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Old 26-12-2016, 12:31
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some of the defence from the trumpers is quite bizarre

if the message was only meant to refer to jesus then why emphasise there being a new king this christmas
Anyone with an ounce of understanding would see this is a religious reference to the birth of Jesus.

Maybe if Liberal Dems weren't so out of touch with Christian values shared by the vast majority of Americans they wouldn't keep losing.
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Old 26-12-2016, 12:35
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Anyone with an ounce of understanding would see this is a religious reference to the birth of Jesus.

Maybe if Liberal Dems weren't so out of touch with Christian values shared by the vast majority of Americans they wouldn't keep losing.
So who is the new King? The Wise Men didn't visit Jesus until several days after Christmas Day, but then I would think that Christians would know that
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Old 26-12-2016, 12:43
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So who is the new King? The Wise Men didn't visit Jesus until several days after Christmas Day, but then I would think that Christians would know that
The answer is stated 36 seconds into this video.

Jesus is the King of Kings - hence the reference to his birth as new and him being a King.

https://youtu.be/yp7eEpcn3R0

PS Jesus wasn't really Born on 25 December!
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:41
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I thought HHH was known as the King of Kings??
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Old 26-12-2016, 13:48
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Triple H wouldn't put that beared hippy over that's for sure.
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Old 26-12-2016, 14:02
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The answer is stated 36 seconds into this video.

Jesus is the King of Kings - hence the reference to his birth as new and him being a King.

https://youtu.be/yp7eEpcn3R0

PS Jesus wasn't really Born on 25 December!
So trump is a king, does that mean he'll want droit du seigneur over new brides? Are you suggesting Priebus knows the Wise Men came on the 25th December because Jesus was born on another date???
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Old 26-12-2016, 15:55
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Anyone with an ounce of understanding would see this is a religious reference to the birth of Jesus.

Maybe if Liberal Dems weren't so out of touch with Christian values shared by the vast majority of Americans they wouldn't keep losing.
You do realize that a Democrat just won a majority of votes last month, right?
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Old 26-12-2016, 16:01
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You do realize that a Democrat just won a majority of votes last month, right?
You still don't quite get it yet do you! Trump also won most states - doesn't matter either.

The electoral college determines who is the President under the US constitution and not any other system - something Clinton seemed to have forgotten about when she spent more on ads in California than in Michigan and Wisconsin!

Utter stupidity that cost her dear.

There really wasn't much point in Republicans even voting in California anyway - without which Clinton would have lost the popular vote by two million. The state of Reagan and Nixon has gone so liberal both the final two candidates in the senate race were Democrats and it was a foregone conclusion Clinton would win there. If the system was different then you might get a very different result.
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Old 26-12-2016, 16:52
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You still don't quite get it yet do you! Trump also won most states - doesn't matter either.

The electoral college determines who is the President under the US constitution and not any other system - something Clinton seemed to have forgotten about when she spent more on ads in California than in Michigan and Wisconsin!

Utter stupidity that cost her dear.

There really wasn't much point in Republicans even voting in California anyway - without which Clinton would have lost the popular vote by two million. The state of Reagan and Nixon has gone so liberal both the final two candidates in the senate race were Democrats and it was a foregone conclusion Clinton would win there. If the system was different then you might get a very different result.
BIB - here's the thing, California was won with a smaller amount of the vote (61% for Clinton), than Trump won several states - Alabama (62%), Kentucky (62.5%), North Dakota (63%), West Virginia (68.%). There are always going to be noncompetitive states, but the idea that you just throw away 2 million votes, because they didn't vote for the eventual winner is ridiculous.

Of course, the electoral college (in this election) was the deciding factor against the tide of popular vote - which still makes Trump president-elect, but the idea that if the system was different, it would somehow create a different outcome in California, is deeply misguided. The electorate there went to vote for 2 democrats for the state seat, and still found a way to give nearly a third of the vote to Trump. That proportion matches up fairly well with states like Maryland and Massachusetts, and I don't see anyone looking to delete the ~3.5 million votes cast there for Clinton.

California is a useful football for people to kick around, as some kind of 'evidence' that Trump could have won CA if the electoral system was different - each state has quirks and some unusual voting methods, but the practice of nominating the two largest vote getters, no matter the party isn't unique. Louisiana has it (plus that weird run-off thing!), and managed to elect both Trump and a Republican senator - any screams of unfairness there?
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Old 26-12-2016, 19:05
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Anyone with an ounce of understanding would see this is a religious reference to the birth of Jesus.

