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Old 19-12-2016, 19:48
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I know this is the five thoughts thread, but could I just ask a question about something as it is mentioned above, and it isn't worth starting a new thread over. Pardon my ignorance, but what is Bacofoil referring to? I've seen it mentioned a few times, but completely missed what it means?
Hi Karly, "Bacofoil" is the cruel nickname given to the showdance performed by Lisa Snowden and Brenda Cole. The YouTube link already given to you contains utterly unnecessary bitchy commentary.

So you will find Lisa's and Brendan's showdance in this YouTube link in context with many other showdances and no invasive text to spoil your enjoyment thereof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GivD...HllZxz-KfSE1Fm
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Old 19-12-2016, 20:04
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1. Congratulations to Ore and Joanne
2. Danny was the best dancer all through the series and even if he didn't mess up a little in the Quickstep he wouldn't have won.
3. Danny's Showdance and Samba were amazing loved them on Saturday night
4. Going to miss Danny & Oti dance together every Saturday for me they have been my favourite partnership ever they delivered magic every week and had great chemistry and no other couple will come close to these two.
5. Missed Claudia and AJ in the final they should have been there instead of Louise or Ore.
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Old 19-12-2016, 20:05
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My five final thoughts for the 2016 series:

1. General standard (technique and performance) of dancing by all contestants, even the "joke" ones (Ed Balls and Lesley Joseph), went up several notches, and I really hope this standard of serious application will be maintained in future shows.

2. If Will Young had not selfishly dropped out, Claudia Frangopane might well have made the final, but I think the public chose the right winner. It's huge just to get into the final.

3. Loved the danced and VT tributes to Len: yes, we will miss him, but not his cranky retorts.

4. After some years of sliding backwards I think the show production is improving year on year; the additional razzmatazz is inevitable, but it still hangs together.

5. Future male contestants should be vetted for their "stickability" before being admitted as a "star of the show". The sickly business of Will Young should be anticipated and avoided in future.

and finally:

6. Am not sure what can be done to blast certain bitchy journalists, bloggers, commentators, Twitterers and media posters into outer space with a one-way ticket. The Strictly shows are not about them or their opinions, it's about the people performing on the show. Very hard for genuine admirers of Strictly to wade through the rivers of Bitch in search of a nice thread to add comments to.

Merry Christmas to one and all.
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Old 19-12-2016, 20:07
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1) Pleased for Ore he deserved to win on the night although he wasn't my favourite overall.
2) Really wish they would announce who came 2nd and 3rd.
3) Wish they would have any aftershow like I'm a Celeb as to me it feels very rushed at the end.
4) I personally hope Tess and Darcey join Len and not bother coming back next year. Tess is so wooden and treats the contestants like they are 5 years old and Darcey's obvious bias towards certain contestants showed in abundance this year. You could tell she wanted to get rid of Claudia.
5) Louise is a nice person but found her showdance to be quite boring although I did love her dress.
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Old 19-12-2016, 20:17
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Ed's Gangham style salsa - surely will go down in Strictly history!

Judge Rinder's explosive entrance in his first dance - I was not expecting that!

The last moment of Danny's showdance - briliant!

Claudia's QS - undermarked.

Ed's QS and Lesley's QS.

ETA: Got to give Anton's 'moves' dance a mention - loved it!
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Old 19-12-2016, 20:45
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My five final thoughts for the 2016 series:

1. General standard (technique and performance) of dancing by all contestants, even the "joke" ones (Ed Balls and Lesley Joseph), went up several notches, and I really hope this standard of serious application will be maintained in future shows.

2. If Will Young had not selfishly dropped out, Claudia Frangopane might well have made the final, but I think the public chose the right winner. It's huge just to get into the final.

3. Loved the danced and VT tributes to Len: yes, we will miss him, but not his cranky retorts.

4. After some years of sliding backwards I think the show production is improving year on year; the additional razzmatazz is inevitable, but it still hangs together.

