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He has had a lot of nastiness chucked at him this entire series. I feel sorry for him, he hadn't really stood a chance of winning this year. If the nasty comments haven't been aimed at him they have been aimed at Louise..
I hope for his sake he gets a duff partner next year and does wonders with her. You only have to count the anti Clinton threads this year to see why he didn't win. I know his sister did but, she didn't come in for the amount of unkindness Kevin did from certain posters.
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He needs to:
1.) Learn how to actually improve a dancer each week 2.) Learn how to showcase them and not make it the Kevin show 3.) Stop relying on props and over-theming to disguise bad dancing or to fill time 4.) Stop camera-hogging, act happily but not leaping about the place when you get a 10 5.) Either learn how to choreograph properly or get another person to do it, because he really lacks in that department 6.) Ask for a duffer and see how far he can get with them - he might prove there's no favouritism if he can actually get good performances out of a duffer like Pasha, Aljaz and Katya have all done. |
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get someone who can pull out all the stops and not make any mistakes on the final and top the public vote
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Kevin needs to have a partner who gains the most votes.
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It has been relentless, wicked and horrible.
![]() They mentioned Louise plateauing but then magically she was declared to be improving the week after - really? She looked like a Week 3 dancer even in the final. People rag on the Cliftons because they get away with things other professionals don't and they rely way too heavily on props and theming, which quite rightly grates on people who want to watch dancing. Add into the fact that they really do seem to be camera-hogs and you can see why people dislike them. |
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Well I like some of his choreography.
Favourite routines: American smooth with Kellie (had this been a show dance he could have won with it) Tango with Frankie (amazing given the song he had) Paso with Susanna (proper traditional we hadn't seen for ages) and that's just off the top of my head Other routines I thought were fine Susanna's tango, VW, FT Frankie's paso, salsa (just me then), SD Kellie's QS, VW, SD I hope he gets a perceived duffer next year and gets to the final with her. I also suspect, much as I love Anton, Lesley may have gone further with Kevin. |
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Well I like some of his choreography.
Favourite routines: American smooth with Kellie (had this been a show dance he could have won with it) Tango with Frankie (amazing given the song he had) Paso with Susanna (proper traditional we hadn't seen for ages) and that's just off the top of my head Other routines I thought were fine Susanna's tango, VW, FT Frankie's paso, salsa (just me then), SD Kellie's QS, VW, SD I hope he gets a perceived duffer next year and gets to the final with her. I also suspect, much as I love Anton, Lesley may have gone further with Kevin. |
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Horrible? No. Just people annoyed at the fact that Kevin has coasted through four series and four finals with mediocre choreography and no improvement in his partners, even though other people would get pulled up on that.
They mentioned Louise plateauing but then magically she was declared to be improving the week after - really? She looked like a Week 3 dancer even in the final. People rag on the Cliftons because they get away with things other professionals don't and they rely way too heavily on props and theming, which quite rightly grates on people who want to watch dancing. Add into the fact that they really do seem to be camera-hogs and you can see why people dislike them. |
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I don't think that Kevin could have really done anything more. Louise just seemed resigned to not winning last night.
Susanna and Kellie were far too marmite to win. His best chance was with Frankie who was not over or pushing 40 and I voted for her. But Flackers was really on form that night. |
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He has had a lot of nastiness chucked at him this entire series. I feel sorry for him, he hadn't really stood a chance of winning this year. If the nasty comments haven't been aimed at him they have been aimed at Louise..
I hope for his sake he gets a duff partner next year and does wonders with her. You only have to count the anti Clinton threads this year to see why he didn't win. I know his sister did but, she didn't come in for the amount of unkindness Kevin did from certain posters. Not only that he got her to the final, bloody well done! She obviously had good enough support to avoid the dance off in semi week despite being stiched up like a kipper, but Ore was best on the night and Danny was the best overall. She knew that, he knew that. If he gets a duffer next time that's fine, he will be charming with them I am sure. Lastly, I loved them as a couple, it was soothing and rather sweet. |
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He is just not that likeable. The proof is there- four finals and no win.
He has to work on his public image. Maybe as someone suggested lower his profile and try to calm down and to get in people's charming books. It is shocking how people like Gleb and Gorka come and are instant faves from year 1. |
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I don't watch Strictly much, but he always seems to just dance with his partner as if they're a regular partner, obviously that's a good thing in a way to get through the early rounds, but it means he doesn't really put the spotlight on them enough.
