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Yeah and you clearly can't read English either. Still, carry on.
As for muggins remark I'd be more than happy to. bib: get a grip, it`s only a meme. |
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feel free to break it down and explain it then.
bib: get a grip, it`s only a meme. |
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I drive a convertible (that's a fact and 100% of people I know will back me up!) and I smell all sorts of things coming from other cars such as perfume/aftershave, takeaways, air fresheners, petrol and Diesel fumes, burning oil, even washer fluid when people clean their screens ... not to mention smells from farmyards, factories, roadworks etc.
99% of people agree that all of these should be banned! ![]() Quote:
What?
A thread about smoking with cyclists shoe-horned into it? You couldn't find less contentious issues here in GD! As for facts, did you know that only atheists smoke and vegans are the worst cyclists! ![]()
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There are some very silly responses to the OP's reasonable post
Of course it is stupid and risky smoking in the car Apart from the car smelling like a chimney, and others breathing the filth in, lighting up , managing the cigarette does mean your concentration is not where it should be, on the road Dropping the cigarette, dropping hot ash are obviously hazards Anyone smoking in the car shows a lack of consideration for others, as well as a lack of common sense If I see any one throw a cigarette end out of the car while at traffic lights, I shall give them their property back through the window For some reason cigarette stubs are not regarded as litter by the owner! Any thing which causes risk of an accident, , trying to eat sandwiches, putting make up on, playing with the CD player etc is regarded as a dangerous distraction, and smoking is high on the list Some people won't accept this , because they just want to do as they like , But hopefully some have a sense of responsibility |
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There are some very silly responses to the OP's reasonable post.
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Careful consideration of the link posted and its Source 26 sub-link, reveal that the OP's Premise is far from reasonable.
In fact, I would suggest that this whole thread's basis is merely Rabid Anti-Smoking Scaremongering and reflect some people's desire to ban, based on their own personal wishes, rather than any real concern over Road Safety. 101 Fatal Crashes were caused by In-Car and External Distraction from a total of 1469 Crashes. http://www.brake.org.uk/about/15-fac...stractionfacts Source 26: http://www.monash.edu/__data/assets/...7/muarc206.pdf pp 34-35 Tables 1 and 2 show that Smoking related risk is very small in these incidents. 0.9% and 2.1%, depending on which study is consulted. Since the risk from merely having another passenger is quoted as 10.9% and 8.7%, I conclude that multiple occupancy results in an increased risk of crash between 4 and 12 times worse than just smoking a cigarette. The absolute Crash risk of Smoking is very, very low. Please feel free to continue the fight along the lines of "If it saves one life, it must be banned" |
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Careful consideration of the link posted and its Source 26 sub-link, reveal that the OP's Premise is far from reasonable.
In fact, I would suggest that this whole thread's basis is merely Rabid Anti-Smoking Scaremongering and reflect some people's desire to ban, based on their own personal wishes, rather than any real concern over Road Safety. 101 Fatal Crashes were caused by In-Car and External Distraction from a total of 1469 Crashes. http://www.brake.org.uk/about/15-fac...stractionfacts Source 26: http://www.monash.edu/__data/assets/...7/muarc206.pdf pp 34-35 Tables 1 and 2 show that Smoking related risk is very small in these incidents. 0.9% and 2.1%, depending on which study is consulted. Since the risk from merely having another passenger is quoted as 10.9% and 8.7%, I conclude that multiple occupancy results in an increased risk of crash between 4 and 12 times worse than just smoking a cigarette. The absolute Crash risk of Smoking is very, very low. Please feel free to continue the fight along the lines of "If it saves one life, it must be banned" |
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That's to do with smoking in a work place. It's the same rules that govern smoking in a building. It has nothing to do with the distraction (if any) caused by smoking, so your argument on that point falls flat.
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Yes it does, as the driver is also not allowed to smoke, not just the passengers.
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Not because of distraction though. That poster is correct by saying PSV's being a public vehicle is the sole reason it's not allowed by driver or passengers. It comes under BOSIPP the same as bus shelters and office buildings.
