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Old 01-01-2017, 02:22
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Probably because we're talking about people who actually agree with these things, as abhorrent as they are.

This is Digitalspy after all.
I get it and I'm not generally intolerant of views but the way people act as if this is some big joke when what it is is one of the most frightening times for equality and progressive rights and liberties in the west for 80 years, is very irksome.

It's like some think he's Jeremy Clarkson. Some shoot-from-the-hip 'man of the people' who says things about foreigners and it's all very amusing.
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Old 01-01-2017, 02:48
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I think it's a bit tragic to be honest that some people are acting like the election of a man on record as saying he wants to make it harder for women to get abortions, has once called for a ban on people entering the country because of their religion and has a VP who has previously introduced measures to legalise shock 'treatment' for homosexuality and diverted funding away from AIDS to pay for it, as some kind of jolly laugh.

Maybe when the first woman dies through having to get a back alley abortion in a conservative state once Roe v Wade is overturned we can take this dangerous imbecile seriously and stop taking it as some kind of puerile game of 'ho ho ho, what a jolly time this will be'.
As a British person, what exactly is there that can be done, moaning about him from this far away will not change any of his polices.

One can say that they don't like him, or that he is evil incarnate etc, but realistically after all of the depressing talk has been said, what can we do from this far away?

All the doom and gloom in the world, will not change the fact that he will become President on a few weeks time.

Starting an online petition will not change anything that he might be planning on doing, so one from across the pond, can you just sit back and see what happens.

It is down to the Americans, and the Americas alone to sort him out, as they are the only ones with the power to try and get rid of him, if they so wish.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:26
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Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love

(The President elects' New Year tweet)

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonal...85071317676033
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:32
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Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love

(The President elects' New Year tweet)

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonal...85071317676033
He becomes more presidential and statesmanlike with each passing day doesn't he?
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:44
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Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love

(The President elects' New Year tweet)

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonal...85071317676033
i thought that was you posting that as yourself Marty at first


think how whiny Trump's tweets would have been if he had lost given he is like this after winning
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:47
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He really is just a petulant manchild.

How will he cope when the secret services take away his Twitter account?
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:49
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i thought that was you posting that as yourself Marty at first
Maybe I was just being cryptic!

He did do another tweet at midnight.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonal...547073/photo/1

Roll on 20 January - it's going to be a rollercoaster ride.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:50
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He really is just a petulant manchild.

How will he cope when the secret services take away his Twitter account?
He will just move to the official Presidential one.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:59
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there is a feature available to the US president called Wireless Emergency Alerts that can send a text message to every single phone supported by a US carrier, and is unblockable. Its designed, as the name suggests, to notify people of emergency situations such as some sort of nationwide environmental crisis or attack.

hope no-one has told Trump about it
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Old 01-01-2017, 13:05
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Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love
Yes....that would have been funnier if you had said it.

You have shown unconditional love for President Elect Trump who trusts Putin more than he trusts the CIA. And that is before we start to see poor* Americans with treatable terminal conditions, just curl up and die.....just like they always did under a Republican President.

You must be so relieved that the forum software prevents multiple Bookmarking.



* Possible extra/optional word between "Poor" and "Americans".
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Old 01-01-2017, 13:34
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Yes....that would have been funnier if you had said it.

You have shown unconditional love for President Elect Trump who trusts Putin more than he trusts the CIA. And that is before we start to see poor* Americans with treatable terminal conditions, just curl up and die.....just like they always did under a Republican President.

You must be so relieved that the forum software prevents multiple Bookmarking.



* Possible extra/optional word between "Poor" and "Americans".
Who knows we might see an end to the war in Syria - with no more arming of al Qaeda and their 'pro democracy' allies and a concerted focus on defeating ISIS. Obama has become so impotent he isn't even a party to the recently agreed cease fire brokered by Russia and Turkey.

We might see a bit less of a love in with Saudi Arabia - a nation actually has the death penalty for gay people. Not that their virulently homophobic polices are ever much referenced in the media - despite their support for extreme fundamentalism which is the inspiration for much of the terrorism in the world.

We might even see the UK near the front of the queue for trade deals post Brexit - not at the back.

As for health care - as Michael Moore so well put it - what's the use of being on a worthless Obama care bronze plan. Maybe there are better alternatives that need exploring cos the premiums are making it unaffordable for many,

As for poor Americans - 45 millions on food stamps and 93 million adults of working age not working? What a legacy!
So we shall see. But things are way more complicated and nuanced - Russia bad Saudis good etc etc. - saves having to think too hard!
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Old 01-01-2017, 13:56
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there is a feature available to the US president called Wireless Emergency Alerts that can send a text message to every single phone supported by a US carrier, and is unblockable. Its designed, as the name suggests, to notify people of emergency situations such as some sort of nationwide environmental crisis or attack.

hope no-one has told Trump about it
Are these alerts part of Twitter?

