I dont lie and the example i gave EG a fag end landing on my car between the bonnet and windscreen - if i had my window open it would have landed in my car, it was a dual carriageway traffic slow moving varying from stop to about 20mph

Why do the vast majority of smokers throw out their fag end - is it behttp://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=84931210#cause hardly any cars have an ashtray since the last 6/7 years? These clowns must be fined and 6 penalty points on their licence, if they have one.

the tac burnded will then be move to us ie the hard working tax payers re loss of income for the gov and fag selling will go underground, so more crime. I suggest smoking is banned in cars and public, public places and those that smoke must smoke in their property with all doors and windows closed and have a shower and washed clothes before they go out.

Clowns defy bans and take dogs to parks to crap?
They're everywhere, is there anywhere safe left? Dear lord will someone thing of the poor unsuspecting children and their clown phobias!!

I'm amazed clowns can fit dogs in their tiny cars.

Actually, no, most modern cars no longer have ashtrays or built in lighters.
......you usually have to pay extra for an optional smokers pack when buying a new car.

So in 99% of cases today, drivers who smoke have to not only smoke, but light up with a hand held lighter, as well as dispose of their ash etc out the window.

Just as dangerous as fiddling with a phone.

Or not

As a hard working, tax paying smoker, I'm more than happy for the tax burden to be moved to you by making smoking illegal. You'll notice it, not me.

How exactly are you planning to police people smoking in their cars? It's illegal to smoke weed, people manage it. In public, in cars. So how do you police me smoking in my car or in an alley in the town?

As for smokers having a shower and clean clothes before they leave the house, I wouldn't mind if all non-smokers did the same but life's a bitch

Truly, I am berating myself for responding to a troll however......I trust you apply all these rules to those who douse themselves in perfume and aftershave, and men who *gasp* wear suits two days on the trot without drycleaning them

So you are suggesting that British American Tobacco - and all the companies and offices it owns across the world - along with all the employees, and Imperial Tobacco, again with the companies and employees across the world, close down, making a huge number of people worldwide (in BAT's case 50,000 people, Imperial Tobacco 37,000) unemployed.

Sounds like a plan to me

I admitted to being a smoker and I drive a Merc - an automatic Merc at that


Your posts are getting more and more muddled. Have you been drinking by any chance?

but they'd be replaced with 200,000 street dealers

Drunk in charge of a phone by the looks of it.

I tried Google translate on a few of her posts but it won't translate Martian.

Someone has to. But my fun car used to have it's original rally steering, so about 1 turn lock to lock. If I fitted that back, wonder if it'd make smoking safer as I wouldn't have to move the steering wheel so much?


An empty bottle may be the explanation, or she tried my carrot suggestion and managed to hit both eyes..

not for anyone on here, people on HERE don`t have accidents caused by a momentary lapse in attention, they`re all FAR too clever for that.

It's patently ridiculous to suggest that flicking ash out of a window, even lighting a fag, is anywhere near as fiddly and dangerous as messing about with a mobile phone, unless you have some serious co-ordination issues, in which case you should not be driving at all.

ANY lapse in concentration can cause you to have an accident, to suggest anything else is clearly ridiculous and is the kind of cocky that precedes many accidents.

I said that back on page one, if you can't smoke and drive at the same time, you really shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel. I don't know what else there is to say really, I'm amazed this thread has so many posts.

Simple answer And both complete with ash trays.

all those who smoke should focus on the automatic things they do that they don`t notice next time they spark up, like looking down at the cigarette end when they`re lighting it and turning your head to make sure you`re aiming out of the window.

that`s without hunting for the smoke and lighter in the first place, you`re either going to be reaching down and searching or, more likely you will be looking down for both, even if you don`t think you do.

i am neutral about banning it but to say it`s not a cause of a loss of concentration really is thick.

It's pesky divil clowns the OP is deeeeeply concerned about though. Apparently they're now taking over the roads (and parks) and they don't look like they have much coordination to me either.

I'm alright.. I just ask the kids light me one up.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

That's back to my carrot suggestion. Non-smokers might not appreciate the habit/routine aspect of smoking. So ciggies in a convenient place, same with lighter. Mouth is a fixed location (well, with most people) and conveniently close to the eyeballs, so lighting isn't really a distraction and can be done without taking your eyes off the road, or both hands off the wheel. Same with windows. They're always in the same place, so once you've figured out optimum opening for speed, it's not hard finding the window.

But that's also a problem with the OP's concerns. Driver sits on the right. We drive on the left. So unless prams are in the middle of the road, chances of a fag-end landing in it are rather low.

ps.. Actually, this could be a reason to ban foreign smokers with their dangerous LHD vehicles..

i smoked for decades, you`re deluded.