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Old 20-12-2016, 05:54
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Me too. I have got to a point where I cannot watch his interviews on ITT! I am so glad that there were several couples I liked this year with one outstanding pair.
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Old 20-12-2016, 06:44
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The pro can and does make a difference to the vote. I don't think Caroline Flack, a woman who attracts a lot of negative press, could have won if of wasn't for Pasha in that series for example.
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Old 20-12-2016, 07:07
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The pro can and does make a difference to the vote. I don't think Caroline Flack, a woman who attracts a lot of negative press, could have won if of wasn't for Pasha in that series for example.
There was a general feeling that it was Pasha's turn to win.

Anton probably dragged Widdecombe further than she would otherwise have gone.
Vincent & Ian never got winning partners but did come close.

I do get the feeling that Kevin is seen as a safe pair of hands for the celebrity, so he is forgiven sins the more dynamic professionals would get pulled up for. Yet it is that very safeness that means his partnerships lack that extra spark that makes the difference needed to win.

In trying to explain what is lacking, watching Kevin & Karen dance together is not a patch on James & Ola for clarity of connection.
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Old 20-12-2016, 09:02
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No offence is meant by this but when you look at the four partners he has had I think it's clear why he hasn't been able to win. Susanna and Kellie were both fairly strong characters and whilst they evidently had enough support to get them through to the final, I would bet they had just as many people who didn't like them. They were both a bit like marmite and there didn't seem to be much of a middle ground for either of them, especially on here when (from what I can remember) you had lines firmly drawn between the 'I love them!' and 'God they are so annoying!' camps.

Louise and Frankie on the other hand were the total opposite of S and K. They seem like nice enough ladies but in all honesty they came across as rather dull. Again, both had enough votes to get through to their finals but neither had the ability come finals night to pick up enough voters who were perhaps watching for the first time. They also didn't create the most headlines, this year going into the final it felt all about Ore and Danny and Louise was almost forgotten about as a result.

Frankie I think lost out mainly because there was a contestant in Caroline Flack that had more of a 'journey' and as has been proved in the past with other winners people tend to like someone who has had more of a journey type experience.

I know Kevin is not well liked on here but personally I think his choreography is amazing and he has managed to get the absolute best out of the four people he has had to work with. I still think he will win it one day though!
Nearly all This, Frankie imo was pretty dull/not warm personality.
Louise's flash dance was not improved or rare compared to the boys. Her show dance was not a show dance and although Louse is nice, she's not exciting.

Ps Karen really cheesed me off this series, too much attention seeking/immaturity in the claudiatorium (Jeanette too)
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:22
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Hopefully Kevin gets a dud next year after 4 good dancers in a row.
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:56
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Kellie were both fairly strong characters and whilst they evidently had enough support to get them through to the final, I would bet they had just as many people who didn't like them. They were both a bit like marmite and there didn't seem to be much of a middle ground for either of them, especially on here when (from what I can remember) you had lines firmly drawn between the 'I love them!' and 'God they are so annoying!' camps.
It was very obvious that Kellie *didn't* have enough public support to get to the final.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:24
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Kevin seems to be popular but he hasn't really had a killer partner who the public really like. Susanna Reid was lucky to get to the final. She only had one good week (Blackpool) and in the Q/F she was bottom of the leaderboard by 4pts. Susanna was however calculating with the PR (BBC Breakfast, newspapers & even a Radio Times diary column where she disingenuously banged on about being a hard working mum living in 'unmarried bliss'. *cough*) I think people eventually began to see her as a bit desperate to win.