5. Future male contestants should be vetted for their "stickability" before being admitted as a "star of the show". The sickly business of Will Young should be anticipated and avoided in future.

and finally:

6. Am not sure what can be done to blast certain bitchy journalists, bloggers, commentators, Twitterers and media posters into outer space with a one-way ticket. The Strictly shows are not about them or their opinions, it's about the people performing on the show. Very hard for genuine admirers of Strictly to wade through the rivers of Bitch in search of a nice thread to add comments to.

Merry Christmas to one and all.
Well where are your nice comments about Will Young, if you are supposedly looking for a nice thread! Pot kettle springs to mind!
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Old 20-12-2016, 06:02
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1. The producers and judges did everything to make Ore happen - not for his sake, of course, but for themselves and Joanne (key words: the Tameka scandal and a Clifton).
2. After watching too many Hollywood movies I cannot be excited about Joanne's choreography: the rumors about its originality are more than slightly exaggerated.
3. In his showdance, Danny demonstrated versatility unprecedented among male celebrities (for me, Natalie Gumede's dance still remains the gold standard of show dances).
4. Saying that Ore was better than Danny is like praising a kid's reciting of the multiplication table up to 5x5 and criticizing another kid for poor handwriting in his polynomial equation solution. The final demonstrated once again Ore's limitations: two of his three dances were practically variations of the same dance.
5. I felt sorry for the very talented Louise who was thrown under the bus, and the brilliant Oti who was soon to follow after her; I also feel a little sorry for Kevin whom I liked a lot this season - but he knew what to expect and what he was doing.

5a. I am disgusted by the brazen manipulation of results throughout this season and cannot wait for Len to leave. I wonder if the new judge is going to be more subtle in playing BBC Strictly games.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:25
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1. People need to chill out with the 'fix' claims. its a show, get over it.
2.Happy and sad about the result. For me both Ore and Danny were the best of any series.
3.I love Gorka so much.
4. I'll miss Len. Craig should be new head judge.
5. Louise was the most forgettable finalist ever.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:41
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1. The producers and judges did everything to make Ore happen - not for his sake, of course, but for themselves and Joanne (key words: the Tameka scandal and a Clifton).
2. After watching too many Hollywood movies I cannot be excited about Joanne's choreography: the rumors about its originality are more than slightly exaggerated.
3. In his showdance, Danny demonstrated versatility unprecedented among male celebrities (for me, Natalie Gumede's dance still remains the gold standard of show dances).
4. Saying that Ore was better than Danny is like praising a kid's reciting of the multiplication table up to 5x5 and criticizing another kid for poor handwriting in his polynomial equation solution. The final demonstrated once again Ore's limitations: two of his three dances were practically variations of the same dance.
5. I felt sorry for the very talented Louise who was thrown under the bus, and the brilliant Oti who was soon to follow after her; I also feel a little sorry for Kevin whom I liked a lot this season - but he knew what to expect and what he was doing.

5a. I am disgusted by the brazen manipulation of results throughout this season and cannot wait for Len to leave. I wonder if the new judge is going to be more subtle in playing BBC Strictly games.
Another great post Olivia!
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Old 20-12-2016, 12:39
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1. The producers and judges did everything to make Ore happen - not for his sake, of course, but for themselves and Joanne (key words: the Tameka scandal and a Clifton).
2. After watching too many Hollywood movies I cannot be excited about Joanne's choreography: the rumors about its originality are more than slightly exaggerated.
3. In his showdance, Danny demonstrated versatility unprecedented among male celebrities (for me, Natalie Gumede's dance still remains the gold standard of show dances).
4. Saying that Ore was better than Danny is like praising a kid's reciting of the multiplication table up to 5x5 and criticizing another kid for poor handwriting in his polynomial equation solution. The final demonstrated once again Ore's limitations: two of his three dances were practically variations of the same dance.
5. I felt sorry for the very talented Louise who was thrown under the bus, and the brilliant Oti who was soon to follow after her; I also feel a little sorry for Kevin whom I liked a lot this season - but he knew what to expect and what he was doing.

