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Old 18-12-2016, 20:53
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I've watched loads of YouTube clips of Strictly, by lots of different couples.

I've never voted for anyone in any series of Strictly.

There is no correlation between views of YouTube and how people vote.
Its no real guide...ed balls has 700k views for gangnam style alone on you tube and came sixth.
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Old 18-12-2016, 20:53
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Anyway, I do find it rather odd that two weeks after he was in the B2 he wins it....
Did you find it odd when the same thing happened to Alesha Dixon in her series.
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Old 18-12-2016, 20:56
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3 times? I though it was twice?

Anyway, I do find it rather odd that two weeks after he was in the B2 he wins it....

Though that now-infamous semi final, with the loaded Ore votes putting him top (somehow) with the judges and the Claudia put downs at the same time massively helped his cause.
Would you have found it equally odd if Danny had won, the week after being in the B2, as he was last week?
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Old 18-12-2016, 21:00
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Quite a few past winners were in the B2 at some point. What matters is how they perform in the final and Ore and Joanne hit the ground running and deservedly won.

It's the final public vote that counts not anything that went before it.
Very true...although the judges shameless rigging of the semi final certainly didn't do his cause any harm.
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Old 18-12-2016, 21:02
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Ultimately, whoever won last night, one of the following rules of Strictly would have been broken:

1. Nobody who's been in the dance-off more than once can win.
2. Nobody who's obviously a massive ringer can win.
3. Kevin Clifton will always, always finish joint second.

Rule #1 was the easiest to break, so Ore won.
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Old 18-12-2016, 21:03
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Would you have found it equally odd if Danny had won, the week after being in the B2, as he was last week?
tbh...yes...I thought louise was going to win. I mistakenly thought that as she hadn't hit the 'trap door' once, never mind twice, she would win it. Always thought that it was a big ask for danny to come from behind both of them from the week before.
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Old 18-12-2016, 21:13
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Didn't rig the result.
All right, so Ore got the most votes on the night, which is the criterium, even though hypothetically these votes could have come from less people.
Yes, absolutely. If you have people that happily make 50+ votes compared to those that just use the free votes or make one call.
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Old 18-12-2016, 21:18
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tbh...yes...I thought louise was going to win. I mistakenly thought that as she hadn't hit the 'trap door' once, never mind twice, she would win it. Always thought that it was a big ask for danny to come from behind both of them from the week before.
I genuinely didn't think I could call this at all. I was out last night so didn't see the show until this afternoon.

I kind of thought Danny had it in the bag until last weekend and I was surprised that he was in the B2 with Claudia.

I actually thought Claudia danced better than he did - and more so in the dance-off - but I thought, having scraped through, he'd up his game for the final. In fact however, it seemed that the sense of occasion got the better of him and I really didn't think he looked comfortable at all - particularly not in the show dance.

Louise just did not convince me at all. She danced well but nothing special really.

Ore just nailed it for me in the end but as much as anything he seemed very footsure with the actual routines... so it was mostly about selling each dance - which he undoubtedly did.
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Old 18-12-2016, 22:22
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Oti's choreography is usually good, but I really believe she misjudged the audience taste. Contemporary dance is like marmite, I personally don't enjoy it.
To be fair, any kind of dancing is like marmite - some people hate the traditional ballroom Jo did for her showdance choreography (personally I love both it and contemporary).

Nothing will be universally liked, it all just depends on whose dancing is most popular with those who vote - remember probably as many people watch and don't vote as those who do, and some people vote once and others rack up ridiculous phone bills. Each to their own.
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Old 18-12-2016, 23:41
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Didn't rig the result.
All right, so Ore got the most votes on the night, which is the criterium, even though hypothetically these votes could have come from less people.
Nearly 12 million people watched the final, and, as online voting is free, a large percentage probably voted. Most of these 12 million do not go on forums, on Youtube, on Twitter, etc. - they simply watch a TV programme. Fans make up a vocal minority. On the night Ore and Joanne danced two quite traditional dances which likely appealed more to the audience, the majority of which is over 55. Plus a couple million more people tuned in for the Final and thus were just voting on what they had seen that night
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Old 18-12-2016, 23:47
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Nearly 12 million people watched the final, and, as online voting is free, a large percentage probably voted. Most of these 12 million do not go on forums, on Youtube, on Twitter, etc. - they simply watch a TV programme. Fans make up a vocal minority. On the night Ore and Joanne danced two quite traditional dances which likely appealed more to the audience, the majority of which is over 55. Plus a couple million more people tuned in for the Final and thus were just voting on what they had seen that night
Exactly my thoughts.
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Old 19-12-2016, 07:34
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Nearly 12 million people watched the final, and, as online voting is free, a large percentage probably voted. Most of these 12 million do not go on forums, on Youtube, on Twitter, etc. - they simply watch a TV programme. Fans make up a vocal minority. On the night Ore and Joanne danced two quite traditional dances which likely appealed more to the audience, the majority of which is over 55. Plus a couple million more people tuned in for the Final and thus were just voting on what they had seen that night
also...

