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Old 18-12-2016, 13:54
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Four finals and still no win? Is the guy cursed or something lol
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:58
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Kevin needs to have a partner who gains the most votes.

Simple.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:00
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true although if people are right next year he will get a duffer although as Ore has shown having no experience can sometimes work out well.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:01
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If they knew how to win they'd all do it every year.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:11
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He's has 4 finals but only one with a potential winner, Frankie, i.e. someone attractive, fit and within a few years of 30: see Jill, Alesha, Kara, Abbey, Caroline. Slightly older (though still under 40) male celebs had a chance in the early days, but Louis, Harry, Jay and Ore suggest it's about the same for them now.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:13
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IMO it seems that it's purely how the final night works out as to who ends up winning the competition, bar series 13 where I'd say Jay was running away with the votes from the moment he danced the Jive.

In the other finals for example
Susanna, performed well throughout the series but both Natalie and Abbey upped their game in the final
Frankie, good throughout again but Caroline was on fire from Blackpool onwards. For me Caroline danced on the edge all of the time whereas I often found Frankie played it safe and quite beige
Kellie, marmite contestant

Purely my opinion
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:16
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They need to give him obvious duffers for two to three series IMO - the likes of Ann Widdecombe, Carol Kirkwood, Nancy De'llolio. It doesn't matter if he pushes them far into the competition, just make it obvious he doesn't have someone with dance experience or a chance to win the Glitterball.

After two or three years of that - which will also show another side of him and, if he leaves the contest earlier, we may see him as him rather than joined at the hip with a celebrity - I think the angst towards him will lessen and he'll gain popularity on here. I stress on here as I think he's popular outside the forums!

But it's a bit like Natalie - she had Ricky and Scott but her popularity only really increased when partnered with Audley and Michael.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:21
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Give him a course of Humble Tablets and take him away from the front and centre at the start of each show (Not his fault) and stop him doing that stupid kick he does. In other word both the show and himself should lower his profile.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:21
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They need to give him obvious duffers for two to three series IMO - the likes of Ann Widdecombe, Carol Kirkwood, Nancy De'llolio. It doesn't matter if he pushes them far into the competition, just make it obvious he doesn't have someone with dance experience or a chance to win the Glitterball.

After two or three years of that - which will also show another side of him and, if he leaves the contest earlier, we may see him as him rather than joined at the hip with a celebrity - I think the angst towards him will lessen and he'll gain popularity on here. I stress on here as I think he's popular outside the forums!

But it's a bit like Natalie - she had Ricky and Scott but her popularity only really increased when partnered with Audley and Michael.
This is based on the assumption that the general voting audience cares anything for the pros and votes in line with this, something for which I have not seen any credible evidence. They vote on the basis of the celeb and , just possibly, the celeb/pro pairing.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:21
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Could be a few factors, mainly not good enough on the night. getting on peoples nerves, partners not doing enough ..... his wig? lol
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:24
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This is based on the assumption that the general voting audience cares anything for the pros and votes in line with this, something for which I have not seen any credible evidence. They vote on the basis of the celeb and , just possibly, the celeb/pro pairing.
That's true - that's why I mentioned 'on here'.

To win he needs a female under 30 years of age, preferabnly with no dance experience but a quick learner, who isn't overly sexual but knows how to sell her dances whilst sticking to the technique, and creates a strong partnership with Kevin without being over the top or too quiet.

Simples.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:35
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true although if people are right next year he will get a duffer although as Ore has shown having no experience can sometimes work out well.
No experience? see his 2013 dance on you tube to Hey Ya by Outkast (comic relief) AND SEE ARLENE PHILLIPS WETTING HERSELF OVER IT.
As for kevin, I thought this was his best ever chance. The others had been in recent dance offs. Louise seemed to be the safe bet. Yet somehow they seemed a bit flat last night, and kev's choice to show that his showdance is not just about 'throwing the kitchen sink' at it backfired as it came in a poor third behind the other two.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:36
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That's true - that's why I mentioned 'on here'.

To win he needs a female under 30 years of age, preferabnly with no dance experience but a quick learner, who isn't overly sexual but knows how to sell her dances whilst sticking to the technique, and creates a strong partnership with Kevin without being over the top or too quiet.

Simples.
maybe he should have been paired with claudia then....
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:39
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He needs to have a genuine duffer one year and see his partners weaknesses and address them sooner rather than later. Stop with over-dancing to cover weaknesses and choreograph more sympathetically earlier in the series.