Maybe if Liberal Dems weren't so out of touch with Christian values shared by the vast majority of Americans they wouldn't keep losing.
anyone with an ounce of sense would see the reference to a NEW king THIS christmas ...
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Old 26-12-2016, 19:29
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When trump does anything people say "christ..."
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Old 26-12-2016, 20:09
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You do realize that a Democrat just won a majority of votes last month, right?
Yet the republicans won the presidency, the house and senate, in other words they won big league. It was a massive rejection to the liberal policy makers. Now I'm looking forward rather than the past, I want good relations with Putin and Russia, I want ISIS destroyed.
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Old 26-12-2016, 20:19
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People can moan about the popular vote all they want. It isn't going to change the result.

As for the DNC. The clowns running it are so delusional, I wouldn't be shocked if they tried running with Hilary Clinton again.

Then they can scream that her critics are sexist AND ageist. How can they lose?
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Old 26-12-2016, 20:23
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People can moan about the popular vote all they want. It isn't going to change the result.
Well maybe Trump supporters should stop acting like it was a "landslide" or the vast majority wanted Trump. Because they didn't. 3 million more voted for Clinton, and that is a fact, and the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by a big margin is clearly hurting him and his supporters despite him winning the presidency.
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Old 26-12-2016, 20:23
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Now I'm looking forward rather than the past, I want good relations with Putin and Russia, I want ISIS destroyed.
I suspect that you in for a huge disappointment.

And lol at the Democratic Party being liberal. Bar some exceptions it's more right wing than May's government.
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Old 26-12-2016, 20:28
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I suspect that you in for a huge disappointment.

And lol at the Democratic Party being liberal. Bar some exceptions it's more right wing than May's government.
Time will tell.

Which is one thing that makes America so great for me, its nowhere near as liberal as the UK!
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Old 26-12-2016, 21:34
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Well maybe Trump supporters should stop acting like it was a "landslide" or the vast majority wanted Trump. Because they didn't. 3 million more voted for Clinton, and that is a fact, and the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by a big margin is clearly hurting him and his supporters despite him winning the presidency.
But the popular vote means what, in terms of who wins the Presidency, oh yeah, that is right, absolutely nothing, so it is completely pointless to keep bringing it up.
You might as well count the amount of bananas in the country, and say however many of them there are, as that number means the same in terms if who wins the election.
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Old 26-12-2016, 21:38
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Yet the republicans won the presidency, the house and senate, in other words they won big league. It was a massive rejection to the liberal policy makers. Now I'm looking forward rather than the past, I want good relations with Putin and Russia, I want ISIS destroyed.
Good for you, but the idea that Americans wholesale rejected liberal politics when they overwhelmingly voted for a liberal for president nullifies your point. The fact that more of those people live in solidly liberal areas instead of in the suburbs and rural areas is a problem for liberals, but it doesn't equate to a rejection of liberal ideas by the electorate.

no need to make up a soothing narrative when reality will do. cities are increasingly liberal, non-urban is not. politics is divided, with educated voters and minorities breaking liberal and white, non-college educated breaking conservative.
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Old 26-12-2016, 21:40
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Time will tell.

Which is one thing that makes America so great for me, its nowhere near as liberal as the UK!
It is in most of the places you'd want to live. It really breaks down state to state, more liberal states are as liberal as they can be and equate with European countries. States like Kentucky are still a few decades behind.
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Old 26-12-2016, 23:15
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Hilary Clinton a liberal?

Now that's the best joke I have seen posted in this thread. She's only "liberal" when it's politically safe.
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Old 27-12-2016, 03:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBluYsydAVc

its all the white mans fault
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Old 27-12-2016, 07:30
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So that excludes trump
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Old 27-12-2016, 08:11
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So that excludes trump
he is referenced in the video
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Old 27-12-2016, 10:46
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The left is in trouble, both in the US and here in the UK. Their core WWC vote has deserted them, and there aren't enough minorities, welfare recipients or latte liberals to get them back into power.
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Old 27-12-2016, 11:04
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The left is in trouble, both in the US and here in the UK. Their core WWC vote has deserted them, and there aren't enough minorities, welfare recipients or latte liberals to get them back into power.
They now have complete disdain for the WWC. They sneer at them as they label then ''uneducated whites''. You can see this attitude throughout this thread and its predecessor.
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