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Old 19-12-2016, 14:39
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Given the Senate and the House will almost certainly be Repiblican controlled for the next 4 years the chance of an impeachment is close to zero.
When they could get Pence as potus and prove to the country that they believe in the constitution.
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Old 19-12-2016, 14:40
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i still think he'll just quit at some point in the next 4 years

he'll get bored with the job, frustrated by the constraints it has on him and fed up with the constant nitpicking over everything he does

he's already done what he wanted and that was win the election, it'll all be downhill for him from here
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Old 19-12-2016, 14:44
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Republicans will not switch to Hillary, or vote for anyone else, so anyone thinking or hoping for such a thing, is just living in a fantasy world of entirely their own making.
Isn't that the world most out of touch Hollywood celebrities live in - behind secure walls in big mansions?

Let's live behind a big wall and make ordinary American tv viewers and cinema goers pay for it!
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Old 19-12-2016, 14:47
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All this talk of switching sides etc, could anyone imagine the Tory party voting for Corbyn?

That is what is kind if being asked here, such outrageous a thing, that it just simply will not happen.

Republicans will not switch to Hillary, or vote for anyone else, so anyone thinking or hoping for such a thing, is just living in a fantasy world of entirely their own making.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-donald-trump

This year, at least eight of the 538 have indicated that they intend to break ranks with modern tradition and vote against their party in a protest directed squarely against Trump.

All but one of those rebels are Democratic, which is not coincidental. Many of these Democrats see the electoral college as the last-ditch hope of stopping Trump – the idea being that if their example can encourage their Republican fellow electors to follow suit and rally around a compromise alternative candidate, the Trump presidency can yet be abated.
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I would love to see 37 Republican electors vote for Hillary Clinton on Monday – after all, she did win the popular vote. But if we can’t get that, then I am willing to support a viable Republican alternative.
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Though Donald Trump won my state of Texas, I’m intending to write in a different Republican candidate when I come to vote. I haven’t decided yet who that will be.
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Our founding fathers specifically created the electoral college to protect smaller states from the tyranny of the majority. Electors should have a deliberative role – otherwise, why not just use jelly beans or bricks to deliver the final decision?

Since I announced my intention to vote according to my conscience, I have received about half a dozen death threats against me and my family. More happily, a person I’ve known for years who traces his ancestry back to the American revolution told me he thinks his forebears would have been proud of what I’m doing, which made me feel pretty good.
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Stopping Donald Trump is an emergency. It’s a moral imperative – we simply have to prevent a man like Trump from being elected to the presidency.
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So I’m doing everything in my power to keep that pledge. That means casting my electoral college ballot not for Clinton, who won my state of Washington, but for a compromise Republican candidate who other Republican electors can rally around to stop Trump getting elected. This is not about the Democratic or Republican party; it is about unifying us all for the benefit of the country.
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I leapt when I read that. It’s what we have right now: a candidate who during the campaign invited the Russians to spy on us and use cyberwarfare against our country. Donald Trump encouraged that to happen, and the evidence that we have suggests that’s precisely what Russia did. It strikes me as remarkable that documents that are more than 200 years old could have anticipated something like that happening.

The founding fathers also feared what they called “the little arts of popularity”. I take that to mean populism and demagoguery. They were afraid of a snake oil salesman running for the highest office – and frankly, that’s what we got.
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People have called me a “faithless” elector. I want to push back on that: I’m a conscientious elector or faithful elector. I believe I’m being faithful to the constitution by being true to my conscience, rather than just being a rubber stamp.
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So I am putting my country above my party and coming together with Republican electors. The hope is that we can unite around a more responsible Republican to lead this country.
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Old 19-12-2016, 14:52
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All this talk of switching sides etc, could anyone imagine the Tory party voting for Corbyn?

That is what is kind if being asked here, such outrageous a thing, that it just simply will not happen.

Republicans will not switch to Hillary, or vote for anyone else, so anyone thinking or hoping for such a thing, is just living in a fantasy world of entirely their own making.
would that fantasy world people are living in be the same one that The Rock is a greater sportsman than Muhammed Ali ?
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Old 19-12-2016, 16:41
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would that fantasy world people are living in be the same one that The Rock is a greater sportsman than Muhammed Ali ?
Each to their own view I say, but quite what that has to do with American politics, you have lost me.
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Old 19-12-2016, 16:48
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There is going to be a lot of bitterly disappointed people on here when Trump is sworn in with little resistance.

