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Old 27-12-2016, 11:25
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The DNC alienated their core members by courting Republican voters, and wound up driving both away because many Republican voters can't stand Clinton who they rightly or wrongly have been conditioned for years to hate and distrust.

Also the open disdain by the DNC for the left of the party is still on display today. I can see the actual left abandoning them all together at the current rate.

They will shift further right and lose even harder next time. Bernie "should have cut and run after the primaries" Sanders and Elizabeth "fence sitter" Warren will be taken down with them.

Though I can see Sanders calling it quits soon and am convinced that Warren is waiting for her chance to run.
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Old 27-12-2016, 12:32
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Trump's racist followers are not at all happy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...emacy-backlash
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Old 27-12-2016, 12:46
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A non story about a very small number of people who attended some really a while back - but it will no doubt excite the posters on the Guardian forum. Or are you claiming all 60 million Americans who voted for Trump are far right?

Any one in the election notice the networks constantly referring to non college educated white people or uneducated white people or low income white people voting for Trump - and implying they were stupid.

Oddly they never made any such references to non college educated or poorly educated people of any other race voting for Hillary - they wouldn't dare as it would be seen as racist. Apparently everyone else can vote in their own interests it seems - except if they are white working class or middle class people without a college degree!
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Old 27-12-2016, 13:20
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You think it's a very small number of people? Seriously?

All of these groups played a part in Trump's victory, and now they want their payoff.
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Old 27-12-2016, 13:33
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You think it's a very small number of people? Seriously?

All of these groups played a part in Trump's victory, and now they want their payoff.
Well that Guardian article refers to the opinions of one man who represents no one but himself bar referencing some loony institute he probably runs from his bedroom.

I hardly think Trump is going to pay much attention to anti semites given his daughter and grandkids are Jewish.
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Old 27-12-2016, 14:12
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Well that Guardian article refers to the opinions of one man who represents no one but himself bar referencing some loony institute he probably runs from his bedroom.
To be fair, it reports the views of a number of knuckledragging alt-right loons who voted for Trump and are already disillusioned.
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Old 27-12-2016, 14:54
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To be fair, it reports the views of a number of knuckledragging alt-right loons who voted for Trump and are already disillusioned.
I know people like to distance themselves from these sort of people and the attitudes etc. but does no one actually stop to think what it is about Trump that attracts these sort of people? What is it that he says/stands for that garners their support exactly?
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Old 27-12-2016, 14:57
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I know people like to distance themselves from these sort of people and the attitudes etc. but does no one actually stop to think what it is about Trump that attracts these sort of people? What is it that he says/stands for that garners their support exactly?
What is it about Hillary that attracts the father of someone who murdered dozens of young gay men in Florida to vote for her? Why is it the Democrats are so keen for criminals to have the vote - what is it about violent criminals that attracts them to vote Democrat and for Hillary?

Its such a silly argument and a further sign of lack of self awareness from the losing side. There are extremists on both sides but they don't represent the majority.
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Old 27-12-2016, 15:50
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What is it about Hillary that attracts the father of someone who murdered dozens of young gay men in Florida to vote for her? Why is it the Democrats are so keen for criminals to have the vote - what is it about violent criminals that attracts them to vote Democrat and for Hillary?

Its such a silly argument and a further sign of lack of self awareness from the losing side. There are extremists on both sides but they don't represent the majority.
A huuuuuuuuuuge difference between deranged individuals and large, racist, established proud, LOUD groups!
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Old 27-12-2016, 15:57
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A huuuuuuuuuuge difference between deranged individuals and large, racist, established proud, LOUD groups!
Does it matter if a group is loud or not, surely it is their respective viewpoints that matter, so why emphasise "LOUD"?!
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Old 27-12-2016, 17:25
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A non story about a very small number of people who attended some really a while back - but it will no doubt excite the posters on the Guardian forum. Or are you claiming all 60 million Americans who voted for Trump are far right?

Any one in the election notice the networks constantly referring to non college educated white people or uneducated white people or low income white people voting for Trump - and implying they were stupid.

Oddly they never made any such references to non college educated or poorly educated people of any other race voting for Hillary - they wouldn't dare as it would be seen as racist. Apparently everyone else can vote in their own interests it seems - except if they are white working class or middle class people without a college degree!
They may not be far-right, but they just cosigned for a far-right President, so it's a distinction without a difference at this point.

Nobody claims that lack of education = stupidity, but it does equal a lack of education and all of the skills that higher education provides.

Everybody votes in their own self-interest, white people included. Please stop trying to play victimized white person card, it's ridiculous. POC vote for Democrats because the GOP is terrible for their communities. Poor uneducated whites vote for the GOP because the don't understand economics or trade, and are quick to follow someone who gives voice to their economic frustrations (and some of course are just racist).
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Old 28-12-2016, 07:15
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He's constantly shown that he doesn't have the temperament to be President. He shouldn't even be aware of criticism, less care and certainly not to the point where he's taking time to go on Twitter to address every critical comment, article or editorial. He has no experience whatsoever in running an administration so he should be doing nothing for the next 3 weeks other than studying what it means to be president, interspersed with the occasional meal and the odd kip.

He's clearly a man who can and probably will be provoked quite easily by foreign governments.
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Old 28-12-2016, 10:11
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Can someone explain with is meant by the term "lack of education"?!

Does that mean not going to school at all, or does it just mean not going to University/College?