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So are cigarette ends thrown away by pedestrians and cyclists. A person could cause a fire by throwing a cigarette butt out of their bedroom window. The problem isn't driving with a lit cigarette, it's irresponsible disposal of the un-extinguished butt end. You have to focus on the real issue rather than something incidental.
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However if they were allowed to smoke it would be a distraction, so the rules are solving two problems IMO, even if not specifically stated in those rules.
Yes, I know. But the real issue here is the distraction caused by smoking while driving, not what you do with the cigarette once it's finished. |
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There are some very silly responses to the OP's reasonable post
Of course it is stupid and risky smoking in the car Apart from the car smelling like a chimney, and others breathing the filth in, lighting up , managing the cigarette does mean your concentration is not where it should be, on the road Dropping the cigarette, dropping hot ash are obviously hazards Anyone smoking in the car shows a lack of consideration for others, as well as a lack of common sense If I see any one throw a cigarette end out of the car while at traffic lights, I shall give them their property back through the window For some reason cigarette stubs are not regarded as litter by the owner! Any thing which causes risk of an accident, , trying to eat sandwiches, putting make up on, playing with the CD player etc is regarded as a dangerous distraction, and smoking is high on the list Some people won't accept this , because they just want to do as they like , But hopefully some have a sense of responsibility I know this because for many years I was a smoker who drove - with both hands on the wheel most of the time. It takes about as much time to take a drag of a fag as it does to change gears, scratch your nose, etc. all of which are permissible. There are all sorts of distractions in this world, whilst driving and otherwise. Seeing flashing blue ambulance lights somewhere in the distance behind you is a distraction, people crossing the road during moving traffic, a gazillion things distract a driver. |
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puffing on a snout also stops you chewing your nails and spitting them out of the window like 99% of non-smokers do when in traffic
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Wow. I bet you're a joy on road trips.
![]() I think there's a lot here that's a double-edged sword. No sat-nav = drivers getting lost and creating as much of a hazard because they're unsure where they're going; or they're distracted by reading a map book which is bad enough in daylight but a bloody nightmare now we have the winter nights. No radio (ICE) = no traffic reports so lots of drivers causing bigger jams. Also radio or music can help stimulate the brain and so keeps drivers alert. No talking to passengers = just not practical. Mobile phones = That's about the only realistic point, but again there are certain jobs where communication is part and parcel of the role. I'm thinking here about company reps, delivery drivers, Doctors and other medical professionals on call. There are lots people who need voice communications whilst travelling. I would support a call for no texting or social media whilst driving. That really should be a given anyway but isn't. They do now use various mobile communications on the way, but somehow they managed in the past before all this fancy gadgetry came about. Ironically, it probably didn't take much longer to get to where you wanted to go without satnavs, mobiles etc. in those days because there was so much less traffic on the roads. Radio and music may well stimulate the brain, but can also block out external important sounds such as the emergency services. Plus, it can be also be a noise nuisance to other people such as pedestrians, other vehicle drivers and householders. |
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From what some of you are saying, it seems much of the country still has a butt litter problem, including from car windows.
From my point of view, in Devon, throwing them out of the window seemed to stop almost overnight when Councils started enforcing £75 fixed penalties, in Public Places. I almost never see car occupants doing it now. Even when 'we' all did it, many rural drivers were 'responsible' in dry conditions and didn't do it into hedges and when driving over moor and heathland Local News and Public Education has improved things I think. |
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I didn't say that's how I or most other people behave or deal with things. In an ideal world, not a realistic world being the key difference. In the good old days, you'd pull over and look at a map if you got lost or a passenger gave you guidelines. .
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No changing gears, no constantly checking your speed fearing another speed trap or obscured camera, no indicating, no looking out for cyclists with no lights.
How about removing the vast majority of roadside signage which is useless and distracting? No more silly signs about "We welcome careful drivers" right next to the one with actual important directions or speed limit on. Perhaps fill a few of the creators in the road so drivers didn't have to waste valuable seconds negotiating their way around them. There's one I'll be passing today which is just out of sight as you climb a hill, it's about 12" diameter and about 3" deep! Enough to cause a lot of damage if you don't know it's there. |
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From what some of you are saying, it seems much of the country still has a butt litter problem, including from car windows.
