletic physique. Purported techical ability is not the stuff of legend, as the likes of Johnny Cash or Bob Dylan amply illustrate.
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Old 21-12-2016, 21:27
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He's a massive star. He could release an album of nursery rhymes right now and social media would lap it up. But his back catalogue is far superior.
Agree , his new album is poor
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:04
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Lisa Fischer is not only amazing but has amazing taste as she is one who very much supports Nate

I hope Relley keeps growing as an artist and treats the kind of negative comments some here have made with all the seriousness groundless uninformed attempts at bring-downs like theirs deserve as in with a laugh or a dismiss . She .Can. SING !
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:43
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Legends are measured by talent which is sustained over many years. Ergo, absolutely nobody whose public career spans the arc of a TV talent show can feasibly be compared to a bonafide legend without inevitable derision. Is Relley a good singer? Most definitely. But to mention her in the same debate as Amy Winehouse and expect to be taken at all seriously is fanciful to say the least. And as for Nate, I see very little charisma but a whole lot of smugness. If his supposed talent has been recognised by anyone of note, then how on earth did he find himself recording a single with an engineer from one of the least credible production teams in the history of popular music? It's hardly a stellar path he's found himself on. Artists such as Amy & Sam turn up once in a generation, if we're extremely lucky. But not as also-rans on X Factor. Indeed not a single person across the entire 12 years has even come close.

And please appreciate once and for all that the ability to sing and/or postulated teaching ability bolsters your argument not one iota. Trotting it out post after post is really rather gauche, in fact. It's like a group of lads attempting to dismiss a girl's opinion in a debate about football simply because of her gender, or seeking to invalidate an individual's input to a conversation about the Olympics on the grounds that theyre not in possession of an athletic physique. Purported techical ability is not the stuff of legend, as the likes of Johnny Cash or Bob Dylan amply illustrate.
As I suggested above check out Morgan Neville's 'Twenty Feet from Stardom' which features the legendary Lisa Fischer, Merry Clayton, Darlene Love, Claudia Linnear...all exemplary singers who should have been recognised long ago as legends of popular music but they often end up as backup (or background as they say in the US) singers when they are the real stars. The poster is simply suggesting that Relley C might well be that kind of artist, technically gifted but fate has worked against her. It's not that unreasonable actually.
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Old 22-12-2016, 01:03
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As I suggested above check out Morgan Neville's 'Twenty Feet from Stardom' which features the legendary Lisa Fischer, Merry Clayton, Darlene Love, Claudia Linnear...all exemplary singers who should have been recognised long ago as legends of popular music but they often end up as backup (or background as they say in the US) singers when they are the real stars.

The poster is simply suggesting that Relley C might well be that kind of artist, technically gifted but fate has worked against her. It's not that unreasonable actually.
Merry Clayton is never out of my 'most played' list (she sings lead on the amazing Brothers and Sisters of Los Angeles' cover of The Times They are a Changing from the Dylan's Gospel album). And Darlene Love's Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) is my all-time favourite Xmas song.

It's actually wholly unreasonable if you read through the entire thread and appreciate the bias involved, along with the discordant yet perpetually blown trumpet that would drown out even the real legends our titular starlet simply couldn't live with.
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Old 22-12-2016, 01:47
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I am aware that I may be seen as biased, however,consider that I didn't know Nate the first time I heard his amazing gift I got to know him over time and spent that time because I saw what others who have far more cred than I do are now seeing, which is his exceptional talent ,just as I knew they would .Am I biased? Sure, and admittedly, but that does not change that Nate really is *that* good and a few negativity laced uninformed opinions from some random person with no cred won't change that
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Old 22-12-2016, 07:10
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I am aware that I may be seen as biased, however,consider that I didn't know Nate the first time I heard his amazing gift I got to know him over time and spent that time because I saw what others who have far more cred than I do are now seeing, which is his exceptional talent ,just as I knew they would .Am I biased? Sure, and admittedly, but that does not change that Nate really is *that* good and a few negativity laced uninformed opinions from some random person with no cred won't change that
I agree with you regarding this.
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:07
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I am aware that I may be seen as biased, however,consider that I didn't know Nate the first time I heard his amazing gift I got to know him over time and spent that time because I saw what others who have far more cred than I do are now seeing, which is his exceptional talent ,just as I knew they would .Am I biased? Sure, and admittedly, but that does not change that Nate really is *that* good and a few negativity laced uninformed opinions from some random person with no cred won't change that
The thing is no matter how "professional" people claim to be on Music, everybody likes a singer based on what genres they like, especially if they're talented in their field which if I'm not mistaken with you, you like your Soul Music, so the fact that Nate and Relley are decent in that genre will probably mean that you'll really like them.

My point being is that I don't get why some people are complaining about someone having a Music bias which is completely natural?
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:22
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Confessions of a Biased Poster

Yes i am biased and happy to admit it!! Then again when discussing something as subjective as music aren't we all biased? Of course we are!

I just fail to understand why it's necessary to take such an aggressive stance in posts and launch what can only be described as personal attacks !! There really is no need or place for this on any forum!
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Old 22-12-2016, 22:20
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My point being is that I don't get why some people are complaining about someone having a Music bias which is completely natural?
It's not 'a music bias'. It's a bias that suggests Nate is comparable with arguably the finest vocalist the world has ever known, and then stating that your opinion is more valid than others because you're supposedly a singer / vocal coach when you're inevitably challenged on it.
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:01
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It's not 'a music bias'. It's a bias that suggests Nate is comparable with arguably the finest vocalist the world has ever known, and then stating that your opinion is more valid than others because you're supposedly a singer / vocal coach when you're inevitably challenged on it.
There is no supposedly in either case, but such comments and wording are why your opinion is still adorable lol
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:18
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It's not 'a music bias'. It's a bias that suggests Nate is comparable with arguably the finest vocalist the world has ever known, and then stating that your opinion is more valid than others because you're supposedly a singer / vocal coach when you're inevitably challenged on it.
BIB, I didn't know that Nate was being compared to Matt Bellamy.
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Old 26-12-2016, 15:18
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Lisa Fischer is not only amazing but has amazing taste as she is one who very much supports Nate

I hope Relley keeps growing as an artist and treats the kind of negative comments some here have made with all the seriousness groundless uninformed attempts at bring-downs like theirs deserve as in with a laugh or a dismiss . She .Can. SING !
I forgot to ask, how do you know that she supports Nate? Where did she say that?
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Old 26-12-2016, 23:27
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I forgot to ask, how do you know that she supports Nate? Where did she say that?
This feels close to the kind of association dropping I cannot stand but:I am not his only mentor To a less closely involved but profound degree Lisa is too.She is amazingly talented and truly loves music and the woman knows talent when she hears it Nate adores her!

As to music bias I am aware that we all have it to some degree .I a actually ore rock and jazz oriented with a side of soul as an artist,and do feel kinship with those who have similar leanings, but I was also a Saara supporter.. Not a fan of the genres she excels in on a personal level but I recognize a beautiful skilled vocal when I hear one.I also think Niall has a great deal of potential and he is not a soul singer by any stretch. Quality is quality, and recognizable across the board. When aware of bias regardless of it one can can hear "x factor" weather someone is a soul singer (or legend yet ) or not.
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