Surely most Americans at least go to school?

I am just trying to work out what is meant here that is all.
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Old 28-12-2016, 10:26
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Can someone explain with is meant by the term "lack of education"?!

Does that mean not going to school at all, or does it just mean not going to University/College?

Surely most Americans at least go to school?

I am just trying to work out what is meant here that is all.
I think the term is college or non college educated - but it's never a label given to Hispanics or African American voters backing Democrats just white voters. I have never heard the term non college educated Hispanics or African American voters used on any US network when discussing the results - even though demographics clearly play a part there too.

Although if you watched the election results Many MSNBC and CNN pundits seemed to regard 'non college educated white voters' who tended to vote for Trump as equivalent to pond life.

However it's often a proxy for age - as in the UK with Brexit. Going to university was not an option for much of the older generation whereas degrees are now two a penny for the under 35s.
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Old 28-12-2016, 10:32
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Here's a detailed article about education in the USA if you're interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educat..._United_States
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Old 28-12-2016, 10:42
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I think the term is college or non college educated - but it's never a label given to Hispanics or African American voters backing Democrats just white voters. I have never heard the term non college educated Hispanics or African American voters used on any US network when discussing the results - even though demographics clearly play a part there too.

Although if you watched the election results Many MSNBC and CNN pundits seemed to regard 'non college educated white voters' who tended to vote for Trump as equivalent to pond life.

However it's often a proxy for age - as in the UK with Brexit. Going to university was not an option for much of the older generation whereas degrees are now two a penny for the under 35s.
Many thanks for taking the time to reply to my post, you have helped me to understand things a bit more.
It is always interesting that they on the TV and in the press use such terms, without really saying what they mean, and just expecting their audience to understand immediately what they are saying.

When talking about degrees, there should be talk of post graduate and under graduate degrees, as they are very different, and the former requires more time spent to get it than the latter.

So going back to the point at hand, there really should be a sort of glossary of terms, that the media should put out,so that it is is clear what is meant in discussions of such a political nature, as not everyone will immediately be ofay with all of what is being talked about.
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Old 28-12-2016, 11:09
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A huuuuuuuuuuge difference between deranged individuals and large, racist, established proud, LOUD groups!
So you think murderers and violent criminals are less dangerous than people who make oral comments or who do offensive tweets?
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Old 28-12-2016, 13:26
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This is a prime example of injustice.

Director Pamela Taylor of CCDC was dismissed by democratic Governor Earl Ray Tomblin over an insult to a first lady.

Politics of fear mongering hardly justify Democrats' alleged moral grounds and their popularity.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-we...-idUSKBN14G1HH
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Old 28-12-2016, 14:03
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This is a prime example of injustice.

Director Pamela Taylor of CCDC was dismissed by democratic Governor Earl Ray Tomblin over an insult to a first lady.

Politics of fear mongering hardly justify Democrats' alleged moral grounds and their popularity.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-we...-idUSKBN14G1HH
From the first paragraph of the article.

The director of a West Virginia nonprofit agency who called first lady Michelle Obama "an ape in heels" in a Facebook post has been fired and the institution put under outside management, state officials said on Tuesday.


BIB is a bit more than just an insult, it is racially charged.
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Old 28-12-2016, 14:18
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This is a prime example of injustice.

Director Pamela Taylor of CCDC was dismissed by democratic Governor Earl Ray Tomblin over an insult to a first lady.

Politics of fear mongering hardly justify Democrats' alleged moral grounds and their popularity.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-we...-idUSKBN14G1HH
What perhaps more sums up the state of the modern world is that the Facebook post of some woman who runs a body that provides care for the elderly and disabled in West Virginia 'drew international condemnation'.

Don't worry about ISIS or Yemen or Iraq or Syria - the world unites in condemnation of a stupid Facebook post by a woman who is a minor bureaucrat in West Virginia.
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Old 28-12-2016, 14:47
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This is a prime example of injustice.

Director Pamela Taylor of CCDC was dismissed by democratic Governor Earl Ray Tomblin over an insult to a first lady.

Politics of fear mongering hardly justify Democrats' alleged moral grounds and their popularity.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-we...-idUSKBN14G1HH
it was not just an insult - there is a racial dimension to it as well - she was not fired for insulting the first lady, but for making a racist post.
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Old 28-12-2016, 14:49
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This is a prime example of injustice.

Director Pamela Taylor of CCDC was dismissed by democratic Governor Earl Ray Tomblin over an insult to a first lady.

Politics of fear mongering hardly justify Democrats' alleged moral grounds and their popularity.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-we...-idUSKBN14G1HH
Sounds like a prime example of justice to me. They can appoint someone who isn't a racist moron.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:30
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Loudon Wainwright 111 a prophet. I didn't see this back in June!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjINbGQ9Vpo
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:49
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What perhaps more sums up the state of the modern world is that the Facebook post of some woman who runs a body that provides care for the elderly and disabled in West Virginia 'drew international condemnation'.

Don't worry about ISIS or Yemen or Iraq or Syria - the world unites in condemnation of a stupid Facebook post by a woman who is a minor bureaucrat in West Virginia.
Is it impossible in your world to care about multiple things simultaneously?
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Old 28-12-2016, 17:38
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Is it impossible in your world to care about multiple things simultaneously?
What some minor bureaucrat in West Virginia posts on Facebook is not really top of my list of major world incidents at present.
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