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Old 17-12-2016, 23:26
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There are as tiresome as the ones where people cant see the Woods for the Trees.
Just to be pedantic - I have started no such thread. Just responding to this one. I think you can see a conspiracy wherever you want to, to be honest. They were fulsome in their praise for Danny. He got the "pimp" slot. He got 2 of his best dances. He didn't get the most votes. Thems the breaks! And I say this not having a particular favourite going into the final.
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:27
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Anyone else think that Len's orchestration of Ore's winning chances was an abuse of the head judges powers?

Emphasising that Ore was the only "amateur" dancer in the final and was the most improved certainly gave waverers someone to vote for. Coupled with the on-cue tears from Ore and the multiple shots of Ore's parents, there is no doubt that Ore picked up the sympathy vote tonight.

There should be a rule that judges are always seen to be impartial.
I agree, its not the first time Len has stated this though about Ore on live TV. As a judge I feel his critique should be contained to the dance alone, that is what he is there for, everything else is irrelevant where his job is concerned, he is just there to judge the dance. However it was his last show, he probably couldn't give a f**k, LOL

I also agree that the crying was on overdrive tonight and again the show was highlighting Ore's parents as often as they could when he was dancing or getting results. Danny let a few tears fall getting scores, but he didn't fall apart or make a show of it. Now its possible Ore is just really that emotional (although there have been times I swear they are full on crocodile tears) in which case fair enough. I am happy for Jo beating her big bro to a win on Strictly though, but I honestly didn't feel he was the best tonight. But its all subjective I suppose <shrugs>
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:27
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Twice it was mentioned and emphasised that Ore was a non-dancer. What is that if it's not biased deliberate trying to swing the vote?

It's dirty politics.
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:28
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It still wouldn't be the same as studying dance as Danny and Louise have. Clutching much.
FFS - I despair. Studying acting does not equal studying dance. If people accept that Ore has natural aptitude, why can the same not be said for Danny?
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:29
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I suspect Danny's lack of progression was a factor (ie: he started off excellent & didn't go anywhere after that)
Yet Ore got the first 10s of the series (in week 4) - so where did he go after that?
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:31
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FFS - I despair. Studying acting does not equal studying dance. If people accept that Ore has natural aptitude, why can the same not be said for Danny?
All actors attending acting school have dance classes. For YEARS!!

Also- Danny has danced in the West End previous to being on Strictly. He's insanely over qualified for a "learn to dance" show. Same with Louise really.

I have no idea if Ore has had private or previous dance lessons (quite possibly) but no where near the level of the other 2.
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:33
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I feel they very much were required. Accept that you are wrong maybe?
I have not been wrong since 1993 when I made the wrong turn off a Motorway and have never been wrong since.
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:38
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Twice it was mentioned and emphasised that Ore was a non-dancer. What is that if it's not biased deliberate trying to swing the vote?

It's dirty politics.
I have no idea how that is bias when it is factual and has been pointed out in other celebs for years like Colin and Ramps and Austin.

People make their own minds up, other years a non dancer has lost to someone who has a lot of experience, it depends on a few things, popularity and then persona.

Another person who they pointed itnout on was Mark Wright, but then he didn't win, so I am guessing nobody thinks that was biased in any way?
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:41
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I have not been wrong since 1993 when I made the wrong turn of a Motorway and have never been wrong since.
I'm stealing that line.
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:44
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I know picking up on spelling and grammar isn't the done thing on here but considering the context...

I have not been wrong since 1993 when I made the wrong turn of a Motorway and have never been wrong since.
Until now!
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:52
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I know picking up on spelling and grammar isn't the done thing on here but considering the context...



Until now!
Oh dear 23 year and I have made another mistake I am distraught.
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:58
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Anyone else think that Len's orchestration of Ore's winning chances was an abuse of the head judges powers?

Emphasising that Ore was the only "amateur" dancer in the final and was the most improved certainly gave waverers someone to vote for. Coupled with the on-cue tears from Ore and the multiple shots of Ore's parents, there is no doubt that Ore picked up the sympathy vote tonight.

