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I did earlier but you didn't understand. I've better things to do with my afternoon than repeatedly explain that you linked to a page and I asked if you agreed with the other things on the page you linked to. You twisted that into something else. That's the last time I explain it. Wind your neck in.
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I didn't say that's how I or most other people behave or deal with things. In an ideal world, not a realistic world being the key difference. In the good old days, you'd pull over and look at a map if you got lost or a passenger gave you guidelines.
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Pull up where?
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Which is clearly a distraction ie trying to concentrate on the road and also what's being said direction wise.
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Where did in an ideal world, rather than a realistic world get lost in the translation here, which has been my premise all along. |
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Well not really, as I've explained above.
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Now you're just being condescending.
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Bloody hell. Lots of assumptions and assertions there.
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Pull up where?
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If you need to ask that, I hope you don't drive.
There are lots of roads where it would be too busy, or too crowded with parked cars, or too dangerous or even against the law to pull up. By the time one has found a place that is safe then the driver could be a mile or more out of their way. Not every road in Britain is a quiet suburban back street with plenty of parking. Most major city centres are a prime example. Is that not something you can appreciate? |
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She could quite easily choke on a sweet while driving at 70mph.
What next? Forbidding conversation with the driver because it's distracting? Decades ago someone was pulled up by police for reaching over and giving his girlfriend a cuddle - at 10.30 at night with nothing else on the road doing 20mph! |
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Careful consideration of the link posted and its Source 26 sub-link, reveal that the OP's Premise is far from reasonable.
In fact, I would suggest that this whole thread's basis is merely Rabid Anti-Smoking Scaremongering and reflect some people's desire to ban, based on their own personal wishes, rather than any real concern over Road Safety. 101 Fatal Crashes were caused by In-Car and External Distraction from a total of 1469 Crashes. http://www.brake.org.uk/about/15-fac...stractionfacts Source 26: http://www.monash.edu/__data/assets/...7/muarc206.pdf pp 34-35 Tables 1 and 2 show that Smoking related risk is very small in these incidents. 0.9% and 2.1%, depending on which study is consulted. Since the risk from merely having another passenger is quoted as 10.9% and 8.7%, I conclude that multiple occupancy results in an increased risk of crash between 4 and 12 times worse than just smoking a cigarette. The absolute Crash risk of Smoking is very, very low. Please feel free to continue the fight along the lines of "If it saves one life, it must be banned" Ignoring any health damage and deaths the purist anti-smokers cause from their air pollution and based on their supposed concerns about road accidents, deaths and the reality, we should drive alone in complete silence and find somewhere to stop if we can't keep our eyes permanently glued to the road and both hands on the wheel. Why not just give up and stay indoors (where the majority of accidents actually happen )
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Probably more dangerous than anything else. If I dropped my phone between my legs whilst driving I'd leave it.. If I dropped a fag, I'd be scrambling to make a drifting halt across 3 lanes of traffic to grab it!
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No more silly signs about "We welcome careful drivers" right next to the one with actual important directions or speed limit on.
https://nationalsafetysigns.com.au/w...of-contact.png as additional safety advice, not just for Reliant Robin drivers. As for smoking, the 'safety' argument usually demonstrates how dumb people are. I think Harriet Harman called for a total car smoking ban because she thought smokers took both hands off the wheel to smoke.. But then ISTR she also drove into a parked car while on a mobile, which kinda proved my point. Banning children from cars would do more for road safety. |
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Would posters agree with me that holding a fag and trying to drive means you are not in full control of the car.
Importantly, and almost everyone will agree as they must have experience of this seeing this, EG, fag smokers/clowns throwing out fag ends out of their vehclie, more often than lot it lands harmlessly on the road, pavement but it can land on or in some ones car and damge theri seat/carpet or worse still land in a child seat. A while back a van driver threw out a fag end, dropped between the top of my bonnet and screen, smoke was still coming out of it was it was still lit, imagine i had the window open, easily landed in my car or people with children in baby seats at times drive with their window slightly ajar. Smoking and driving does not make sense and must be banned. More and more clowns that smoke throw out their fag end as most newer cars do not have ash trays. |
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Would posters agree with me that holding a fag and trying to drive means you are not in full control of the car.
Non-smokers can even try this for themselves. Take a convenient carrot stick and assume the position.. ie hold it like you would a cigarette. Close your eyes, and see if you can get the carrot in your mouth. If you can't do that, then smokers are the least of your driving worries. Quote:
EG, fag smokers/clowns throwing out fag ends out of their vehclie, more often than lot it lands harmlessly on the road, pavement but it can land on or in some ones car and damge theri seat/carpet or worse still land in a child seat.
That's usually only a risk if someone's driving closer to your bumper than they should be.. Or you're aiming it at them for that reason..
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Nope. It's very easy to stay in full control with a cigarette stuck between index and ring finger. It doesn't prevent you from having full control of your steering.
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That's usually only a risk if someone's driving closer to your bumper than they should be.. Or you're aiming it at them for that reason.
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Would posters agree with me that holding a fag and trying to drive means you are not in full control of the car.