And then there will be a lot of bitterly disappointed Trump worshipers when he's exposed as a fraud in office. Though looking at his cabinet picks that is already happening.

Constantly banging on about how "dumb" his supporters are or how Clinton won the popular vote is just a colossal waste of time.

On Trump's cabinet though Jimmy Dore nails it yet again.

https://youtu.be/ER3LfDxetqo

America is a one party state in all but name.
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Old 19-12-2016, 16:53
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There is going to be a lot of bitterly disappointed people on here when Trump is sworn in with little resistance.

And then there will be a lot of bitterly disappointed Trump worshipers when he's exposed as a fraud in office. Though looking at his cabinet picks that is already happening.

Constantly banging on about how "dumb" his supporters are or how Clinton won the popular vote is just a colossal waste of time.

On Trump's cabinet though Jimmy Dore nails it yet again.

https://youtu.be/ER3LfDxetqo

America is a one party state in all but name.
Genuinely think Trump is going to be a very different politician to the establishment we have been used too. I'll freely admit if im wrong if he does a bad job (and no doubt many people will offer some vast resistance to this post which is fair enough).
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Old 19-12-2016, 17:29
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Genuinely think Trump is going to be a very different politician to the establishment we have been used too. I'll freely admit if im wrong if he does a bad job (and no doubt many people will offer some vast resistance to this post which is fair enough).
Different does not always mean better. Personally I think that the biggest problem is going to be his trade policies. Contrary to popular belief free trade has actually made countries richer - not poorer, being isolationist and insular which is what Trump seems to be will reverse that - eventually making countries poorer.

I also think he will fail to bring back manufacturing jobs - even if he persuades companies to move manufacturing back to the US Industry Week puts the US in top spot so not much room to bring a lot anyway - further increased automation will just reduce the number of actual jobs, increase the cost - but there will be no great increase in jobs created. Not that there are the people - the jobless rate in the US meets the technical definition of full employment, so not many people to do the jobs even if he did succeed.

That ignores his suitability for the job - which is also suspect.

(As an aside the UK is 11th)
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Old 19-12-2016, 17:39
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I am looking forward to seeing how he interacts with the other world leaders at all of the meetings that they have together, as he doesn't immediately come across as someone who will have much time for these sort of things.
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Old 19-12-2016, 18:34
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There is a running thread on the electoral college votes as they are announced by state.

Around 30 states have reported and so far there are it seems no faithless electors in states Trump won and everyone has abided by the vote in their state although one elector may have voted for Bernie Sanders rather than Clinton according to some reports. Florida, Texas, California and MIchigan are the larger states still to report.

Currently Trump on 179 and Clinton on 93

http://www.270towin.com/live-2016-pr...e-of-electors/

So it seems all those Hollywood celebs wasted their time on that silly and patronising video.
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Old 19-12-2016, 19:28
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Trump now at 240 and Clinton on 108 with Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvannia and Florida giving all their votes to Trump. Texas is due to report shortly which should take him over 270.

So much money spent by Jill Stein for such little result.
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Old 19-12-2016, 19:52
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Trump now at 240 and Clinton on 108 with Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvannia and Florida giving all their votes to Trump. Texas is due to report shortly which should take him over 270.

So much money spent by Jill Stein for such little result.
excellent news.
i wonder what the sore losers will come up with next.
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Old 19-12-2016, 19:59
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Different does not always mean better. Personally I think that the biggest problem is going to be his trade policies. Contrary to popular belief free trade has actually made countries richer - not poorer, being isolationist and insular which is what Trump seems to be will reverse that - eventually making countries poorer.

I also think he will fail to bring back manufacturing jobs - even if he persuades companies to move manufacturing back to the US Industry Week puts the US in top spot so not much room to bring a lot anyway - further increased automation will just reduce the number of actual jobs, increase the cost - but there will be no great increase in jobs created. Not that there are the people - the jobless rate in the US meets the technical definition of full employment, so not many people to do the jobs even if he did succeed.

That ignores his suitability for the job - which is also suspect.

(As an aside the UK is 11th)
Hmm I take your point, but i am unconvinced that globalisation has made all people richer, it may of made growth bigger but not necessarily growth for all.
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Old 19-12-2016, 20:09
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excellent news.
i wonder what the sore losers will come up with next.
The outgoing Vice President Joe Biden still has to preside over the formal announcement of the electoral college vote at a joint session of congress at 1pm on Friday 6 January,

So it's not technically official until then.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:50
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Trump now 2 short of 270. And far from faithless electors deserting Trump it's actually Hillary that is suffering from this. Seems four of the 12 electors in Washington state voted for someone else!