I really liked Frankie Bridge but she was arguably a little unlucky to come up against Caroline Flack who was getting better every week. Kellie was good improving from week to week and seemed to be the judges preferred choice to be the champion going by the excellent scores she was given in final. However again there was something that seemed to prevent the public connecting with her and the votes just never came. Louise seemed to be the best on the PR front of this years finalists getting the most column inches and media attention but again just didn't connect.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:43
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Hopefully Kevin gets a dud next year after 4 good dancers in a row.
I find it interesting that Brendan's final blog for Digital Spy he does reference Kevin - or 'our Kevvy' as he called him - and his 4 finals in 4 years and made a little comment re next year (bold mine):

I did feel for Kevin last night. I felt really sorry for him. He's been four times in the final, he's had four really good partners and he hasn't quite done it. I think he's going to be feeling it today! He's ever so proud of his sister, but I reckon it's going to hurt a little bit. So I'm sending my love out to our Kevvy. I'm sure it's not an easy thing to do. But well done for four years on the show, four really good partners and four finals. Maybe next year for him - but I think if he has a good partner next year I'm going home!
Here is the full column - which I enjoyed and which he basically said what many of us have said - Ore danced best on the night and deserved his win:

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/strictl...ore-oduba-win/
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:41
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The pro can and does make a difference to the vote. I don't think Caroline Flack, a woman who attracts a lot of negative press, could have won if of wasn't for Pasha in that series for example.
It might have made a difference, and I am NO FAN of Flack. But you do her a disservice to say she didn't have a load of support herself that year....it was obvs for weeks before the final. Far more obvious than Ore O'blubber, for instance.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:04
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Personally speaking, it's got nothing to do with which partner he gets. It's his personality that gets in the way of him ever winning.

I find him to earnest - I think I have made this same comment years ago on another thread.

Lots of people have mentioned the "kick" in the line up (forcing Louise to do it), but even before the kick, he was the one who was dancing like a loon in the line up.

Also others have mentioned the overblown celebration of getting through or getting a 10.

Finally, grabbing Jo when the result was announced this year also annoyed me. You could see Ore looking for Jo, but he couldn't get to her because of Kevin.

The only things is it's his natural make up, so I am not sure he can ever change.

However, what concerns me even more is that he is influencing his sister and wife. For example, Jo was dancing like a loon in the line up each week this year.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:33
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Finally, grabbing Jo when the result was announced this year also annoyed me. You could see Ore looking for Jo, but he couldn't get to her because of Kevin.
I noticed this, too. It's nice that he's supportive of his sister, but on the other hand, she won it with Ore and he should have let them have the moment together or not exclude him.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:50
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It might have made a difference, and I am NO FAN of Flack. But you do her a disservice to say she didn't have a load of support herself that year....it was obvs for weeks before the final. Far more obvious than Ore O'blubber, for instance.
Amen. The Flackster's win was one of the most predictable ever.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:53
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Finally, grabbing Jo when the result was announced this year also annoyed me. You could see Ore looking for Jo, but he couldn't get to her because of Kevin.
I noticed this, too. It's nice that he's supportive of his sister, but on the other hand, she won it with Ore and he should have let them have the moment together or not exclude him.
I think both of you need to view the chain of events before condemning Kevin, as it seems you have watched but not seen what happened. If anyone is to 'blame' for Kevin grabbing his sister it's Danny who rushed to grab Ore making it impossible for Ore to go to Jo. The clip is on BBC Strictly Come Dancing channel to view and it's no doubt on the official website as well.

More cases of seeing prejudices than reality.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:54
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Kellie was good improving from week to week and seemed to be the judges preferred choice to be the champion going by the excellent scores she was given in final. However again there was something that seemed to prevent the public connecting with her and the votes just never came.
I said at the time and will continue to think that the problem Kellie had was that Georgia and she split the non-Jay vote leaving him to sneak through on a minority. Can't prove it, of course.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:04
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Amen. The Flackster's win was one of the most predictable ever.
Actually I think the perceived wisdom was that Frankie was still the more likely winner by dint of being the only one to never have been in the dance-off - I still think Caroline's margin of victory was probably pretty close.

I said at the time and will continue to think that the problem Kellie had was that Georgia and she split the non-Jay vote leaving him to sneak through on a minority. Can't prove it, of course.
The problem Kellie had was that she was really bloody annoying.
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Old 22-12-2016, 22:29
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I think both of you need to view the chain of events before condemning Kevin, as it seems you have watched but not seen what happened. If anyone is to 'blame' for Kevin grabbing his sister it's Danny who rushed to grab Ore making it impossible for Ore to go to Jo. The clip is on BBC Strictly Come Dancing channel to view and it's no doubt on the official website as well.

