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Old 20-12-2016, 11:36
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It is the whingers that are claiming that the info mattered. Any distrust might have had more to do with what wasn't revealed. IE what else was going on that was still hidden?

Just because X made an attempt to access info, doesn't mean they succeeded and doesn't mean that if they were successful, that they released it.
This is exactly the type of conspiracy ideation on which the entire Trump campaign relied!
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Old 20-12-2016, 12:53
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Seems rather than voting for Hillary three of the four Democrat faithless electors in Washington state voted for former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the fourth voted for Faith spotted eagle - a Native American woman - to be President. They must be smoking something in Seattle!

Bizarre!


http://www.270towin.com/news/
More than likely protest votes against the Clinton machine. The biggest lie of the election was Clinton being a good candidate.

She struggled against a Social Democrat. That's as close as you can get to running a communist in the US.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:42
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Trump is still delusional

“We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306,” Trump said in an interview on Fox News Sunday.

A statement from his transition team on Friday in response to reports of the CIA assessment said, “The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history

http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/12/11/...or-some-facts/


Back in the world of facts
Only 12 out of 58 Presidents had a lower majority of electoral college votes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7484176.html
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...vote.html?_r=1
In the current electoral situation I would say 306 to 232 is a landslide - as were Obamas wins in 2008 and 2012. It beat both Geeoge W Bushs wins by some margins.

It was easier to win electoral college landladies in the past - now the nation is so polarised the sort of 49 to 1 state win that Reagan got in 1984 is close to impossible.
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:57
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Considering how much the media and team Clinton were convinced that she was going to walk right into the White House (so convinced that she didn't even campaign in so called "firewall" states) I would class Trump's win as an outright humiliation.

The DNC urgently needs cleaning out. It's a rotting corpse.
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:52
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5sviF91zJ4
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:57
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"You don't deserve to be in America"

Jesus ******* Christ she looked and sounded like a raving facist. The type usually associated with the far right.
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:07
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Michelle Obama's speech was as vile and empty as her husband's policies.

https://youtu.be/UTTl-CNGUxo

Takes balls to call out a national sweetheart.
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Old 20-12-2016, 20:24
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In the current electoral situation I would say 306 to 232 is a landslide - as were Obamas wins in 2008 and 2012. It beat both Geeoge W Bushs wins by some margins.

It was easier to win electoral college landladies in the past - now the nation is so polarised the sort of 49 to 1 state win that Reagan got in 1984 is close to impossible.
Were these landladies in some kind of raffle or Tombola or something?
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Old 20-12-2016, 20:34
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Has Hillary said the Russians rigged it, yet?

LOL. Loser.
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:25
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Has Hillary said the Russians rigged it, yet?

LOL. Loser.
The current list is:-

Russia
Angry white males
James Comey
Wikileaks
Anthony Weiner
"Millennials"
Huma Abedin
"Fake News"
Bernie Sanders

To be continued.....
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Old 20-12-2016, 21:59
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Considering how much the media and team Clinton were convinced that she was going to walk right into the White House (so convinced that she didn't even campaign in so called "firewall" states) I would class Trump's win as an outright humiliation.

The DNC urgently needs cleaning out. It's a rotting corpse.
It will be interesting to see who the Democrats put forward in two years time, as the talk of Joe Biden, and even Hillary again is not good news for them, as they desperately need fresh blood so to speak.
Relying on old people who have been around the political system for decades will do then no good whatsoever.
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Old 21-12-2016, 00:05
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Were these landladies in some kind of raffle or Tombola or something?
I expect some electoral college members were landladies - and they did deliver a landslide.
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Old 21-12-2016, 00:10
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The current list is:-

Russia
Angry white males
James Comey
Wikileaks
Anthony Weiner
"Millennials"
Huma Abedin
"Fake News"
Bernie Sanders

To be continued.....
Or alternatively

Podesta
BIll Clinton
Hillary Clinton falling sick on 9-11 and collapsing
Hosting thousands of state department emails on an unsecure server which Russia and China probably have now
Podesta
Robby Mook - very nice but no Kellyanne Conway
Didn't visit Wisconsin at all and did no tv adverts there and lost by 20000 votes - but did loads of ads in California which she won by several million and
Podesta.
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Old 21-12-2016, 00:57
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In the current electoral situation I would say 306 to 232 is a landslide - as were Obamas wins in 2008 and 2012. It beat both Geeoge W Bushs wins by some margins.

It was easier to win electoral college landladies in the past - now the nation is so polarised the sort of 49 to 1 state win that Reagan got in 1984 is close to impossible.
Its not a historical , or landslide victory - its among the 20% or so weakest wins.
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Old 21-12-2016, 01:10
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Old 21-12-2016, 01:11
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Its not a historical , or landslide victory - its among the 20% or so weakest wins.
A weak win with 3 million fewer votes than his opponent.