5a. I am disgusted by the brazen manipulation of results throughout this season and cannot wait for Len to leave. I wonder if the new judge is going to be more subtle in playing BBC Strictly games.
Gosh, if you think that little of the show I really don't understand why you bother to watch at all! Must be miserable being that suspicious about everything...
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:03
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Thanks to all who replied about Bacofoil - now I know! Interesting to look back on all the showdances, and how you forget most of them! Personally I prefer the Fred and Ging ones to the modern angsty ones, but Danny's is definitely the best of those IMO. Still think Ore and Joanne's showdance is up there with Jay and Aliona's jive as my two favourite ever strictly dances, but that's just me.

Those, and Torvill and Dean's Barnum and Mack and Mabel are my little you tube treats. I think I must just like very "mathematical" and musically literal dances.
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:59
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I remember when Gene Kelly's widow responded to Jo and Ore's week 3 AS she said then that she wanted to meet them. She wasn't shipped over or hauled to her feet. She was there for her own reasons. Bruno's words about capturing the essence of the dance without pastiche echo what Kelly himself said about influence.

I rather suspect Patricia was there for her husband
Gene Kelly was very much about dancing more like a bloke as Len would put it rather than someone like Fred Astaire. He always tried to dance more like an ordinary bloke albeit one with a lot of talent so in a sense someone like Ore was someone he would have appreciated doing tribute to him and he would probably have appreciated that Ore has added his own style and put his own twist on it rather than flat out copying him so his widow being there was very appropriate. Also Patricia Kelly did register her appreciation of the dance the first time Ore and Joanne performed it if it orchestrated it was by her (although the producers would have been happy to facilitate or go along with it).
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:26
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Gosh, if you think that little of the show I really don't understand why you bother to watch at all! Must be miserable being that suspicious about everything...
Oh I don't know, it's better than being gullible and taking everything at face value.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:32
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1. The producers and judges did everything to make Ore happen - not for his sake, of course, but for themselves and Joanne (key words: the Tameka scandal and a Clifton).
2. After watching too many Hollywood movies I cannot be excited about Joanne's choreography: the rumors about its originality are more than slightly exaggerated.
3. In his showdance, Danny demonstrated versatility unprecedented among male celebrities (for me, Natalie Gumede's dance still remains the gold standard of show dances).
4. Saying that Ore was better than Danny is like praising a kid's reciting of the multiplication table up to 5x5 and criticizing another kid for poor handwriting in his polynomial equation solution. The final demonstrated once again Ore's limitations: two of his three dances were practically variations of the same dance.
5. I felt sorry for the very talented Louise who was thrown under the bus, and the brilliant Oti who was soon to follow after her; I also feel a little sorry for Kevin whom I liked a lot this season - but he knew what to expect and what he was doing.

5a. I am disgusted by the brazen manipulation of results throughout this season and cannot wait for Len to leave. I wonder if the new judge is going to be more subtle in playing BBC Strictly games.
I agree with all this. I didn't watch the final and I won't be watching the show again until they stop their silly games.

The viewers vote on this show and it should be above board. All those on social media making false accounts to get massive free votes makes a mockery of those viewers who spend their own money voting who know nothing about this.
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:25
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Oh I don't know, it's better than being gullible and taking everything at face value.
Only from the point of view of people who can't accept results not going their way.

Gullibility tends to mean losing something without knowing but I'm struggling to see what anyone who voted for Ore or who just enjoyed the show is losing?
I personally think 'losing' would be complaining about other opinions and results, yet carrying on watching each year knowing what the show's about.

I agree with all this. I didn't watch the final and I won't be watching the show again until they stop their silly games.