More cases of seeing prejudices than reality.
Well spotted. Don't ever let truth get in the way of bit of controversy, eh.. A bit like the way that 2013 O'blubber video has been airbrushed from his portfolio so that there was no stopping the 'zero-dance experience' bull until the very end.
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Old 22-12-2016, 22:37
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Well spotted. Don't ever let truth get in the way of bit of controversy, eh.. A bit like the way that 2013 O'blubber video has been airbrushed from his portfolio so that there was no stopping the 'zero-dance experience' bull until the very end.
Just stop. I've no issue with you as a poster but I object to you using me on some unpleasant vendetta that turns Ore into an Irish man! Grow up, go away and found your own group of bitter Danny supporters.

Most have seen Ore's imitation of he Outkast for CIN. Go find the ignorant to educate to your view and don't USE me.
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Old 22-12-2016, 22:40
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Just stop. I've no issue with you as a poster but I object to you using me on some unpleasant vendetta that turns Ore into an Irish man! Grow up, go away and found your own group of bitter Danny supporters.

Most have seen Ore's imitation of he Outkast for CIN. Go find the ignorant to educate to your view and don't USE me.
Oi, don't drag the rest of us Danny supporters into this.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:51
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One thing Kevin could do is stop "throwing choreography" at his celebrity as he says. Less truly is more, as Aljaz worked out with his waltz for Abbey.
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Old 01-01-2017, 13:31
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Well spotted. Don't ever let truth get in the way of bit of controversy, eh.. A bit like the way that 2013 O'blubber video has been airbrushed from his portfolio so that there was no stopping the 'zero-dance experience' bull until the very end.
Fairly sure what's bull is claiming a bit of charity titting around is "dance experience".
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Old 01-01-2017, 13:37
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Fairly sure what's bull is claiming a bit of charity titting around is "dance experience".
When there are claims he did not even dance at his wedding, a bit of titting around for charity counts as dance experience.

If he (or anyone else) has just said his only experience was as per the video it would all have gone away.
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Old 01-01-2017, 13:51
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Nah people would have made stuff up anyway, like they did with Abbey, for whom "never danced before" was pushed even harder. Nobody really cares what Ore did for Comic Relief, just like they didn't care when it was Vanessa Feltz, Helen Skelton, Deborah Meaden, Fern Britton, Rufus Hound, Iwan Thomas, Richard Arnold, Peter Shilton or Scott Mills, all of whom are novices who did the show before they did Strictly, and for none of whom it was mentioned on the show as relevant training, because it's just a bit of titting about.
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Old 01-01-2017, 13:56
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Nah people would have made stuff up anyway, like they did with Abbey, for whom "never danced before" was pushed even harder. Nobody really cares what Ore did for Comic Relief, just like they didn't care when it was Vanessa Feltz, Helen Skelton, Deborah Meaden, Fern Britton, Rufus Hound, Iwan Thomas, Richard Arnold, Peter Shilton or Scott Mills, all of whom are novices who did the show before they did Strictly, and for none of whom it was mentioned on the show as relevant training, because it's just a bit of titting about.
Seems to matter when they look like winning and need the judges to protect them until the casual voters turn up for the finals.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:18
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Or for most of the series there were more obvious underdogs in Ed and Greg, who also had "total novice/never danced before" pushed until their votes ran dry.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:41
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When there are claims he did not even dance at his wedding, a bit of titting around for charity counts as dance experience.

If he (or anyone else) has just said his only experience was as per the video it would all have gone away.
Quote taken from The Radio Times 17 Dec - Who is Ore Oduba? Strictly Come Dancing 2016 contestant guide;

"Any dance experience? I haven’t stood in the corner at a party since I was ten and scared of girls. I love getting out there and going for it. I’m good at the Russian dance where you crouch down and kick your feet. I pulled that one out at my wedding. A lot of dances came out that night... some never to be seen again!"
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