I guess you could say it's record breaking though- must be by a long, long way the most a candidate's lost the popular vote by, but still won.
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Old 21-12-2016, 01:12
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A weak win with 3 million fewer votes than his opponent.
Not that it matters a jot mind.
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Old 21-12-2016, 01:24
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In the current electoral situation I would say 306 to 232 is a landslide - as were Obamas wins in 2008 and 2012. It beat both Geeoge W Bushs wins by some margins.

It was easier to win electoral college landladies in the past - now the nation is so polarised the sort of 49 to 1 state win that Reagan got in 1984 is close to impossible.
I just don't understand why some people seem so determined to say it was a landslide when it quite clearly was nothing of the sort. I can see why Trump and his team want to say it was a landslide, but why would anyone who wasn't a Republican partisan keep saying something that is evidently not true? It's just daft.

Trump won under the rules (god help us all) and it was - on paper - a clear win with a comfortable margin in terms of electoral college votes. But it was in no way, shape or form a landslide. There's no exact science to this but traditionally a landslide was a popular vote victory somewhere in the region of 55-45 (which clearly Trump didn't get) or an electoral college total for the winning candidate in the very high 300s or 400-plus. Well, Trump didn't get that either. So it wasn't a landslide.

You're absolutely right, the days of 49-or-50-state blowouts are long gone. With the US as divided and as polarised as it is, it's very hard to envisage many true landslides from here on in (although if Trump turns out to be as catastrophic a president as I fear he's going to be, maybe we will see a genuine landslide in 2020 as a reaction), but that doesn't mean we should just change the criteria and start calling narrower election victories landslides when they're not.
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Old 21-12-2016, 04:09
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It wasn't much of a choice to start with, Trump or Clinton?

But now that Trump will be installed, I want to see how many wars he doesn't start, and if he builds a bridge between America & Russia.

All this anti-Russian/Putin rhetoric from politicians and the Western media is a disgrace. We would never hear Putin's voice on western media or hear his side of events, for that we have to go to Youtube.

Give the people an enemy?
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Old 21-12-2016, 04:57
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Well this looks interesting -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...versial-probe/

The FBI didn't have any evidence of wrongdoing when it asked for a warrant to look at the infamous laptop, they only knew emails were on it.

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement...ase_of_warrant


Responding to the release of the warrant the FBI filed in October to access emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop, Hillary Clinton's attorney Tuesday afternoon slammed FBI Director James Comey's letter to members of Congress eleven days before the election, that forever changed the direction of the presidential race.

"Today's release of the FBI affidavit highlights the extraordinary impropriety of Director Comey's October 28 letter, publicized two days before the affidavit, which produced devastating but predictable damage politically and which was both legally unauthorized and factually unnecessary,” David Kendall of Williams & Connolly said in a statement.

“The affidavit concedes that the FBI had no basis to conclude whether these emails were even pertinent to that closed investigation, were significant, or whether they had, in fact, already been reviewed prior to the closing of the investigation,” he continued.
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Old 21-12-2016, 08:49
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Its not a historical , or landslide victory - its among the 20% or so weakest wins.
He still won though.
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:02
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But now that Trump will be installed, I want to see how many wars he doesn't start, and if he builds a bridge between America & Russia.
Giving Russia a free hand to seize control (either directly or through proxies) of the Balkan States is not the act of a sensible foreign policy - especially if you do so to protect hotel assets or oil and gas business.

All this anti-Russian/Putin rhetoric from politicians and the Western media is a disgrace. We would never hear Putin's voice on western media or hear his side of events, for that we have to go to Youtube.
It was not America which said that Putin wanted to seize the Balkan States and Finland - it was one of Putin's inner circle.
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:04
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Its as if Mrs Clinton didnt understand the rules.

Why on earth would see spend so much time and money on her safe seats that she was going to win by millions?
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:19
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A weak win with 3 million fewer votes than his opponent.

I guess you could say it's record breaking though- must be by a long, long way the most a candidate's lost the popular vote by, but still won.
What point are you trying to make by mentioning the three million fewer votes, as it doesn't matter, the only thing, the only numbers that matter here are the electoral college votes, that is it.

Why even mention any other numbers, apart from the electoral college numbers, I just don't get it??
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:30
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Why even mention any other numbers, apart from the electoral college numbers, I just don't get it??
One thing Trump cannot claim is that he has the support of a majority of those who voted - has not stopped him however but the only way he could do that was to claim that all those extra votes were illegal - despite a complete lack of evidence.
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