Texas still to report and that should take Trump over the top and give him 305 or 306.

http://www.270towin.com/live-2016-pr...e-of-electors/
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:01
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Trump now 2 short of 270. And far from faithless electors deserting Trump it's actually Hillary that is suffering from this. Seems four of the 12 electors in Washington state voted for someone else!

Texas still to report and that should take Trump over the top and give him 305 or 306.

http://www.270towin.com/live-2016-pr...e-of-electors/
lol... its a landslide.
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Old 19-12-2016, 22:28
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lol... its a landslide.
Seems rather than voting for Hillary three of the four Democrat faithless electors in Washington state voted for former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the fourth voted for Faith spotted eagle - a Native American woman - to be President. They must be smoking something in Seattle!

Bizarre!


http://www.270towin.com/news/
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:09
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With just the 10 votes of Nevada and Hawaii outstanding Trump has 304 electoral college votes so subject to this being ratified by Congress on 6 January he is now officially the next President of the United States.

Only two faithless electors - both in Texas - did not back him compared to the 4 from Washington who didn't back Hillary. Apparently there were attempts by electors in Colorado, Minnesota and Maine not to vote for their states choice but these were ruled out of order - these were of course all states Hillary won.

So despite all the nonsense over the last few weeks it was actually Clinton who lost net votes from faithless electors - and she would have lost even more if the electors in three states who voted for her hadn't been prevented from exercising their preferred choice.


http://www.270towin.com/live-2016-pr...e-of-electors/
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:59
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How much worse can it get for Democrats. Four electoral college voters defected from Hilary, two tried to cast their vote for Bernie but immorally prevented to do so and one didn’t bother with it so was forcefully replaced.


So much for a moral victory of all faithless Democrats - fans, supporters and nominees alike.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:11
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How much worse can it get for Democrats. Four electoral college voters defected from Hilary, two tried to cast their vote for Bernie but immorally prevented to do so and one didn’t bother with it so was forcefully replaced.


So much for a moral victory of all faithless Democrats - fans, supporters and nominees alike.
Maybe they like others are sick of the sight of the likes of Podesta and Hillary seeking to blame everyone else for her failure to win - but seemingly taking no responsibility themselves. The arrogance is breathtaking.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:24
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Trump is right when he tweeted about what would have happened if this was reversed, and it was his people trying to stop Hillary from becoming the President, all Hell would be breaking loose, whereas that isn't really the case here, it is totally hypocrisy from the Democratic Party people.
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Old 20-12-2016, 01:21
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Trump is right when he tweeted about what would have happened if this was reversed, and it was his people trying to stop Hillary from becoming the President, all Hell would be breaking loose, whereas that isn't really the case here, it is totally hypocrisy from the Democratic wParty people.
This video from the Wisconsin electoral college vote just shows what these electors have had to put up with just for ratifying what the people of the state voted for. Warning - these videos contains crazy liberals shouting and bawling.

https://youtu.be/4BjgEsK4LbE

https://youtu.be/02VOJfiFTts

Similar scenes were repeated in several states.

Seems for all their efforts all the electors got a mere 10 dollars each plus travel expenses!
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Old 20-12-2016, 01:37
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There is going to be a lot of bitterly disappointed people on here when Trump is sworn in with little resistance.

And then there will be a lot of bitterly disappointed Trump worshipers when he's exposed as a fraud in office. Though looking at his cabinet picks that is already happening.

Constantly banging on about how "dumb" his supporters are or how Clinton won the popular vote is just a colossal waste of time.

On Trump's cabinet though Jimmy Dore nails it yet again.

https://youtu.be/ER3LfDxetqo

America is a one party state in all but name.
I don't see people as saying Trump's supporters are dumb. The supporters probably thought he will make them rich as he is, or at least that some of the money will trickle down.
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Old 20-12-2016, 01:39
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This video from the Wisconsin electoral college vote just shows what these electors have had to put up with just for ratifying what the people of the state voted for. Warning - these videos contains crazy liberals shouting and bawling.

https://youtu.be/4BjgEsK4LbE

https://youtu.be/02VOJfiFTts

Similar scenes were repeated in several states.

Seems for all their efforts all the electors got a mere 10 dollars each plus travel expenses!
So what? It's America. People can express their opinions, TG.
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