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Old 18-12-2016, 11:05
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Continuation of American Presidential Election 2016 Thread

ignoring his behaviour for the last 18 months, his lifetime of dodgy business deals and conning people, as well as the cabinet appointments he has been making, requires a whole new level of naivety to think he is suddenly going to change his character just because he takes the oath of office
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:26
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ignoring his behaviour for the last 18 months, his lifetime of dodgy business deals and conning people, as well as the cabinet appointments he has been making, requires a whole new level of naivety to think he is suddenly going to change his character just because he takes the oath of office
Not naivety, just giving a person a chance, and not pre-judging him, why is that so wrong?

As I say, once he is in office, if he then does something that can be perceived as being wrong, then by all means have a go at him, as he would have deserved it, but to do so before he is even sworn in, does seem a bit unfair.
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:38
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Not naivety, just giving a person a chance, and not pre-judging him, why is that so wrong?

As I say, once he is in office, if he then does something that can be perceived as being wrong, then by all means have a go at him, as he would have deserved it, but to do so before he is even sworn in, does seem a bit unfair.
because its naive to think he is likely to change and you are assuming he will ...

for someone who isn't a trump supporter btw you spend a helluva lot of time defending him ...
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:40
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Not naivety, just giving a person a chance, and not pre-judging him, why is that so wrong?
How is it "pre-judging" him to look at his previous bad behaviour, and his current behaviour since he knows he is going to be president - including his manic bouts of ill-judged tweeting?
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:52
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because its naive to think he is likely to change and you are assuming he will ...

for someone who isn't a trump supporter btw you spend a helluva lot of time defending him ...
I am more intreagued by him, and what he will do, then I am a supporter of his.

He is just such a very different character, and unlike anyone who has ever taken office in my personal lifetime, hence why I am perhaps more willing to give him a chance I suppose.

How is it "pre-judging" him to look at his previous bad behaviour, and his current behaviour since he knows he is going to be president - including his manic bouts of ill-judged tweeting?
If I remember correctly, wasn't Obama addicted to his Blackberry, and the IM app on it just before he took office in 2008 (shows how old school that is now, and very dated!), and he changed his ways once in office.
So why can't Trump be given the same sort of leeway or chance to change?

If he doesn't, then by all means have a pop at him then, but to not give him even the opportunity for change, does somewhat not seem quite right or fair.
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:57
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If I remember correctly, wasn't Obama addicted to his Blackberry, and the IM app on it just before he took office in 2008 (shows how old school that is now, and very dated!), and he changed his ways once in office.
So why can't Trump be given the same sort of leeway or chance to change?
maybe because obama's social media use didn't look like they were being written by a petulant 7 year old
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:03
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If I remember correctly, wasn't Obama addicted to his Blackberry, and the IM app on it just before he took office in 2008 (shows how old school that is now, and very dated!), and he changed his ways once in office.
He used it, and wanted to keep it, and a compromise was reached whereby he had a version with modified functionality approved by his security advisors.

I'm not aware of him having a history of using it to send the deranged contents of his head to the entire world, so the comparison is without merit.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:09
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maybe because obama's social media use didn't look like they were being written by a petulant 7 year old
What they looked like, or how they were written, is not the issue here.

He used it, and wanted to keep it, and a compromise was reached whereby he had a version with modified functionality approved by his security advisors.

I'm not aware of him having a history of using it to send the deranged contents of his head to the entire world, so the comparison is without merit.
Why not wait and see if something similar happens with Trump? A compromise could be worked out with him and Twitter, just as it was between Obama and his use if his Blackberry.

The comparison is valid, what you think of the actual messages that either sent, are just personal opinion, and not really factual in nature, which is what we are talking about here.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:10
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What they looked like, or how they were written, is not the issue here.


of course its the issue and the fact you dont seem to realise that is what makes engaging with you on any subject so frustrating
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:17
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His cabinet is full of billionaires and generals...
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:29
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for someone who isn't a trump supporter btw you spend a helluva lot of time defending him ...
We see that a lot on here... people who aren't Trump supporters, people who aren't UKIp supporters, people who didn't vote for brexit, but seem to spend a lot of time defending them.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:33
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of course its the issue and the fact you dont seem to realise that is what makes engaging with you on any subject so frustrating
The issue is one of addiction, one person to Blackberry's IM app, which once in office was handled well, and the other addiction is to Twitter, once in office, well we don't know yet, this is point at hand.
If he is still tweeting as he is now (presumably using the official Presidential Twitter handle, rather than his own personal one,that he currently has now), then we can take issue with him over it, but just as with Obama and his addiction to IM, we should give him that same chance, and see ifhe changes.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:39
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we should give him that same chance
I swear you'd give Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler, Jack the Ripper, Adolf Hitler and Joffrey Baratheon a chance if they were still around.