If not, then why worry?
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:02
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as usual marty any time anyone questions how bad things could be under trump your default answer is to deflect onto what happening in syria, when we have zero idea what trump would actually do apart from bending over and letting the russians do whatever they want

you mention saudi arabia, i cant remember trump ever suggesting he will do anything different as far as the US relationship with them, and as for suggesting that gay rights might be a factor in any change you do realise that trump is at least nominally a republican and his VP has a pretty backward history with gay rights in his own state

you mention the situation with obamacare, but what has trump actually suggested he is going to do to fix it? apart from it being something "terrific". the latest i heard was the plan was to repeal obamacare but defer the actual date where that repeal would come into effect til 2020. basically leaving the problem for his successor.

you have also consistently ignored how almost every one of Trump's economic policies will favour the sort of global corporatism you have spent the last couple of years moaning about, or how the people Trump is appointing to his key economic positions are all either the very same goldman sachs types you also spent the last 2 years whining about, or longtime political operatives and/or GOP donors.

lastly, given Trump's stated position on trade deals the very last thing i would think we would want is to be at the front of the queue for any trade deal that would satisfy his "America First" intention
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:11
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as usual marty any time anyone questions how bad things could be under trump your default answer is to deflect onto what happening in syria, when we have zero idea what trump would actually do apart from bending over and letting the russians do whatever they want
And to think I awarded you the honour of Digital spy politics forum poster of the year in the 2016 awards threads!

I do actually regard Syria as very important and perhaps the most critical issue - as its a civil war on Europe's borders creating a massive refugee and humanitarian crisis that is creating issues in Europe too. Assad isn't great but if the alternative is Syria run by al Qaeda and ISIS or a never ending war with more deaths then that is perhaps the only realistic alternative.

The problem with the current US administration is they really aren't doing much at all - bar cheap talk. Someone has to end this war they started.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:24
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And to think I awarded you the honour of Digital spy politics forum poster of the year in the 2016 awards threads!

I do actually regard Syria as very important and perhaps the most critical issue - as its a civil war on Europe's borders creating a massive refugee and humanitarian crisis that is creating issues in Europe too. Assad isn't great but if the alternative is Syria run by al Qaeda and ISIS or a never ending war with more deaths then that is perhaps the only realistic alternative.

The problem with the current US administration is they really aren't doing much at all - bar cheap talk. Someone has to end this war they started.
what about the rest of the post Marty, or are you just gonna continue to pretend Trump isn't embracing global capitalism with his cabinet posts or that the people forming his economic team used to work for a different Goldman Sachs

that his economic policies aren't actually going to do much to help the "working american" but will have the "elites" laughing all the way to the bank ?

maybe you are happy with "elites" as long as they are the right sort of "elites"

are we just gonna spend the next 4 years on this thread with "but clinton" being the stock answer to anything trump does?
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:29
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The Trumpette mental gymnastics is what I'm most looking forward to.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:44
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what about the rest of the post Marty, or are you just gonna continue to pretend Trump isn't embracing global capitalism with his cabinet posts or that the people forming his economic team used to work for a different Goldman Sachs

that his economic policies aren't actually going to do much to help the "working american" but will have the "elites" laughing all the way to the bank ?

maybe you are happy with "elites" as long as they are the right sort of "elites"

are we just gonna spend the next 4 years on this thread with "but clinton" being the stock answer to anything trump does?
Maybe instead of assuming the worst and impending Armageddon you should just wait and see what happens. We have enough impending doom and disaster Brexit threads.

Clearly the elites weren't entirely happy with him as they all backed HRC.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:45
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Maybe instead of assuming the worst and impending Armageddon you should just wait and see what happens. We have enough impending doom and disaster Brexit threads.

Clearly the elites weren't entirely happy with him as they all backed HRC.
so how many of these "elites" that Trump has appointed to his cabinet were Clinton supporters ?

or is that just one of these throwaway comments that sound good but dont actually mean anything and still avoids answering the question ?
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:50
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Trump is the future.
That will be why he is suggesting that the military should go back to communicating via paper and couriers. No radio, no telephones - just some poor sap with an envelope.

One day he might get to the level of advancing by banging two rocks together!

https://twitter.com/tgreene319/statu...48158182096896

And here I have been thinking we are in the 21st century, not the 19th.
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Old 01-01-2017, 15:17
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That will be why he is suggesting that the military should go back to communicating via paper and couriers. No radio, no telephones - just some poor sap with an envelope.

One day he might get to the level of advancing by banging two rocks together!

https://twitter.com/tgreene319/statu...48158182096896

And here I have been thinking we are in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Hey it is a lot harder to hack a piece of a paper then it is a computer terminal, so he might be onto something there!
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Old 01-01-2017, 15:26
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Who knows we might see an end to the war in Syria - with no more arming of al Qaeda and their 'pro democracy' allies and a concerted focus on defeating ISIS. Obama has become so impotent he isn't even a party to the recently agreed cease fire brokered by Russia and Turkey.

We might see a bit less of a love in with Saudi Arabia - a nation actually has the death penalty for gay people. Not that their virulently homophobic polices are ever much referenced in the media - despite their support for extreme fundamentalism which is the inspiration for much of the terrorism in the world.