From my point of view, in Devon, throwing them out of the window seemed to stop almost overnight when Councils started enforcing £75 fixed penalties, in Public Places. I almost never see car occupants doing it now. Even when 'we' all did it, many rural drivers were 'responsible' in dry conditions and didn't do it into hedges and when driving over moor and heathland Local News and Public Education has improved things I think. Many new vehicles have no ash trays at all now or those which do are not designed for that use and i can't remember the last time i saw a vehicle with cigarette lighter! You are lucky if they come with a 12v socket now despite it being very useful. |
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Careful consideration of the link posted and its Source 26 sub-link, reveal that the OP's Premise is far from reasonable.
In fact, I would suggest that this whole thread's basis is merely Rabid Anti-Smoking Scaremongering and reflect some people's desire to ban, based on their own personal wishes, rather than any real concern over Road Safety. 101 Fatal Crashes were caused by In-Car and External Distraction from a total of 1469 Crashes. http://www.brake.org.uk/about/15-fac...stractionfacts Source 26: http://www.monash.edu/__data/assets/...7/muarc206.pdf pp 34-35 Tables 1 and 2 show that Smoking related risk is very small in these incidents. 0.9% and 2.1%, depending on which study is consulted. Since the risk from merely having another passenger is quoted as 10.9% and 8.7%, I conclude that multiple occupancy results in an increased risk of crash between 4 and 12 times worse than just smoking a cigarette. The absolute Crash risk of Smoking is very, very low. Please feel free to continue the fight along the lines of "If it saves one life, it must be banned" These silly people with their ban everything mantra do my head in, you mind your business love and leave others to what they want to do. |
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However if they were allowed to smoke it would be a distraction, so the rules are solving two problems IMO, even if not specifically stated in those rules.
Yes, I know. But the real issue here is the distraction caused by smoking while driving, not what you do with the cigarette once it's finished. I worry about people who are incapable of handling a cigarette whilst driving. We get distracted by a lot of things, but if you really need to give 100% of your concentration to driving absolutely all of the time then I'd suggest that you're not fit to be a driver because you have no safety margin with which to deal with complex situations on the road should the need arise. For that reason, I'd much rather you stop driving altogether. Just leave it to those of us who seem to be working well within our limits. |
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I didn't say that's how I or most other people behave or deal with things. In an ideal world, not a realistic world being the key difference.
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In the good old days, you'd pull over and look at a map if you got lost or a passenger gave you guidelines.
I'd also say that from personal experience seeing others navigate by map book, and particularly by A-Z, that few pulled over to check, as you think. Quote:
They do now use various mobile communications on the way, but somehow they managed in the past before all this fancy gadgetry came about. Ironically, it probably didn't take much longer to get to where you wanted to go without satnavs, mobiles etc. in those days because there was so much less traffic on the roads.
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Radio and music may well stimulate the brain, but can also block out external important sounds such as the emergency services. Plus, it can be also be a noise nuisance to other people such as pedestrians, other vehicle drivers and householders.
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" not a realistic world " I think you just undermined your own argument.
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That's why emergency services vehicles also have flashing lights. BTW, you do realise that deaf people can drive, right?
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I worry about people who are incapable of handling a cigarette whilst driving. We get distracted by a lot of things, but if you really need to give 100% of your concentration to driving absolutely all of the time then I'd suggest that you're not fit to be a driver because you have no safety margin with which to deal with complex situations on the road should the need arise. For that reason, I'd much rather you stop driving altogether. Just leave it to those of us who seem to be working well within our limits.
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Maybe if people smoked more while driving there would be far less intolerance on the road ![]() Quote:
From what some of you are saying, it seems much of the country still has a butt litter problem, including from car windows.
From my point of view, in Devon, throwing them out of the window seemed to stop almost overnight when Councils started enforcing £75 fixed penalties, in Public Places. I almost never see car occupants doing it now. . Quote:
Those are generally driving related distractions. Smoking, soft drinking, in-vehicle entertainment, eating, using mobile phones are non-driving related distractions. Pull over, if you need to do any of the latter and maybe we'll have a few less accidents or injuries on our roads.
Sometimes a little distraction while driving is welcome. Driving long distances especially down a deserted motorway at night can be really tough! |
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