Then perhaps a little humility in going out earlier in the competition might gain him some sympathy.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:45
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IMO it seems that it's purely how the final night works out as to who ends up winning the competition, bar series 13 where I'd say Jay was running away with the votes from the moment he danced the Jive.

In the other finals for example
Susanna, performed well throughout the series but both Natalie and Abbey upped their game in the final
Frankie, good throughout again but Caroline was on fire from Blackpool onwards. For me Caroline danced on the edge all of the time whereas I often found Frankie played it safe and quite beige
Kellie, marmite contestant

Purely my opinion
not so much the final, but the rest of this you may have a point...

Ore was in the bottom 2 two weeks ago but gained public support after the now infamous semi final...
Caroline and Abbey were bottom two early doors but rose in the public vote as the weeks went by.

Kev's partners Frankie,Susanna and (maybe) Louise stalled or went backwards in the public vote in the lead up to (and in) the final....as you say kellie was marmite so couldn't close the gap to Jay.......
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:50
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maybe he should have been paired with claudia then....
Maybe I should say no dance or gymnastics experience as the latter was used against her during Len's Lens last week!
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:00
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Sitting out graciously for a year might help I suppose but I'm thinking that he may be destined never to win it.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:04
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Four finals and still no win? Is the guy cursed or something lol
There are lots of good professional dancers who don't win, Kevin knows that perfectly well. All he needs to do is what he already does! He nearly won, he's a great teacher but this year he was fortunate that his celeb partner was very good.

Next year he might have a dud partner and be out early. That's the way the cookie crumbles. I don't suppose he's that bothered, Kevin has things to do other than Strictly for the rest of the time.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:06
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Maybe I should say no dance or gymnastics experience as the latter was used against her during Len's Lens last week!



YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN!!
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:10
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has he ever won anything in his career as a dancer before strictly?
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:18
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There are duffers and duffers. Anne Widdecombe, Nancy D'O and Judy Murray were duffers in a way that Susannah Reid clearly was not. As for Kellie - she had stage school through her like a stick of rock (jazz hands). I do think Kevin has had his fair share of potential winners and wouldn't have been surprised to see Louise win it.

I don't mind Kevin as a person at all (no Karen nor Jo) but for some reason I don't really like his dancing or routines. On one ITT Louise said something about how every dance was about putting him at the centre of the narrative and I wonder if that's it sometimes. In their show dance last night too much Kevin carrying Louise about for me. And the conversely sometimes I think he exposes his partners - that cha cha cha left Louise too much on her.
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Completely contradictory I know. Maybe there's a balance that I don't feel he gets right? Actually over four series and with four finals we have seen more of Kevin than any other pro, so maybe I am just bored with him?
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:21
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He needs to:

1.) Learn how to actually improve a dancer each week
2.) Learn how to showcase them and not make it the Kevin show
3.) Stop relying on props and over-theming to disguise bad dancing or to fill time
4.) Stop camera-hogging, act happily but not leaping about the place when you get a 10
5.) Either learn how to choreograph properly or get another person to do it, because he really lacks in that department
6.) Ask for a duffer and see how far he can get with them - he might prove there's no favouritism if he can actually get good performances out of a duffer like Pasha, Aljaz and Katya have all done.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:31
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has he ever won anything in his career as a dancer before strictly?
From Wikipedia

He was a Youth World Number 1 and four time British Latin Champion and won International Open titles in Italy, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Japan, France, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Slovenia, Slovakia, Finland and Belgium. At the time of his retirement from competitive dancing in 2007, he was ranked 7th in the world.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:35
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He needs more flamboyance and passion.

Take a look at his Tango: Technically it was a masterclass and an outstanding dance. However, it just lacked that one thing that a Argentine Tango must have: The dirt! It really is a dance all about passionate SEX and you should get that message rubbed in your face and up and down all your other body parts as well or else it just what it was, a technically wonderful dance.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:37
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He has had a lot of nastiness chucked at him this entire series. I feel sorry for him, he hadn't really stood a chance of winning this year. If the nasty comments haven't been aimed at him they have been aimed at Louise..
I hope for his sake he gets a duff partner next year and does wonders with her.
You only have to count the anti Clinton threads this year to see why he didn't win. I know his sister did but, she didn't come in for the amount of unkindness Kevin did from certain posters.
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