The viewers vote on this show and it should be above board. All those on social media making false accounts to get massive free votes makes a mockery of those viewers who spend their own money voting who know nothing about this.
Just curious, but how can you agree with ALL of the post when half the points are made about the final, then go on to say you didn't even watch it?
I think this sums up the stubbornness of some viewpoints towards the show. Ore swayed quite a few people based on the final.
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:39
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Only from the point of view of people who can't accept results not going their way.

Gullibility tends to mean losing something without knowing but I'm struggling to see what anyone who voted for Ore or who just enjoyed the show is losing?
I personally think 'losing' would be complaining about other opinions and results, yet carrying on watching each year knowing what the show's about.



Just curious, but how can you agree with ALL of the post when half the points are made about the final, then go on to say you didn't even watch it?
I think this sums up the stubbornness of some viewpoints towards the show. Ore swayed quite a few people based on the final.
I have watched them online.
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:13
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Oh I don't know, it's better than being gullible and taking everything at face value.
No, I call that having a little bit of faith in people unless proven otherwise, rather than making wild accusations which simply don't have any basis in fact or evidence. Just because things didn't go the way I wanted them to doesn't mean I'm going to cry "fix" - funnily enough, most people are a bit more grown up than that!
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:15
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1) For me finals are as much about uniting all of the contestants as seeing the best of the front runners and finding a winner while I was watching it I found myself rewinding parts to watch the reaction to dances in Claud 9, Them all chanting and dancing along after Danny's samba was princeless and I was struck yet again but what a bunch of geunine, kind, funny and mutually supportive group they were which makes the vitroil flung at them and the supporters of the rival camps of supporters especially unpleasant in comparison.

2)I think technically that Danny ought to have won but Ore did the best performance of the night and people do as is their right to prefer non-ringers which I can understand. I'm afraid I'm glad it wasn't Louise just because I found her mostly dull and overmarked but I have nothing other than that against either her or Kevin.

3) Didn't know quite what to make of the showdances - Louise's was bog standard contempo waft, Danny's was good but didn't know what to make of the mirror bits and Ore's a bit style over substance but possibly since I'd read reviews I was expecting more than it could be. None of the showdances were Tomilla and none were Bacofoil.

4)The result was a shock when I read it and it was interested that it was even a shock to Jore themselves - their faces when the result was read was princeless.

5)All I have to do now is ride the contraversies and wait for the voting and results on the Monkies. It just won't be the same. We'll always have gangum style and wild wild samba - I think the prediction that this series would make Ed Balls a star would have been greeted with less shock than the fact we'd be wowed and excited by the dance that everyone seemed to want to avoid like the plague although perhaps that it featured Danny with his shirt open might have made it more credible . God bless you Oti and Katya and everyone even Giovanni gave us the one truly great tango of the series
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:36
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1. The producers and judges did everything to make Ore happen - not for his sake, of course, but for themselves and Joanne (key words: the Tameka scandal and a Clifton).
2. After watching too many Hollywood movies I cannot be excited about Joanne's choreography: the rumors about its originality are more than slightly exaggerated.
3. In his showdance, Danny demonstrated versatility unprecedented among male celebrities (for me, Natalie Gumede's dance still remains the gold standard of show dances).
4. Saying that Ore was better than Danny is like praising a kid's reciting of the multiplication table up to 5x5 and criticizing another kid for poor handwriting in his polynomial equation solution. The final demonstrated once again Ore's limitations: two of his three dances were practically variations of the same dance.
5. I felt sorry for the very talented Louise who was thrown under the bus, and the brilliant Oti who was soon to follow after her; I also feel a little sorry for Kevin whom I liked a lot this season - but he knew what to expect and what he was doing.