Importantly, and almost everyone will agree as they must have experience of this seeing this, EG, fag smokers/clowns throwing out fag ends out of their vehclie, more often than lot it lands harmlessly on the road, pavement but it can land on or in some ones car and damge theri seat/carpet or worse still land in a child seat. A while back a van driver threw out a fag end, dropped between the top of my bonnet and screen, smoke was still coming out of it was it was still lit, imagine i had the window open, easily landed in my car or people with children in baby seats at times drive with their window slightly ajar. Smoking and driving does not make sense and must be banned. More and more clowns that smoke throw out their fag end as most newer cars do not have ash trays. |
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Good luck with the campaign. I'm sure this thread on DS will make a huge difference.
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Why doesn't someone invent an in-car hands free cigarette holder so that smokers can smoke while driving while keeping both hands on the wheel?
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You would say that. How on earth can you have full control in an emergency with a lit fag in your hand stuck between your fingers??
Are you for real? What I stated happens on dual carriage ways with built up traffic, vehicles side by side slow to stand stop moving traffic or are you going to tell me there are no dual carriageways in the UK that has relatively slow moving traffic between 20/30 mph? |
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Would posters agree with me that holding a fag and trying to drive means you are not in full control of the car.
Importantly, and almost everyone will agree as they must have experience of this seeing this, EG, fag smokers/clowns throwing out fag ends out of their vehclie, more often than lot it lands harmlessly on the road, pavement but it can land on or in some ones car and damge theri seat/carpet or worse still land in a child seat. A while back a van driver threw out a fag end, dropped between the top of my bonnet and screen, smoke was still coming out of it was it was still lit, imagine i had the window open, easily landed in my car or people with children in baby seats at times drive with their window slightly ajar. Smoking and driving does not make sense and must be banned. More and more clowns that smoke throw out their fag end as most newer cars do not have ash trays. Quote:
Btw, should have added this to my original post. A few months ago, hot summers day, my dad driving down dual carriage way, slow moving nose to tail traffic, about 25 mph, a van driver threw his fag end out and landed between the bonnet and plastic ducts where wiper are and smoke was coming out. The van driver my dad could not catch up with. But imagine, warm/hot days not everyone turns on air con and windows open and if your rear window was open a burning seat or if you had a child in a seat and the fag end landed in the child seat.
I'm sure others have similar example so more of a reason to BAN smoking in cars all together
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Would posters agree with me that holding a fag and trying to drive means you are not in full control of the car.
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Importantly, and almost everyone will agree as they must have experience of this seeing this, EG, fag smokers/clowns throwing out fag ends out of their vehclie, more often than lot it lands harmlessly on the road, pavement but it can land on or in some ones car and damge theri seat/carpet or worse still land in a child seat.
It doesn't take much imagination to dream up all kinds of scary scenarios. But before starting some kind of campaign to ban this or that you should really look in to the statistical probabilities. I understand you having a worrying experience and how that has skewed your perception. That isolated incident isn't justification enough to create a much bigger problem. Nicotine is addictive. Withdrawl causes all sorts of issues. There's a list here . When you call for a ban on smoking during driving because of the remote chance that a cigarette butt might end up in your car then I automatically weigh that against the increased risk of a serious road traffic accident because the driver is distracted by their longing for a cigarette at the end of a journey. In short then, do I want tired, irritable or anxious drivers piloting more than a tonne of metal at speed and in close proximity to other vehicles, pedestrians, cyclists etc just so you can feel safe because an infinitesimally smaller risk has been eliminated? The answer is a resounding No. Quote:
More and more clowns that smoke throw out their fag end as most newer cars do not have ash trays.
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Would posters agree with me that holding a fag and trying to drive means you are not in full control of the car.
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Smoking and driving does not make sense and must be banned.
Lets just ban you from leaving your house as you're a public menace!
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You would say that. How on earth can you have full control in an emergency with a lit fag in your hand stuck between your fingers??
But in any real emergency, the most that's likely to happen would be an unfortunate ash drop. Or if the airbags deployed, they'd stub the fag out anyway.. Or maybe the hot end would burn a hole in the bag so it's easier to deflate once recovered from the 'WTF?' moment. Quote:
Are you for real?
Most assuredly. And I even have a smoking jacket! Quote:
What I stated happens on dual carriage ways with built up traffic, vehicles side by side slow to stand stop moving traffic or are you going to tell me there are no dual carriageways in the UK that has relatively slow moving traffic between 20/30 mph?
Well, there's the M4.. But there's also a thing called 'gravity', and another thing called 'aerodynamics'. A car has better aerodynamics than a fag end, which means at low speeds, it's less likely to bother a car behind you..
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No.
Lets just ban you from leaving your house as you're a public menace! |
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I remember in the late Seventies and through most of the Eighties, both myself and the girl I used to take to work smoked on the way there. We were totally oblivious to what must have been the horrific stench from our clothes, but that was probably because you could hardly see across the office for smoke when you got there.
I can remember going to flick the end of my cigarette through the open car window, when the entire lit end became detached and went down my open necked shirt. |
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I can remember going to flick the end of my cigarette through the open car window, when the entire lit end became detached and went down my open necked shirt. These parasites that throw their fag ends out of cars and that about 99% of them as most cars last several years don't have ash tray. I wonder what state the property they live in is. Smoking and driving is a big no, no. Then these clowns not just little our roads/pavements with their garbage but put at risk other road users against by the danger of their fag end dropping in someone else's car, or someone's child's pushchair/pram as they travel along the pavement. |
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