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Old 18-12-2016, 02:52
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All the dislike on this forum for the AMAZING WONDERFUL GLORIOUS KEVIN CLIFTON makes me cry

What a lovely man and teacher,, it's not his fault he gets good celebs. I'd marry him in a heartbeat.
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Old 18-12-2016, 03:12
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All the dislike on this forum for the AMAZING WONDERFUL GLORIOUS KEVIN CLIFTON makes me cry

What a lovely man and teacher,, it's not his fault he gets good celebs. I'd marry him in a heartbeat.
Don't get too overwrought, Karen. I don't think you have too many rivals.
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Old 18-12-2016, 07:34
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I feel a tad bit sorry for Kevin. He has lost the final four times. I still think that he should get a duffer for next year.
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Old 18-12-2016, 07:56
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He might be the nicest, sweetest man who ever walked the earth....... but that doesn't take away from the fact that he hasn't managed to engage with the voting public well enough to give him the win on this show.

If he chooses/ is chosen to stay for next year, he really needs to tell the producers to give him a duffer to partner, as apart from his first year when his partner was probably the reason he didn't get the votes (she was too Marmite), he has been given a contender - something no other pro has been given. It's not fair that the other dancers have to deal with the less able candidates year after year whilst he gets handed a ticket to the final four years on the trot.

Having to deal with an Edwina Currie, Esther Rantzen or Gloria Hunniford next year would go a long way to rehabilitating him with the viewers, as would the recognition by the judges that he and his partners make errors which are penalised when others make the, but ignored when Kevin does!

Come on producers - give the guy a break and let him rehabilitate himself in the ranks of the also rans for a couple of years.

Incidentally - Joanne and Ore were worthy winners last night.... 3 absolutely amazing dances performed with heard and soul in every move.
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Old 18-12-2016, 08:31
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I like Kevin too. Poor Kev!
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Old 18-12-2016, 08:34
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Whilst not quite on the same level as the OP, I too like Kevin, have done since he first appeared. Yes I'm dissapointed he didn't win again. I am still of the opinion that he is by far the best choreographer in the show at the moment.

I don't think he will get a duffer next year, because of his skill and his reputation on the show.

BTW if he isn't so popular with the public how come he has only ever been in one dance off in four years? The public vote got Louise out of the bottom two last week. So maybe next year

And sorry all the vitriol against Kevin is part of the reason I do not join in on this forum as much as I used to.
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Old 18-12-2016, 08:47
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Whilst not quite on the same level as the OP, I too like Kevin, have done since he first appeared. Yes I'm dissapointed he didn't win again. I am still of the opinion that he is by far the best choreographer in the show at the moment.

I don't think he will get a duffer next year, because of his skill and his reputation on the show.

BTW if he isn't so popular with the public how come he has only ever been in one dance off in four years? The public vote got Louise out of the bottom two last week. So maybe next year

And sorry all the vitriol against Kevin is part of the reason I do not join in on this forum as much as I used to.
He's far more popular in the 'real' world ! One dance off is an exceptionally good indicator of his popularity.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:19
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He might be the nicest, sweetest man who ever walked the earth....... but that doesn't take away from the fact that he hasn't managed to engage with the voting public well enough to give him the win on this show..
I don't think that's his fault. Most people would vote for their favourite celebrity/partnership not their favourite pro... it might help if a pro is popular but I don't think it would change the winner. For example I love Kevin but I didn't vote for him & Louise once this series because Louise didn't interest me... it wasn't because of Kevin

I agree with the rest of your comment though, it would be nice and different to see him with a 'dud' contestant but regardless I love him on the show.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:24
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He might be the nicest, sweetest man who ever walked the earth....... but that doesn't take away from the fact that he hasn't managed to engage with the voting public well enough to give him the win on this show.

If he chooses/ is chosen to stay for next year, he really needs to tell the producers to give him a duffer to partner, as apart from his first year when his partner was probably the reason he didn't get the votes (she was too Marmite), he has been given a contender - something no other pro has been given. It's not fair that the other dancers have to deal with the less able candidates year after year whilst he gets handed a ticket to the final four years on the trot.

Having to deal with an Edwina Currie, Esther Rantzen or Gloria Hunniford next year would go a long way to rehabilitating him with the viewers, as would the recognition by the judges that he and his partners make errors which are penalised when others make the, but ignored when Kevin does!

Come on producers - give the guy a break and let him rehabilitate himself in the ranks of the also rans for a couple of years.

