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RMT leader - bring down the Government and bring in Socialism
A militant union leader behind the rail strikes causing chaos for millions says unions are co-ordinating action to “bring down this bloody working-class-hating Tory government”.
Sean Hoyle, president of the RMT, declared that “rule No 1” for his union, whose members have held a string of strikes on the beleaguered Southern rail network, was to “strive to replace the capitalist system with a socialist order”, telling a meeting of hard-left activists last month, “if we all spit together we can drown the bastards”. Details of his comments, made in a series of recent speeches, come as Britain faces a Christmas of transport chaos, with a wave of strikes this week and into the new year. The RMT has balloted for strikes 56 times in 2016 — equivalent to more than once a week — and as the industrial unrest spreads, videos have emerged of speeches made by Hoyle in which he suggests the militancy is part of a wider political campaign. At a meeting in Brighton in September, Hoyle referred to a report in The Sunday Times that hard-left unions including his own were “co-ordinating to bring the government down . . . Shock horror. Guess what? We bloody are,” he said. “Any trade unionist with any sense wants to bring down this bloody working-class-hating Tory government. That’s what we want to do. That’s what we’re about.” http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...ries-c0hm3r3sh Not sure it's the place of a Union to try and bring down an elected government? Perhaps others feel differently. |
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The Sunday Times
aka The Sun for people who think they're above reading The Sun aka The Tory Times. |
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The Sunday Times
aka The Sun for people who think they're above reading The Sun aka The Tory Times. I guess you can't bring yourself to discuss the words mentioned by this person. |
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Hmm. A union leader elected by a few thousand wants to bring down a government elected by millions over a dispute about who closes the doors.
The left in the UK have become a bit Monty Python these days. |
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Well for a strike to go ahead there are laws and rules must be followed. And companies can go to court and try to have the strike stopped and classed as illegal.
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Shooting the messenger, not the message. Tell me, what happened to the strike happy British Leyland workers? The miners?
I grew up in Easington and remember the day the miners marched back to work behind their banners. I was just a teenager at the time and even I could see that it was a laughably empty gesture. Within weeks many of them were at the front of the queue cashing in on their generous redundancy payments. |
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I'm sure Jezza totally agrees with Sean Hoyle !
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I'm sure Jezza totally agrees with Sean Hoyle !
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Earlier this year... Labour's John McDonnell has backed thousands of teachers and nurses to walk out on strike and vowed to bring down the Government through direct action.
In an incendiary speech, the Shadow Chancellor said the era of Labour leaders refusing to back strike action is “over”. And the avowed Marxist told crowds they could “bring this Government down” before the 2020 election. |
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I'm sure Jezza totally agrees with Sean Hoyle !
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Looks like he's had a slapdown from the RMT general secretary
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38357582 Mr Cash said he was "not interested" in RMT president Sean Hoyle's comments, which were reportedly made at a "fringe political meeting". Mr Cash told Pienaar's Politics on BBC Radio 5 live: "We are a serious industrial trade union, and we are not part of some conspiracy to bring the government down - we are focusing on the concerns our members have over safety on the railways." He continued: "The person who speaks for the RMT is the general secretary, and that's me. - Perhaps Sean Hoyle should try and connect with union members rather than fighting his own egotistical battles. |
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A militant union leader behind the rail strikes causing chaos for millions says unions are co-ordinating action to “bring down this bloody working-class-hating Tory government”.
Sean Hoyle, president of the RMT, declared that “rule No 1” for his union, whose members have held a string of strikes on the beleaguered Southern rail network, was to “strive to replace the capitalist system with a socialist order”, telling a meeting of hard-left activists last month, “if we all spit together we can drown the bastards”. Details of his comments, made in a series of recent speeches, come as Britain faces a Christmas of transport chaos, with a wave of strikes this week and into the new year. The RMT has balloted for strikes 56 times in 2016 — equivalent to more than once a week — and as the industrial unrest spreads, videos have emerged of speeches made by Hoyle in which he suggests the militancy is part of a wider political campaign. At a meeting in Brighton in September, Hoyle referred to a report in The Sunday Times that hard-left unions including his own were “co-ordinating to bring the government down . . . Shock horror. Guess what? We bloody are,” he said. “Any trade unionist with any sense wants to bring down this bloody working-class-hating Tory government. That’s what we want to do. That’s what we’re about.” http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...ries-c0hm3r3sh Not sure it's the place of a Union to try and bring down an elected government? Perhaps others feel differently. |
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Union wants to bring down a Tory government, Tory government wants to destroy the unions.
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Any person or group is entitled to try and bring down any government by legal means.
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Any person or group is entitled to try and bring down any government by legal means.
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Good for him. Up the workers. Let's get the red flag flying here.
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They wanted even bother to ask him. He does what his paymasters tell him.
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How is this all meant to work ?
So the rail unions go on strike, the 3.15 from Sevenoaks is cancelled and the Government flee to their country estates as train drivers march into Downing Street and divvy up the Cabinet portfolios ? |
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Shooting the messenger, not the message. Tell me, what happened to the strike happy British Leyland workers? The miners?
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Hopeless response. I am embarrassed for you.
I guess you can't bring yourself to discuss the words mentioned by this person. If you're still too blinded to understand how Murdoch's political media empire works I suggest you should probably stop responding by trying to undermine clear points with stupidity. Or are you one of the ones who still thinks Corbyn danced at the Cenotaph? Maybe the embarrassment was just for yourself after all. |
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I suspect that Scargill tried really hard to bring down Margaret & her Government, and, the strikes that were called by the miners did in my opinion caused more disruption than the RMT will
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I think it is stating the obvious to say on the whole any trade union would want rid of any tory government.
Should the RMT be having strikes for political reasons probably not. |
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Bring down the Government and bring in Socialism?
The man's a fool because Labour are unelectable so all he'll get is another Tory govt. |
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