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Old 18-12-2016, 12:14
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Several studies have found smoking while driving increases crash risk. Accessing and lighting a cigarette within the car causes physical and mental distraction. The smoke from the lit cigarette, from the driver or passenger, could impair the driver’s vision, and a cigarette falling into the driver’s lap or onto a seat could cause distraction.

Research into the proportion of drivers in the UK engaging in distracting behaviour when behind the wheel revealed smoking was the second most frequently observed distraction during the study, second only to ‘talking to a passenger’.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:23
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YOu mean why isn't there legislation to stop people throwing cigarette butts into the street - there is, it's called littering, the same as throwing gum in the street (ever taken a look at the average road - all those white spots are gum).
Indeed.

Councils spend a fortune removing chewing gum from pavements, or at least used to judging by the state of some pavements. At least cigarette butts can be road swept up. Once chewing gum is attached to the pavement it isn't going anywhere and it's far easier to deal with before dropping it by wrapping it up in its wrapper and put into a bin.

People are generally lazy and many just drop litter onto the ground whether or not there is a litter bin nearby. The number of bottles and cans left on my outside wall over the years is dozens. There's a wheelie bin literally feet away. You know, lift lid, throw can or bottle in. How hard can that be.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:37
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come on, the car is the last place on planet earth we get to smoke a fag in the warm
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:40
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Indeed.

Councils spend a fortune removing chewing gum from pavements, or at least used to judging by the state of some pavements. At least cigarette butts can be road swept up. Once chewing gum is attached to the pavement it isn't going anywhere and it's far easier to deal with before dropping it by wrapping it up in its wrapper and put into a bin.

People are generally lazy and many just drop litter onto the ground whether or not there is a litter bin nearby. The number of bottles and cans left on my outside wall over the years is dozens. There's a wheelie bin literally feet away. You know, lift lid, throw can or bottle in. How hard can that be.
yeah, gum is a right ****ing arsehole, I did a job a building job at Sainsburys once, just about to do the handover and the foreman decided we had to get rid of all the gum at the entrance, it took two blokes a whole day to do about three metre squared bit, arsehole stuff
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:42
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come on, the car is the last place on planet earth we get to smoke a fag in the warm
It's not that I have a problem with. It is that one could be putting other lives at risk.

The OP presumably means in moving vehicles, not vehicles in a lay-by, carpark etc.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:42
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That link also suggests that hands free phones, changing music/radio, thinking about other things and talking to passengers are distractions. Do you want to ban those too?
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:49
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Ban young children from cars, they are far more distracting than fags or phones. Plus all of the extra exercise will solve the childhood obesity crisis; It's a win, win situation
Yep, I'm going to make Jr walk all the way to Minehead next time we go - I'll have a lovely time, she should arrive about the time I'm leaving to come home if my calculations are correct.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:51
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yeah, gum is a right ****ing arsehole, I did a job a building job at Sainsburys once, just about to do the handover and the foreman decided we had to get rid of all the gum at the entrance, it took two blokes a whole day to do about three metre squared bit, arsehole stuff
King hell.

At least councils have got a 'special' spray these days, which I believe dissolves the gum, but even so, it must take ages to clean miles of pavement. All paid for by the taxpayer of course.

Maybe we should ban chewing gum as well or at least make manufacturers produce a biodegradable product.

And no doubt a few of us have sat down when out on chewing gum in our lives. Now how do you deal with that, there and then? The best way I know of, is freeze the garment and scrape it off, but you can't do that until you get home.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:51
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Yep, I'm going to make Jr walk all the way to Minehead next time we go - I'll have a lovely time, she should arrive about the time I'm leaving to come home if my calculations are correct.
bit of duct tape over the gob works wonders, I haven't heard an "are we nearly there yet" for donkeys
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:53
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King hell.

At least councils have got a 'special' spray these days, which I believe dissolves the gum, but even so, it must take ages to clean miles of pavement. All paid for by the taxpayer of course.

Maybe we should ban chewing gum as well or at least make manufacturers produce a biodegradable product.

And no doubt a few of us have sat down when out on chewing gum in our lives. Now how do you deal with that, there and then? The best way I know of, is freeze the garment and scrape it off, but you can't do that until you get home.

yeah, should have had some of that trendy spray, they did it all by hand with scrapers
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:54
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The real problem for me is that I keep chucking my e-cig out the window after I vape - it's proving to be very expensive; I knocked somebody in a convertible out the other week too but at least they couldn't smell the fumes from anywhere once they recovered.

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Old 18-12-2016, 12:55
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A tip for anybody who gets gum on their shoe, especially trainers that have grooves in them which can be an additional pain in the arse - WD40. Spray it on the sole, leave for a few minutes, it softens the gum and makes it easy to wipe off with kitchen towel. Unfortunately the grooves need scraping out with something, but it's easier once it's gone all runny.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:58
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That link also suggests that hands free phones, changing music/radio, thinking about other things and talking to passengers are distractions. Do you want to ban those too?
quote the post where i`ve said that for me, there`s a love.
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:04
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quote the post where i`ve said that for me, there`s a love.
You posted a link to a website that listed all of those as well as smoking as potential distractions. I never suggested that you had said you want to ban those. I asked however based upon the link that you posted and the contents within the link whether you would want to ban those too? Why don't you show in the post that you quoted where I said you had stated you wanted to ban those too? There's a love.
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:07
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quote the post where i`ve said that for me, there`s a love.
You posted a link to a website that listed all of those as well as smoking as potential distractions. I never suggested that you had said you want to ban those. I asked however based upon the link that you posted and the contents within the link whether you would want to ban those too? Why don't you show in the post that you quoted where I said you had stated you wanted to ban those too? There's a love.
There's only one way to sort this out... FIGHT!!!
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:25
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I think you'll find that the tax receipts from smoking far outweigh the cost burden to the NHS for looking after ill smokers. So smoking (or the money it raises in taxes) has had a positive benefit to society.