Incidentally - Joanne and Ore were worthy winners last night.... 3 absolutely amazing dances performed with heard and soul in every move.
AJ got a contender in his first year.
Is that privilege only for the British though?!
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:28
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He might be the nicest, sweetest man who ever walked the earth....... but that doesn't take away from the fact that he hasn't managed to engage with the voting public well enough to give him the win on this show.
I cannot see any evidence that the pro, by engaging with the audience, wins Strictly - it's the celeb, or just possibly the pairing. This forum, in my opinion, massively over-emphasizes the role of the pro in winning. Also, you need a celeb of the right type, in Kevin's case a 30-ish woman who can dance. He won't win with a 40-ish partner - no-one else has.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:55
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I cannot see any evidence that the pro, by engaging with the audience, wins Strictly - it's the celeb, or just possibly the pairing. This forum, in my opinion, massively over-emphasizes the role of the pro in winning. Also, you need a celeb of the right type, in Kevin's case a 30-ish woman who can dance. He won't win with a 40-ish partner - no-one else has.
Seconded to the max. I think we forget in the wide world - people know Brendan, Anton and Kevin and they I think like them no other pro is really someone who registers with them and they don't vote for the pro they vote for the celeb. I'm influenced by the pro (in that I'm more likely to root for someone with a pro I particularly like or one that hasn't really had a chance before and this ) but it is mostly the celeb I root for or don't and I'm a minority in the pro even being a influence at all.
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:08
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I can't see the point of anyone on here having a go at any of the professionals, who are just doing their job, teaching and presenting their partner to the best of their ability.
It just so happens some are better at it than others.
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:09
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I feel a tad bit sorry for Kevin. He has lost the final four times. I still think that he should get a duffer for next year.
I think his partners may have had an effect though . None of them have been super popular .Kelly Bright most certainly drew some shocking brickbats on here for daring to live up to her name and be bubbly and loud . Then Louise . Perfectly nice woman got labeled mumsy and beige and accused of dressing like a granny . Those are the milder 'insults' .
So it's as much to do with his partners as about him . Women get treated very harshly in my opinion , much more harshly than men . T'was always so and unlikely to change .
He could dance with a woman who rescued 45 children from a burning orphanage and she'd still get slammed for being too chubby/loud/thin/mumsy/beige/ or for not rescuing the orphanage cat . Kevin is not cool and doesn't have a sexy foreign take-me-to-bed accent or a rippling swarthy torso either, like many of the other pro guys .
They should give him a male partner next year . Yep , a nice gay man with fabulous looks and def with a cute accent . That way he'd be guaranteed to win .
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:14
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I cannot see any evidence that the pro, by engaging with the audience, wins Strictly - it's the celeb, or just possibly the pairing. This forum, in my opinion, massively over-emphasizes the role of the pro in winning. Also, you need a celeb of the right type, in Kevin's case a 30-ish woman who can dance. He won't win with a 40-ish partner - no-one else has.
However, if the Pro does not produce the right choreography, the celebrity is hampered.
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:23
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AJ got a contender in his first year.
Is that privilege only for the British though?!
NO Aljaz won first season
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:26
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All the dislike on this forum for the AMAZING WONDERFUL GLORIOUS KEVIN CLIFTON makes me cry

What a lovely man and teacher,, it's not his fault he gets good celebs. I'd marry him in a heartbeat.
see my post on how he can be a winner next year on t'other thread!!
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:28
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I feel a tad bit sorry for Kevin. He has lost the final four times. I still think that he should get a duffer for next year.
so you don't feel THAT sorry for him then...
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:34
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However, if the Pro does not produce the right choreography, the celebrity is hampered.
His choreography is excellent most of the time . But he has a tiny crew of non-likers who will criticise everything he does . Examples.
Too fast
Too slow.
Too twee.
Too action-man.
Too much content.
Not enough content .
His receding hairline is evident (oh how hilarious) .
He smiles too much at the judges.
He sulks at the judges comments.
He scowls in hidden corners.
He takes over in the Clauditoreum. EVERY . SINGLE. TIME .
He has flounced from the Clauditoreum .(might be in the loo, but why spoil a good potshot).

It's relentless, but unfortunately his non-fans are very very verbose and tend to feed off each others' negative comments so it looks like there are more than there actually are . Group think ? Probably .
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:36
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His choreography is excellent most of the time . But he has a tiny crew of non-likers who will criticise everything he does . Examples.
Too fast
Too slow.
Too twee.
Too action-man.
Too much content.
Not enough content .
His receding hairline is evident (oh how hilarious) .
He smiles too much at the judges.
He sulks at the judges comments.
He scowls in hidden corners.
He takes over in the Clauditoreum. EVERY . SINGLE. TIME .
He has flounced from the Clauditoreum .(might be in the loo, but why spoil a good potshot).