There should be a rule that judges are always seen to be impartial.
Not at all.....he didn't need it. He danced his socks off. The artistry, the showmanship, the subtle expression and technical ability all came together and got the job done. The other contestants got similar shots and were emotional as well. Sad for you that your favourite lost but I'm very proud of the voting public.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:08
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Thing is IMO Ore has not gotten better since week 4

he was very lucky in the semi that the judges thought he was good enough for top of the leader board and that the judges decided to tie others (dont tell me they dont know who is more popular with the viewers vote)

he did not dance well last week and the AT was just posing and the QS was not worth the marks he got

I feel for Claudia as it should have been her in the final and not Ore

It makes me wonder what the BBC have lined up for him
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:11
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Not at all.....he didn't need it. He danced his socks off. The artistry, the showmanship, the subtle expression and technical ability all came together and got the job done. The other contestants got similar shots and were emotional as well. Sad for you that your favourite lost but I'm very proud of the voting public.
It doesn't bother me that Ore won since he danced well enough tonight but overall Danny and Oti were the better dancers, had the best choreographed routines and made the least mistakes..ergo should have won and would have won if Len had not spoken out strongly in his favour.

The original post is simply asking the question about how much Len's comments affected the result, particularly when Ore was bottom in week 7 with 9 still in the contest.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:13
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FFS - I despair. Studying acting does not equal studying dance. If people accept that Ore has natural aptitude, why can the same not be said for Danny?
Hmm because his degree included dance? FFS indeed
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:14
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I think Len needs to go on a how to be subtle course. IMO he was pathetic tonight.
That made me LOL.

He really does!
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:23
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Thing is IMO Ore has not gotten better since week 4

he was very lucky in the semi that the judges thought he was good enough for top of the leader board and that the judges decided to tie others (dont tell me they dont know who is more popular with the viewers vote)

he did not dance well last week and the AT was just posing and the QS was not worth the marks he got

I feel for Claudia as it should have been her in the final and not Ore

It makes me wonder what the BBC have lined up for him
You say it was jot worth the score, so that must be true then?

Others were overmarked too, but it seems to be all Ore's fault.

I agree that Claudia was undermarked, her QS was beautiful, but why did she deserve Ore's place in the final, why not Claudia in Louise out? Louise was very poor last week, I believe Louise should have been on the bottom of the leaderboard on her own.

It's no conspiracy, they have all been overmarked anyway.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:31
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You say it was jot worth the score, so that must be true then?

Others were overmarked too, but it seems to be all Ore's fault.

I agree that Claudia was undermarked, her QS was beautiful, but why did she deserve Ore's place in the final, why not Claudia in Louise out? Louise was very poor last week, I believe Louise should have been on the bottom of the leaderboard on her own.

It's no conspiracy, they have all been overmarked anyway.
Hmm how about Danny out as she danced better in the DO?
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:32
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Hmm because his degree included dance? FFS indeed
I don't get where this acting angle is coming from. He studied acting specifically prior to ArtsEd, but did a Performing Arts degree at ArtsEd. There is a heavy emphasis on dance in these courses, and a poster on here who is obviously highly involved in the dance world has previously stated that the institution produces consistently great dancers.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:33
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I'd agree that it really should have been Claudia in the final instead of Louise, not that there was any question about Danny or Ore being the top two. Personally I voted for Danny as he was my favourite, but I can't say I was disappointed that Ore won, both men were absolutely brilliant IMO.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:39
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I don't get where this acting angle is coming from. He studied acting specifically prior to ArtsEd, but did a Performing Arts degree at ArtsEd. There is a heavy emphasis on dance in these courses, and a poster on here who is obviously highly involved in the dance world has previously stated that the institution produces consistently great dancers.
Convenient amnesia perhaps?
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:45
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Convenient amnesia perhaps?
A few on here were desperate for the show to publicly acknowledge the fact that Louise was a judge on So You Think You Can Dance, but I'm guessing they didn't want much of a fuss made that Danny went to the same institution as one of the judges.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:50
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Funny how Len has never had a problem with ringers in the past. We got it Len, your double standing ovation and twice reminding the public that Ore was an "amateur" said everything about your impartiality
Len has given standing ovations for lots of celebrities in the past, even Kimberley pointed that out tonight.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:57
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FFS - I despair. Studying acting does not equal studying dance. If people accept that Ore has natural aptitude, why can the same not be said for Danny?
Danny has been in 2 musicals.
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Old 18-12-2016, 03:12
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Obviously Danny Mac has rubbed people up the wrong way behind the scenes.
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