5a. I am disgusted by the brazen manipulation of results throughout this season and cannot wait for Len to leave. I wonder if the new judge is going to be more subtle in playing BBC Strictly games.
Not a happy bunny I assume The verdict is in, it's all done and dusted. Continually kvetching about the fact that your favourite didn't win will give you ulcers and I'd hate for it to spoil your christmas
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:39
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1: AJ is hot
2: Kevin is not
3: Gorka is a potential liar
4: ITT needs a new presenter
5: Craig should become head judge.
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:51
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1. Congratulations to Ore and Joanne 2. Danny was the best dancer all through the series and even if he didn't mess up a little in the Quickstep he wouldn't have won.
3. Danny's Showdance and Samba were amazing loved them on Saturday night
4. Going to miss Danny & Oti dance together every Saturday for me they have been my favourite partnership ever they delivered magic every week and had great chemistry and no other couple will come close to these two.
5. Missed Claudia and AJ in the final they should have been there instead of Louise or Ore.
I would agree with all the above, except: 1. which should read Congratulations To Ed and Katya for being the real stars of this show for the first ten weeks and keeping SCD in the national media eye when noone else on the show was seemingly capable of doing the same. It helped defeat rival programmes in the ratings too.
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:53
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1: AJ is hot
2: Kevin is not
3: Gorka is a potential liar
4: ITT needs a new presenter
5: Craig should become head judge.
4. whats wrong with zoe???
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Old 20-12-2016, 22:01
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Only from the point of view of people who can't accept results not going their way.

Gullibility tends to mean losing something without knowing but I'm struggling to see what anyone who voted for Ore or who just enjoyed the show is losing?
I personally think 'losing' would be complaining about other opinions and results, yet carrying on watching each year knowing what the show's about.



Just curious, but how can you agree with ALL of the post when half the points are made about the final, then go on to say you didn't even watch it?
I think this sums up the stubbornness of some viewpoints towards the show. Ore swayed quite a few people based on the final.
Maybe......but the jooodges laid the groundwork for that to happen in the notorious semi final with their manipulation of both the leaderboard and their comments about the other three. They gave him the leg-up he needed.
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Old 20-12-2016, 22:04
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4. whats wrong with zoe???
ok, so i got myself a 48hr ban for voicing my thoughts on her once before so lets just say she's not my cup of tea!!
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Old 20-12-2016, 22:06
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1. People need to chill out with the 'fix' claims. its a show, get over it.
2.Happy and sad about the result. For me both Ore and Danny were the best of any series.
3.I love Gorka so much.
4. I'll miss Len. Craig should be new head judge.
5. Louise was the most forgettable finalist ever.
I agree with all of this. Louise seemed a very nice person and I liked many of her dances but I forgot her dances as soon as she'd performed them - unlike Claudia's

Gosh, if you think that little of the show I really don't understand why you bother to watch at all! Must be miserable being that suspicious about everything...
Oh I don't know, it's better than being gullible and taking everything at face value.
Only from the point of view of people who can't accept results not going their way.

Gullibility tends to mean losing something without knowing but I'm struggling to see what anyone who voted for Ore or who just enjoyed the show is losing?
I personally think 'losing' would be complaining about other opinions and results, yet carrying on watching each year knowing what the show's about.



Just curious, but how can you agree with ALL of the post when half the points are made about the final, then go on to say you didn't even watch it?
I think this sums up the stubbornness of some viewpoints towards the show. Ore swayed quite a few people based on the final.
No, I call that having a little bit of faith in people unless proven otherwise, rather than making wild accusations which simply don't have any basis in fact or evidence. Just because things didn't go the way I wanted them to doesn't mean I'm going to cry "fix" - funnily enough, most people are a bit more grown up than that!
It must be miserable, watching a show and looking for conspiracies and fixes everywhere, when to the rest of us (and the general public) it's a fun, light entertainment show on a Saturday and Sunday night. It's even worse to get so het up about it all, you miss out on a brilliant, sparkly finals and watch it online later ("Well, I didn't watch the finals on TV, so there!")

Me, I loved it and thought the right person won in the end but Danny was amazing all the way through and I loved his close partnership with Oti. A great Saturday night in!
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