It's relentless, but unfortunately his non-fans are very very verbose and tend to feed off each others' negative comments so it looks like there are more than there actually are . Group think ? Probably .
but apart from that they think he's ok...right?
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:41
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I think his partners may have had an effect though . None of them have been super popular .Kelly Bright most certainly drew some shocking brickbats on here for daring to live up to her name and be bubbly and loud . Then Louise . Perfectly nice woman got labeled mumsy and beige and accused of dressing like a granny . Those are the milder 'insults' .
So it's as much to do with his partners as about him . Women get treated very harshly in my opinion , much more harshly than men . T'was always so and unlikely to change .
He could dance with a woman who rescued 45 children from a burning orphanage and she'd still get slammed for being too chubby/loud/thin/mumsy/beige/ or for not rescuing the orphanage cat . Kevin is not cool and doesn't have a sexy foreign take-me-to-bed accent or a rippling swarthy torso either, like many of the other pro guys .
They should give him a male partner next year . Yep , a nice gay man with fabulous looks and def with a cute accent . That way he'd be guaranteed to win .
I disagree completely people loved Alesha, Kara, Jill, Caroline heck they even loved Natasha to begin with and much though I don't agree with them the majority loved Abbey. If you look at the reaction on here to any celeb you'll find hatus - Ore's an insinecere waterfountain, Danny's a dirty ringah who is boring and arrogant, Judge Rinder a gurning diva who couldn't bear anyone else having attention, Greg a talentless hormone magnet with a raging temper (that we saw no evidence of) who wasn't even entertaining, Ed was dangerous to Katya, lazy and didn't give a crap, Will a spoiled brat who stomped off because he couldn't bear 'honest' critisism and the fact other people were better than him and Melvin only escaped because he was too dull to remember although he got to dance at Crimbo because of political correctness gone mad. Didn't I leave any of this year's dudes out and I'm sure I could do this for any year there was enough vitroil against guys like Jay, Louis and Matt DA to fill entire threads.

In short I'm a feminist and have the scars of arguing with douches on You Tube to prove it but I support MRAs that dudes don't always have it easy either and certainly not on here in the immortal words of Len - give over.
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:51
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His choreography is excellent most of the time . But he has a tiny crew of non-likers who will criticise everything he does . Examples.
Too fast
Too slow.
Too twee.
Too action-man.
Too much content.
Not enough content .
His receding hairline is evident (oh how hilarious) .
He smiles too much at the judges.
He sulks at the judges comments.
He scowls in hidden corners.
He takes over in the Clauditoreum. EVERY . SINGLE. TIME .
He has flounced from the Clauditoreum .(might be in the loo, but why spoil a good potshot).

It's relentless, but unfortunately his non-fans are very very verbose and tend to feed off each others' negative comments so it looks like there are more than there actually are . Group think ? Probably .
Brendan and Sophie is a perfect example of a pro getting it wrong. Hugely popular partnership right up to the final show, then a disco style show dance and "bye bye Sophie".
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:08
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His choreography is excellent most of the time . But he has a tiny crew of non-likers who will criticise everything he does . Examples.
Too fast
Too slow.
Too twee.
Too action-man.
Too much content.
Not enough content .
His receding hairline is evident (oh how hilarious) .
He smiles too much at the judges.
He sulks at the judges comments.
He scowls in hidden corners.
He takes over in the Clauditoreum. EVERY . SINGLE. TIME .
He has flounced from the Clauditoreum .(might be in the loo, but why spoil a good potshot).

It's relentless, but unfortunately his non-fans are very very verbose and tend to feed off each others' negative comments so it looks like there are more than there actually are . Group think ? Probably .

BiB - absolutely, but if anyone should dare to object to their going on and on and ON about how much they dislike him, they whinge like mad.
Apparently it's OK for them to be relentlessly repetitive tedious, but it's not OK to post that you find them so.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:42
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AJ got a contender in his first year.
Is that privilege only for the British though?!
Aljaz got Abbey Clancy, Giovanni got Georgia, Trent got Pixie...
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:44
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but apart from that they think he's ok...right?
Yep . A mass secret crush . Like when you pull the pigtails of the girl you fancy in primary school .

BiB - absolutely, but if anyone should dare to object to their going on and on and ON about how much they dislike him, they whinge like mad.
Apparently it's OK for them to be relentlessly repetitive tedious, but it's not OK to post that you find them so.
Don't get me wrong , it's fine to dislike someone . That's human nature . Sniping at a pro or celeb is fine (lord knows I do it myself) , but there is something tragic about posting thread after thread, year after year about how awful someone is physically , mentally and in every way possible when there is nothing actually outstandingly horrible about the person . No rumours of temper tantrums, no flirting , no cheating, no bitching about anything or anyone . It's quite bizarre how ordinary this demon man is .
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:05
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All the dislike on this forum for the AMAZING WONDERFUL GLORIOUS KEVIN CLIFTON makes me cry

What a lovely man and teacher,, it's not his fault he gets good celebs. I'd marry him in a heartbeat.
Don't worry love he is all yours....in fact you are welcome to them all.
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