We might even see the UK near the front of the queue for trade deals post Brexit - not at the back.

As for health care - as Michael Moore so well put it - what's the use of being on a worthless Obama care bronze plan. Maybe there are better alternatives that need exploring cos the premiums are making it unaffordable for many,

As for poor Americans - 45 millions on food stamps and 93 million adults of working age not working? What a legacy!
So we shall see. But things are way more complicated and nuanced - Russia bad Saudis good etc etc. - saves having to think too hard!
ISIS has never been externally armed. its captured its weapons from the Syrian, and Iraqi armies , and a few from other opposition groups. The Shia Syrian army is still too small to hold territory- it lost a major Russian used airfield, while most of its troops were wading into Aleppo - along with a major ammunition dump.... ISIS is already being defeated - by allied airpower, locals, Iraqi forces and the Kurds. That still leaves Syria with a Shia dictatorship, with too few infantry, trying to hold down a Sunni majority that now hate them. The war will go on.

About the one thing Trump does realise, is that Iran is a far bigger, far more militant, and better armed, threat than Saudi Arabia. Even he isn't going to fall for the Iranian propaganda line.

Trump doesn't believe in free trade - he believes in treaties that are one sided, for US companies , and protect US jobs - or at least enough jobs for a few headlines. Even if we could get a trade deal, no one here might gain from it. It won't happen anyway, as we can't even start negotiating till 2019, it will take years, then more years for the Senate to ratify it. Trump will be dead, demented, deposed or just long gone, by then.

The Trump economic miracle died before it arrived. The promised 4%, magic, growth, now looks like being redefined as 4% cash growth- which, after inflation, will end up as 2% real growth, and a massive increase in the defecit. The growth rate will stay the same, the debt go up, Trump's pals will save a lot of tax. And that assumes he doesn't rerun the Great Depression - by starting a global trade war, with protectionism.
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Old 01-01-2017, 20:09
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Hey it is a lot harder to hack a piece of a paper then it is a computer terminal, so he might be onto something there!
Try telling that to all those couriers who lost their lives during WWII

After that consider the following - the Korean War never actually ended and there has been a cease-fire system

So let us assume that the North Korean government actually followed through on the now annual threat to fire nukes on US - and the East Coast is at the edge of claimed missile technology.

So how is the spy who might have information going to do - send the information by international airmail!

Is President Trump going to be complaining that nobody told him that North Korea were planning to nuke New York only to be told that the letter was stuck in the post - or the courier was stuck on the Washington Beltway!

It is a joke and not a very funny one at that - and you alongside other Trumpers keep telling us to give him a chance. Yet every time he opens his mouth he says something monumentally stupid - pretty good going for someone who think he is smart.
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:03
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I get it and I'm not generally intolerant of views but the way people act as if this is some big joke when what it is is one of the most frightening times for equality and progressive rights and liberties in the west for 80 years, is very irksome.

It's like some think he's Jeremy Clarkson. Some shoot-from-the-hip 'man of the people' who says things about foreigners and it's all very amusing.
Such overblown hysteria - 80 years takes us back to 1936. Did you miss WWII and the Cold War - which on a couple of occasions came very close to nuclear war.

What has caused this is a reaction to the 2008 economic crisis and the austerity and inequality that has resulted - with people feeling politicians like Obama and Cameron and their central banker apparatchiks weren't looking after the interests of their own people and were more interested in protecting those of the uber wealthy, big corporations and elites.

In 2016 the voters have just reminded the politicians who they are supposed to be working for. And you can blame much of the liberal left for that reaction - no understanding of what life is like for people who live in places like Ohio or Sunderland and sneering at the same people as ignorant and uneducated.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:08
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Such overblown hysteria - 80 years takes us back to 1936. Did you miss WWII and the Cold War - which on a couple of occasions came very close to nuclear war.

What has caused this is a reaction to the 2008 economic crisis and the austerity and inequality that has resulted - with people feeling politicians like Obama and Cameron and their central banker apparatchiks weren't looking after the interests of their own people and were more interested in protecting those of the uber wealthy, big corporations and elites.

In 2016 the voters have just reminded the politicians who they are supposed to be working for. And you can blame much of the liberal left for that reaction - no understanding of what life is like for people who live in places like Ohio or Sunderland and sneering at the same people as ignorant and uneducated.

And you honestly think that Brexit and Trump is gonna make the lives of these people better?

How does that work then? So ............they have made their voices heard - they've really and truly cut their noses off to spite their faces.

I don't sneer at these people - I'm f*******g livid.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:33
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In 2016 the voters have just reminded the politicians who they are supposed to be working for. And you can blame much of the liberal left for that reaction - no understanding of what life is like for people who live in places like Ohio or Sunderland and sneering at the same people as ignorant and uneducated.
But they did not. By the largest margin of any losing candidate in US election history more people went for Clinton than Trump.

The Brexit vote was won on a relatively thin margin.

What these show is that both the US and UK are split right down the middle - what is does not show is some kind of rebellion by the masses against some liberal elite. Not least because Trump ended up bringing in another elite - that of business billionaires - into government.
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