Apparently there were 35% of voters who hadn't made up their mind who they would be voting for. These voting floaters were up for grabs & obviously Ore got the lion share of these
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Old 19-12-2016, 09:09
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Ore is not the first winner to be in the bottom 2 and then go on to win, he is the first to be in the bottom 2 twice that has won. The truth of the matter is that you only have to win by one vote to win overall and lots of factors are at play.

We know for a fact that Ore got more votes than Danny in the Semi Final. This to me, shows that perhaps the voting numbers were quite close every week.

More people vote in the final than at other points in the show.

I think that Oti got the showdance wrong, it was yet another wafty lyrical number with not as much wow as their American Smooth the week before. Its contemporary style isn't for everyone. Add to this that Joanne coreographed a straight up ballroom hollywood style showdance which not only suited Ore's strengths it was also more likely to appeal to the viewing public as ballroom dancing is at the heart of the show.

However the bottom line is the vote and on the night more people voted for Ore than Danny or Louise and thats why he won.
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Old 19-12-2016, 09:37
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Ore is not the first winner to be in the bottom 2 and then go on to win, he is the first to be in the bottom 2 twice that has won. The truth of the matter is that you only have to win by one vote to win overall and lots of factors are at play.

We know for a fact that Ore got more votes than Danny in the Semi Final. This to me, shows that perhaps the voting numbers were quite close every week.

More people vote in the final than at other points in the show.

I think that Oti got the showdance wrong, it was yet another wafty lyrical number with not as much wow as their American Smooth the week before. Its contemporary style isn't for everyone. Add to this that Joanne coreographed a straight up ballroom hollywood style showdance which not only suited Ore's strengths it was also more likely to appeal to the viewing public as ballroom dancing is at the heart of the show.

However the bottom line is the vote and on the night more people voted for Ore than Danny or Louise and thats why he won.
^^This

adding to the facts that Ore also looked more confident and relax during his routines, maybe that Ore knew he was the underdog going into the final so he had nothing to lose.

Louise came over as happy to be just in the final & Danny looked nervous & it showed in his dancing.
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Old 19-12-2016, 09:45
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Nearly 12 million people watched the final, and, as online voting is free, a large percentage probably voted. Most of these 12 million do not go on forums, on Youtube, on Twitter, etc. - they simply watch a TV programme. Fans make up a vocal minority. On the night Ore and Joanne danced two quite traditional dances which likely appealed more to the audience, the majority of which is over 55. Plus a couple million more people tuned in for the Final and thus were just voting on what they had seen that night
May I ask where you got that info from?
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Old 19-12-2016, 12:25
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May I ask where you got that info from?
Guess they got that information the same place as the person earlier in the thread claiming it was all the 14 year old girls that voted for Ore...

Interestingly DS own poll about who deserved to win has Ore comfortably ahead, so I guess they are in on the fix too. How deep does this conspiracy go?
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Old 19-12-2016, 13:29
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Guess they got that information the same place as the person earlier in the thread claiming it was all the 14 year old girls that voted for Ore...

Interestingly DS own poll about who deserved to win has Ore comfortably ahead, so I guess they are in on the fix too. How deep does this conspiracy go?
Lol
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Old 19-12-2016, 13:57
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Total shameful scam. A slap in Oti's face. I am disgusted by this.
They did not allow Artem to win the second time and were against Aliona; however, Jay's unprecedented popularity and Aliona's insider's experience, as well as her husband's status, prevented them from manipulating the votes, no matter how hard they tried.
This year it was a BBC employee AND a Clifton who were slated to win, and every shameful effort was put into it: turning a blind eye to Ore's stumbles and awarding him 10s while punishing the best dancer for non-existing mistakes; trying to pit Claudia's fans against Danny's supporters (it worked in the past with Matt's and Gethin's voters); bigging up Joanne and her plagiarized choreography, etc. etc.
When nothing works, there is a last resort: "technical problems" conveniently orchestrated around the semifinal and the final time.
I called this game a month ago noting that BBC was killing two birds (three birds, actually) with one throw: stop the racism accusations, reward their employee, and give a farewell gift to Len by awarding a Clifton with the 2016 Mirror Ball. The former SCD professionals predicted this outcome, too.
Disgusting. The only consolation is the the head puppet master is retiring, and since I stopped watching DWTS some time ago I will never hear his sophomoric "jokes" again.
I note the time of your post ..... did you write this immediately after coming in from an all nighter? get a grip!!
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Old 19-12-2016, 14:00
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3 times so was unpopular with the public, and then he wins hmmm.... I refuse to believe he topped the votes, it is a scam, release the voting figures so we can see the evidence
Its true.