Incidentally, I'm a non-smoker.
I'm sure I was told when I was at school (about 13-14 years ago) that the only reason why smoking is legal is because of money. Ditto alcohol. If either were discovered today, they wouldn't be.
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:27
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Cigarette smoking is already illegal in all PSVs AFAIK, so this would be the next step.
That's to do with smoking in a work place. It's the same rules that govern smoking in a building. It has nothing to do with the distraction (if any) caused by smoking, so your argument on that point falls flat.

The other thing is cigarettes thrown out of the window are a fire hazard in dry weather.
So are cigarette ends thrown away by pedestrians and cyclists. A person could cause a fire by throwing a cigarette butt out of their bedroom window. The problem isn't driving with a lit cigarette, it's irresponsible disposal of the un-extinguished butt end. You have to focus on the real issue rather than something incidental.

Ideally in a moving vehicle you should be driving and only that. No talking to other passengers, no in-vehicle entertainment, no sat nav, no soft drinking, no smoking, no mobile phones etc., as they are all distractions. Obviously that is never going to happen in full and one has to be realistic, minimizing the number of distractions. Many roads are so busy these days, that's the only way.
Wow. I bet you're a joy on road trips.

I think there's a lot here that's a double-edged sword. No sat-nav = drivers getting lost and creating as much of a hazard because they're unsure where they're going; or they're distracted by reading a map book which is bad enough in daylight but a bloody nightmare now we have the winter nights. No radio (ICE) = no traffic reports so lots of drivers causing bigger jams. Also radio or music can help stimulate the brain and so keeps drivers alert. No talking to passengers = just not practical. Mobile phones = That's about the only realistic point, but again there are certain jobs where communication is part and parcel of the role. I'm thinking here about company reps, delivery drivers, Doctors and other medical professionals on call. There are lots people who need voice communications whilst travelling. I would support a call for no texting or social media whilst driving. That really should be a given anyway but isn't.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:03
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There's only one way to sort this out... FIGHT!!!
i`ve been in the car park ten minutes and he`s not shown up, i`ll have to do it the old fashioned way.


You posted a link to a website that listed all of those as well as smoking as potential distractions. I never suggested that you had said you want to ban those. I asked however based upon the link that you posted and the contents within the link whether you would want to ban those too? Why don't you show in the post that you quoted where I said you had stated you wanted to ban those too? There's a love.
That link also suggests that hands free phones, changing music/radio, thinking about other things and talking to passengers are distractions. Do you want to ban those too?


i bolded it when i quoted it the first time.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:11
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I just put this to the test...now I've got a burnt willy
Reminds me of when I was at college- phoned up one of my mates during the holidays when he was back at his folks' place. This was pre-mobile phones, so his dad answered and went into his room to tell him. Dude was smoking a joint in bed, and hurriedly tried to hide it under the duvet, where it set light to his pubes.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:15
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Reminds me of when I was at college- phoned up one of my mates during the holidays when he was back at his folks' place. This was pre-mobile phones, so his dad answered and went into his room to tell him. Dude was smoking a joint in bed, and hurriedly tried to hide it under the duvet, where it set light to his pubes.
Haha!
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:21
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Except she wasn't driving.
She was in a traffic jam and "a police officer saw her take her hand off the wheel while stationary".
So she says
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:26
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I'd be in favour of cigarette smoking in vehicles being made illegal, since it's obviously a major distraction if you drop it, the burning end falls out, or it blows back into the vehicle when trying to throw it out of the window. Cigarette smoking is already illegal in all PSVs AFAIK, so this would be the next step.

The other thing is cigarettes thrown out of the window are a fire hazard in dry weather.

Ideally in a moving vehicle you should be driving and only that. No talking to other passengers, no in-vehicle entertainment, no sat nav, no soft drinking, no smoking, no mobile phones etc., as they are all distractions. Obviously that is never going to happen in full and one has to be realistic, minimizing the number of distractions. Many roads are so busy these days, that's the only way.
No changing gears, no constantly checking your speed fearing another speed trap or obscured camera, no indicating, no looking out for cyclists with no lights.

How about removing the vast majority of roadside signage which is useless and distracting?
No more silly signs about "We welcome careful drivers" right next to the one with actual important directions or speed limit on.

Perhaps fill a few of the creators in the road so drivers didn't have to waste valuable seconds negotiating their way around them. There's one I'll be passing today which is just out of sight as you climb a hill, it's about 12" diameter and about 3" deep! Enough to cause a lot of damage if you don't know it's there.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:27
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No changing gears, no constantly checking your speed fearing another speed trap or obscured camera, no indicating, no looking out for cyclists with no lights.

How about removing the vast majority of roadside signage which is useless and distracting?
No more silly signs about "We welcome careful drivers" right next to the one with actual important directions or speed limit on.

Perhaps fill a few of the creators in the road so drivers didn't have to waste valuable seconds negotiating their way around them. There's one I'll be passing today which is just out of sight as you climb a hill, it's about 12" diameter and about 3" deep! Enough to cause a lot of damage if you don't know it's there.
Stop dragging religion into the discussion!
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:33
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If you ban everything that causes some sort of risk, there'd be nothing left.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:39
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i`ve been in the car park ten minutes and he`s not shown up, i`ll have to do it the old fashioned way.




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i bolded it when i quoted it the first time.
Yeah and you clearly can't read English either. Still, carry on.

As for muggins remark I'd be more than happy to.
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