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Assange! Not exactly a credible source to put it mildly.
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Assange thinks that his actions will set him free under this new regime. He is in for a rude awakening.
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How did Assange know?
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Google is your friend in case you missed the interview:-
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trump doesn't want to admit the Kremlin did the hacking as it would be an admission he's potus because of Putin.
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trump doesn't want to admit the Kremlin did the hacking as it would be an admission he's potus because of Putin.
he is so insecure he cant handle admitting anything that may tarnish his win |
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Surely there is a definite difference between hacking and phishing, especially in this case.
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trump doesn't want to admit the Kremlin did the hacking as it would be an admission he's potus because of Putin.
Did the Russians or anyone else, change someone's votes, or added votes that were not there, or take away votes etc? Precisely how did they win it for Trump?? It does seem to be a very convenient narrative being put forward at this time to try and undermine, and delegitimise his win. Whatever happened to what Hillary said at the final debate, of just accepting the election winner, and not trying to distort things? My oh my, how that soon went out of the window! |
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Assange! Not exactly a credible source to put it mildly.
It was known months ago back in October but none of the major media outlets reported it ...until Assange made it impossible to ignore in this weeks interview. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/22335 Quote:
jpodesta I'm not sure who you can call a credible source these days.p@ssw0rd Regardless of any grudges Assange might have, the specific contents of WikiLeaks has yet to be debunked by anyone..which is more than can be said for anyone else. Of course I'm sure Russia hacks the US on a regular basis ...and vice versa (hypocrisy across the board in that regard)...but I'm not convinced it can be proven these specific leaks came from Russia given how they were hacked and how weak the security was. |
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I'm not sure who you can call a credible source these days.
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If Trump is sceptial and has reservations about the findings of the security services fair do's. However what good or positivity is he putting out there in ridiculing and making light of it all on Twitter?
Would it not be more sensible and mature to wait until the briefing on Friday (which it was always scheduled for in spite of what Trump says) before he starts with the quips and ridicule? How does he think he's coming across (and the US in general) when he seemingly prefers to take the word of Putin and Assange over his own security services? Personally - I don't understand anyone defending his ridiculous and childish actions. Are people honestly happy and feel secure in the knowledge that this egotistical, ignorant and think skinned man will be in charge of the Nations security in a couple of weeks. It's like the script from a comedy film. |
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Did the Russians or anyone else, change someone's votes, or added votes that were not there, or take away votes etc?
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Precisely how did they win it for Trump??
News management.By ensuring the timing and continued release of email leaks did maximum damage to Clinton but kept Trumps problems from getting the coverage they might have. Quote:
Whatever happened to what Hillary said at the final debate, of just accepting the election winner, and not trying to distort things? My oh my, how that soon went out of the window!
It was the Greens that called for the recounts - not the democrats. As it is those recounts did not show anything, but without proper auditing how do you know that votes were not changed? Not with certainty.
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Of course I'm sure Russia hacks the US on a regular basis ...and vice versa (hypocrisy across the board in that regard)...but I'm not convinced it can be proven these specific leaks came from Russia given how they were hacked and how weak the security was.
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I'm not so sure there is evidence that the machines were hacked but there are various ways it could have happened. Many of the machines are not connected to the internet - but once voting data is removed (sometimes by USB Drive/Stick) from the machines they are then processed on machines which are capable of being hacked. With the lack of any auditing it makes it even more difficult to determine. There have been concerned raised over electronic voting machines for years, as well as the machines used to read paper votes.
News management. By ensuring the timing and continued release of email leaks did maximum damage to Clinton but kept Trumps problems from getting the coverage they might have. It was the Greens that called for the recounts - not the democrats. As it is those recounts did not show anything, but without proper auditing how do you know that votes were not changed? Not with certainty. So you say you are not sure about the machines being hacked, or votes changed then, so not quite as certain as the easy headlines of "Russia hacks the election for Trump" then? Without actually having any actual you know evidence that Russia changed a single vote either away from Hillary, or for Trump, then until evidence becomes clear, this is just sounding like a very, very easy get out clause/excuse for the Democrats, that Trump could not have beaten her fair and square, it had to be because of some other reason, Trump being the better candidate according to the voters, simply cannot be it. Very conspiracy theory orientated at this point. |
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i keep asking this question of the trumpers and it keeps getting ignored but if the accusations about russian intereference in the election was just about "sour grapes" from the democrats then why are the most powerful republicans in congress supporting the sanctions already put in place and calling for more action ?
people who have actually seen the intelligence information btw |
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i keep asking this question of the trumpers and it keeps getting ignored but if the accusations about russian intereference in the election was just about "sour grapes" from the democrats then why are the most powerful republicans in congress supporting the sanctions already put in place and calling for more action ?
people who have actually seen the intelligence information btw |
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Assange! Not exactly a credible source to put it mildly.
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Why he isn't known for releasing false stories
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i keep asking this question of the trumpers and it keeps getting ignored but if the accusations about russian intereference in the election was just about "sour grapes" from the democrats then why are the most powerful republicans in congress supporting the sanctions already put in place and calling for more action ?
people who have actually seen the intelligence information btw Trump is defying all the existing logic given his continued attacks on US security agencies - and whining about his 'changed' Friday meeting (which it turns out was never changed in the first place) is just yet another piece in the Trump Crazy Puzzle! Trump is the one who will end up looking rather weak - once he's POTUS (and that's the important bit). Right now, he can complain about Obama's actions, but in a couple of weeks time, there's no place to deflect to. He can't complain about changed meetings - because his office set the agenda, not the agencies. Right now, it sounds vaguely plausible that the agencies are pushing Trump to the back of the queue, when it comes to receiving security intelligence - even though it's false - but he has a very limited window, when he can feasibly still shout about being stuck outside of the inner circle of knowledge. Once he's the first call the intelligence agencies make, there's no more he can complain about! |
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He is an alleged rapist, evading justice.
Well one did. |
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She dropped the charges ages ago...
Well one did. |
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So why is he still holed up in the embassy?
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Im guessing the cia and mi6 have something to do with that.
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He is an alleged rapist, evading justice.
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