Whenever something happens that someone doesn't agree with, the only possible explanation is that it was fixed.

It couldn't possibly just be that, by the time it got down to the last three...

a. more people liked him because he was actually very good
b. it was pretty close by then
c. votes for people who had been voted off would transfer to people still left in the competition
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Old 19-12-2016, 14:01
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Total shameful scam. A slap in Oti's face. I am disgusted by this.
They did not allow Artem to win the second time and were against Aliona; however, Jay's unprecedented popularity and Aliona's insider's experience, as well as her husband's status, prevented them from manipulating the votes, no matter how hard they tried.
This year it was a BBC employee AND a Clifton who were slated to win, and every shameful effort was put into it: turning a blind eye to Ore's stumbles and awarding him 10s while punishing the best dancer for non-existing mistakes; trying to pit Claudia's fans against Danny's supporters (it worked in the past with Matt's and Gethin's voters); bigging up Joanne and her plagiarized choreography, etc. etc.
When nothing works, there is a last resort: "technical problems" conveniently orchestrated around the semifinal and the final time.
I called this game a month ago noting that BBC was killing two birds (three birds, actually) with one throw: stop the racism accusations, reward their employee, and give a farewell gift to Len by awarding a Clifton with the 2016 Mirror Ball. The former SCD professionals predicted this outcome, too.
Disgusting. The only consolation is the the head puppet master is retiring, and since I stopped watching DWTS some time ago I will never hear his sophomoric "jokes" again.
What actually are you talking about?

Who are "they" - the Illuminati?

And are you drunk?
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Old 19-12-2016, 14:01
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I've watched loads of YouTube clips of Strictly, by lots of different couples.

I've never voted for anyone in any series of Strictly.

There is no correlation between views of YouTube and how people vote.
The You Tube clip I probabaly watch as much if not more than any other is this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAZ0nOmfWwY. It doesn't mean it should have won.
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Old 19-12-2016, 16:19
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as far as the Producers are concerned the only agenda is get the highest ratings they can, controversy is the name of game it pulls viewers in,

the Judges aren't above a bit of manipulation as witnessed last year with Peter Andre,
the final is out of everyone's control it's down to the viewers,
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Old 19-12-2016, 16:38
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People need to understand that this is NOT a dance contest and hever has been. So long as the public has a vote, it's only a popularity contest. Period. If it were honestly about the best dancer, Ed Balls and Judge Rinder would never have made it as far as they did. So why is the final any different?

Personally, I voted for Ore because I liked his dances, however I wouldn't have complained if any of the three (Danny, Louise, or Ore) had won. They were all good and all deserved to win.
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Old 19-12-2016, 16:38
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Its true.

Whenever something happens that someone doesn't agree with, the only possible explanation is that it was fixed.

It couldn't possibly just be that, by the time it got down to the last three...

a. more people liked him because he was actually very good
b. it was pretty close by then
c. votes for people who had been voted off would transfer to people still left in the competition
This. I really think that Danny was the slight favourite going in to the final. But mucking up his QS didn't help and then his showdance - which though amazing - was up against a straight Hollywood ballroom classic from Jo that Ore sold totally. I had 12 online votes from 2 accounts and gave Ore 8 and Danny 4. If Danny had hit the QS I might have thrown them 6 a piece. I seriously think the final was up for grabs and Ore just went for it with guns blazing!!
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Old 19-12-2016, 17:13
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This. I really think that Danny was the slight favourite going in to the final. But mucking up his QS didn't help and then his showdance - which though amazing - was up against a straight Hollywood ballroom classic from Jo that Ore sold totally. I had 12 online votes from 2 accounts and gave Ore 8 and Danny 4. If Danny had hit the QS I might have thrown them 6 a piece. I seriously think the final was up for grabs and Ore just went for it with guns blazing!!
Ore had nothing to lose, he went into the final as the underdog, almost everyone wrote him off.

Ore danced as if he wanted to win, full of confidence & to enjoy the whole experience.

Danny nerves seem to have got to him, the pressure of living up to the past weeks to perform maybe too much for him.

Louise came across as if she was just happy to be in the final.
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