The show dance in the final should be a showcase for the celebrity, Ore's was excellent and showed off what he can do. Louise's was Kevin doing lifts, a bit of running around and Kevin doing a bunch of lifts, followed by a vague hint of dancing and Kevin doing more lifts, Louise looked like more of a prop than a dancer for most of it. I don't particularly like Jo, but she made the most of her celeb in a way her brother fails to do. He's very good, but beatable. |
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The fact is he has reached four finals, sometimes with competitors who really didn't seem a shoo in in the early weeks eg Susanna Reid. He hasn't had anyone truly awful no and has been quite lucky with his partners up to now, but I've also noticed that he doesn't rely on their previous experience either and his partners often execute the dances very well for beginners. I don't question his ability as a teacher or choreographer at all.
I bet next series he will get someone like Naga or Victoria Pendleton and the forum will go into a meltdown at first saying how much potential they have and unfair it is, then they turn out to be rubbish, the DS Clifton hate brigade will bash Kevin for not being able to teach a "contender." I'd rather he got someone who is completely and obviously a duffer tbh! Fingers crossed.
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Calm the hell down, for one. Make it more about his partner than himself, for another. And by god, get some help with choreography.
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true although if people are right next year he will get a duffer although as Ore has shown having no experience can sometimes work out well.
A duffer is someone of Fiona Phillips capabilities ... two left feet in other words and Kevin deserves one of those next year. If he then gets to the final then hats off to him. |
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No, there is a difference between a duffer and a celeb with no dance experience. People thought Ore was a highlight in the group dance before the pairing and he was good on his first outing so he was NEVER a duffer.
A duffer is someone of Fiona Phillips capabilities ... two left feet in other words and Kevin deserves one of those next year. If he then gets to the final then hats off to him. As is, he's had three ringers (Louise, Kellie and Frankie) and one who had no prior experience but clearly had some natural ability (Susanna). Even Jo started with a duffer (Scott) and Karen's had Dave and Jeremy, along with no prior experience in Mark Wright and Nicky Byrne. Think this year would've been her first ringer with Will Young. |
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If he was ever going to win, I think it would've been with Frankie - he's much too overexposed now.
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first off he need to calm the heck down - stop making everything about himself and let the focus settle on his celeb
drop the stupid kicking his legs about in the line up, the whooping and jumping up and down when he gets a 10 or when he gets through to the next round maybe try something different for his show dance (IF he gets there again) - just an idea - hasn't he done 4 boring wafty ballroom type numbers
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Honestly I think the show would do him the biggest favour to have a couple of duffers.
He hasn't earned his stripes and has had it so easy (considering his length of service) compared to other pros including his wife (in terms of partner, I appreciate Kevin being in four finals means he's probably done more dances than Brendan) He will do a stellar job regardless of his celebs ability and I'm sure will bring out the best in any partner and he'd come back from paying his dues with oodles of goodwill. A fifth final when he doesn't win would be a tad embarrassing. |
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first off he need to calm the heck down - stop making everything about himself and let the focus settle on his celeb
drop the stupid kicking his legs about in the line up, the whooping and jumping up and down when he gets a 10 or when he gets through to the next round maybe try something different for his show dance (IF he gets there again) - just an idea - hasn't he done 4 boring wafty ballroom type numbers ![]() Then he did a Lindy Hop with Kellie which was the only Showdance to get top marks last year. This year I think his creative well rang dry. |
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I think Kevin's done remarkably well with his partners and should be given credit for how he's helped them.
The only clear potential winner (as opposed to finalist) he's had was Frankie. But she was pregnant right at the end of the competition and so they understandably played it safe cutting out all the lifts etc from her routines. Given that she hadn't announced her pregnancy whilst the series was on, it just made her seem less exciting than the other finalists and so she got forgotten about. Of the other three competitors, they've all been slightly older women and less obvious winners - although very strong. Susanna Reid was a very entertaining contestant who did miles better than was expected on personality, showmanship and the Kevin factor. She didn't have the technique or training to quite win though and in the final that showed through. Kellie was Kevin's best partner in terms of pushing technique and performance and they could have won if they hadn't been in the same year as Jay. Kevin pushed Kellie all the way to almost winning last year and getting the judges to say they were the best. With Louise, Kevin has a contestant who had a strong natural dance base but lacked showmanship. Louise is a very capable group dancer but does not have the personality of being the lead dancer which both Ore and Danny had. Kevin did really well at helping Louise to develop presence on the stage and confidence to be the lead- she was miles better at the end of the competition than the start with this; her technique was always great- but she never quite hit a dance with the attack of 'I want to win". So, actually, I don't think Kevin's had an obvious winner going into the final. I think it would be interesting to see him with a true duffer but I also wouldn't mind seeing him try again with someone who was a more obvious winner, |
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To me he look's like the joker cant take him to him at all
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I think Kevin's done remarkably well with his partners and should be given credit for how he's helped them.