There comes a time when someone, especially someone of Trump's age, has to be judged by their past behaviour, and whether they've shown any sign of improvement recently. Trump's past behaviour has been that of an ignorant immature imbecile, and there's no sign of improvement. So the chances of him changing after being inaugurated are extremely low.
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Old 18-12-2016, 12:51
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I swear you'd give Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler, Jack the Ripper, Adolf Hitler and Joffrey Baratheon a chance if they were still around.

There comes a time when someone, especially someone of Trump's age, has to be judged by their past behaviour, and whether they've shown any sign of improvement recently. Trump's past behaviour has been that of an ignorant immature imbecile, and there's no sign of improvement. So the chances of him changing after being inaugurated are extremely low.
They might be extremely low, but the point is, there is still that chance, so got fairness and balance, he should be given that chance.

If he messes it up, then if course it is in him, and he should be rightly criticised for messing up.
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:28
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We see that a lot on here... people who aren't Trump supporters, people who aren't UKIp supporters, people who didn't vote for brexit, but seem to spend a lot of time defending them.
Why, it's almost as though they were embarrassed to admit their preferences...
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:33
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The issue is one of addiction, one person to Blackberry's IM app, which once in office was handled well
I'm waiting for you to show us where Obama's "addiction" to his Blackberry wasn't handled well before he got into office.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:26
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They might be extremely low, but the point is, there is still that chance, so got fairness and balance, he should be given that chance.

If he messes it up, then if course it is in him, and he should be rightly criticised for messing up.
If he messes up (as you put it) - I'm afraid criticism might not be enough. The position of POTUS involved HUGE responsibilities - he has the welfare and safety of a whole country (and to some extent a lot of the rest of the world) literally at his fingertips. All this 'give him a chance' nonsense simply isn't good enough. The likelihood of him 'messing up' is almost inevitable - it's scary to even begin to think of where it could lead.

The phrase 'loose cannon' simply isn't strong enough - I can't think of a phrase BIGLY enough to describe what he is.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:37
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If he messes up (as you put it) - I'm afraid criticism might not be enough. The position of POTUS involved HUGE responsibilities - he has the welfare and safety of a whole country (and to some extent a lot of the rest of the world) literally at his fingertips. All this 'give him a chance' nonsense simply isn't good enough. The likelihood of him 'messing up' is almost inevitable - it's scary to even begin to think of where it could lead.

The phrase 'loose cannon' simply isn't strong enough - I can't think of a phrase BIGLY enough to describe what he is.
Trump never said BIGLY. He said ''big league''.
http://heatst.com/politics/did-trump...s-have-spoken/
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:42
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I hope this thread gets retired after the inauguration.
As the thread had 20,000+ posts we have just split it off in to this one. We would rather users create threads for new topics surrounding American politics but as the last thread centralized all topics surrounding the election we figured we would continue it this way. If the thread isn't constructive we will close it and members can just make separate threads for key news and discussion topics.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:50
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Oh thank God for that ..........it really makes such a huuuuuge difference. All is well with the world now.

As it happens - I did hear him say Big League but I also thought I heard bigly too on different occasions. Not that it really matters does it? He still speaks like a poorly educated teenager.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:50
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Is anyone who posts here actually going to DC for Trump's inauguration? I know someone who's attending a wedding on Sat. 21st Jan in DC so they arrive on 19th. They say they may go take a look! It'll be so busy and the security will be unprecedent. We'll see more on TV.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:54
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Is anyone who posts here going to DC for Trump's inauguration? I know someone who's attending a wedding on Sat. 21st Jan in DC so they arrive on 19th. They say they may go take a look. It'll be so busy and the security will be unprecedented. We'll see more on TV.
I don't think the entertainment will be to be up to much. It's rumoured that he's having difficulties booking a big act. Your pal will probably have a better 'turn' on at the wedding he's attending.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:55
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His cabinet is 50 times richer than George W Bush's cabinet, and most of them have little to no political experience.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:57
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His cabinet is full of billionaires and generals...
None of which actually know about the departments they are heading - billionaires know nothing other than how to make billions however they can, and the Generals have all been fixated on islamic fundamentalism , and share Trump's view that everyone globally should do as they order. There's no one there to even try and give Trump the five year old's introduction to diplomacy , international affairs, strategy, economics or science . There's also the economic posts manned by the bankers who gave us the Great Crash . And then there's Carson and Perry, the religious extremists, and a environment secretary who doesn't beieve in science.

Its not going to end well.
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:58
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I don't think the entertainment will be to be up to much. It's rumoured that he's having difficulties booking a big act. Your pal will probably have a better 'turn' on at the wedding he's attending.
Oh he means to see the actual swearing in but told them they won't get anywhere near the front unless they go very very early. I know we have US posters here so is anyone travelling from their home state to DC? I know they said there were 2 million for Obama's and they're expecting similar numbers this time.
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