The only clear potential winner (as opposed to finalist) he's had was Frankie. But she was pregnant right at the end of the competition and so they understandably played it safe cutting out all the lifts etc from her routines. Given that she hadn't announced her pregnancy whilst the series was on, it just made her seem less exciting than the other finalists and so she got forgotten about. Of the other three competitors, they've all been slightly older women and less obvious winners - although very strong. Susanna Reid was a very entertaining contestant who did miles better than was expected on personality, showmanship and the Kevin factor. She didn't have the technique or training to quite win though and in the final that showed through. Kellie was Kevin's best partner in terms of pushing technique and performance and they could have won if they hadn't been in the same year as Jay. Kevin pushed Kellie all the way to almost winning last year and getting the judges to say they were the best. With Louise, Kevin has a contestant who had a strong natural dance base but lacked showmanship. Louise is a very capable group dancer but does not have the personality of being the lead dancer which both Ore and Danny had. Kevin did really well at helping Louise to develop presence on the stage and confidence to be the lead- she was miles better at the end of the competition than the start with this; her technique was always great- but she never quite hit a dance with the attack of 'I want to win". So, actually, I don't think Kevin's had an obvious winner going into the final. I think it would be interesting to see him with a true duffer but I also wouldn't mind seeing him try again with someone who was a more obvious winner, I don't think Kellie would've won even if she hadn't been against Jay. She was just too Marmite, if not outright unpopular in some quarters. Susanna had a similar problem and the quality of her dancing fell off a cliff after Blackpool, but again I think Abbey's margin of victory was fairly thin. Overall, though, I would say he has had his fair share of genuine shots at the glitterball, and overexposure has really harmed his chances. If the Cliftons are going to stick around next year, then give Joanne and Kevin a very quiet series indeed (Karen's been hard-done by, so she might be worth giving a contender). |
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I think Kevin's done remarkably well with his partners and should be given credit for how he's helped them.
The only clear potential winner (as opposed to finalist) he's had was Frankie. But she was pregnant right at the end of the competition and so they understandably played it safe cutting out all the lifts etc from her routines. Given that she hadn't announced her pregnancy whilst the series was on, it just made her seem less exciting than the other finalists and so she got forgotten about. Of the other three competitors, they've all been slightly older women and less obvious winners - although very strong. Susanna Reid was a very entertaining contestant who did miles better than was expected on personality, showmanship and the Kevin factor. She didn't have the technique or training to quite win though and in the final that showed through. Kellie was Kevin's best partner in terms of pushing technique and performance and they could have won if they hadn't been in the same year as Jay. Kevin pushed Kellie all the way to almost winning last year and getting the judges to say they were the best. With Louise, Kevin has a contestant who had a strong natural dance base but lacked showmanship. Louise is a very capable group dancer but does not have the personality of being the lead dancer which both Ore and Danny had. Kevin did really well at helping Louise to develop presence on the stage and confidence to be the lead- she was miles better at the end of the competition than the start with this; her technique was always great- but she never quite hit a dance with the attack of 'I want to win". So, actually, I don't think Kevin's had an obvious winner going into the final. I think it would be interesting to see him with a true duffer but I also wouldn't mind seeing him try again with someone who was a more obvious winner,
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I'm not really a Kevin supporter and no I don't hate him but I have to say that I felt sorry for him last night. However, close you are to your sibling it must have been upsetting that even at the fourth attempt you didn't win. I really didn't want Ore to win but you have to hand it to Jo she produces excellent choreography.
I agree with others that I find Kevin a bit manic and I don't think Louise was the manic type. She is a lovely lady but she shouldn't have been in the final. However, the public voted for her and she was there but I don't think she made the most of it. I would loved to have seen Claudia there instead. |
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