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Old 18-12-2016, 17:20
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Nice to see Channel 4 showing Disney/Pixar's 'Cars' in the full 2.35:1 ratio. Something that the BBC have never done. To this day, even Sky Cinema Disney don't show it in its OAR when they show it!
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Old 18-12-2016, 22:38
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Nice to see Channel 4 showing Disney/Pixar's 'Cars' in the full 2.35:1 ratio. Something that the BBC have never done. To this day, even Sky Cinema Disney don't show it in its OAR when they show it!
Channel 4 usually do retain OAR when showing films.
BBC are doing that more now but not enough IMHO.
Are Sky using the open matte version of Cars? I wouldn't be surprised, they seem to be doing that alot more now.
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Old 19-12-2016, 05:59
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ITV1 showed The Fellowship Of The Ring in its OAR on Saturday, pity they didn't do the same with The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey that followed though.
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Old 19-12-2016, 17:53
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To be honest I don't really understand OAR, I thought it wasn't an issue anymore now everyone has widescreen TVs? I thought pan and scan was a thing of the past?
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Old 19-12-2016, 17:57
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To be honest I don't really understand OAR, I thought it wasn't an issue anymore now everyone has widescreen TVs? I thought pan and scan was a thing of the past?
TVs use an aspect ratio of 16:9 whereas directors of films can use various aspects to suite their own vision for the film. Seems that most films are 21:9 which means that on a normal TV there will still be a black bar top & bottom.
If they use pan/scan on these films to fit a 16:9 TV, the viewer loses about 24% of what the director intended them to see.
On the old 4:3 pan/scan lost about 43% of the intended image
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Old 20-12-2016, 05:48
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There are actually 21:9 "Ultrawide" TV's available but they've never really taken off and remain a niche product.
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Old 20-12-2016, 06:33
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I wish they would zoom in a bit / crop a bit off say 30% zoom as as long as the actors are within frame I feel like i wouldn't miss much

Much like watching a film on Netflix on a iPad, double tap and you've made everything a bit easier to see and less small

It's a shame 21:9 ultra wide hasn't taken off, I have this 34" lg monitor as my computer monitor - http://amzn.to/2hU8wPm
and have watched a couple mins of 21:9 films and wish I could get a Tv like it
Looks fantastic when there are no borders and everything is big versus being shrunken down on a normal Tv.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:22
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you could just use the zoom button on the remote my samsung UE48H6200 has quite a few zoom modes
also like you said they are 21:9 ultra monitors that some Gaming or video editing people use I think there is a 39 inch one but is very pricey.
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Old 21-12-2016, 00:20
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I wish they would zoom in a bit / crop a bit off say 30% zoom as as long as the actors are within frame I feel like i wouldn't miss much
Or zoom it yourself and leave the films alone for those that appreciate OAR......!
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Old 21-12-2016, 05:59
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This Philips 21:9 model looks swish.

http://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/58PFL99...full-hd-3d-max
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Old 21-12-2016, 06:46
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"While watching your favourite TV programme, the Unique Smart formatting technology can automatically adapt any content to the 21:9 screen".

Not sure who would want to stretch old 4:3 shows into super widescreen. They would be unwatchable.
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:03
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you could just use the zoom button on the remote my samsung UE48H6200 has quite a few zoom modes
also like you said they are 21:9 ultra monitors that some Gaming or video editing people use I think there is a 39 inch one but is very pricey.
I watch using the built in app and the tools section on the remote is disabled.

All the yes zoom functions on my Tv seem to be useless - causing squished heads etc....

Only solution is to find a blu ray player that has a zoom function or find it some other way and manually add a crop with handbrake on the mac
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:04
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Or zoom it yourself and leave the films alone for those that appreciate OAR......!
Zoom is useless - it's also disabled whilst using the inbuilt Netflix app
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Old 21-12-2016, 20:11
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ITV1 showed The Fellowship Of The Ring in its OAR on Saturday, pity they didn't do the same with The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey that followed though.
I asked ITV, re: The Hobbit (they got LOTR later), and they confirmed it was done on purpose. There's a big long thread which used to get updated regularly with such screenings for OAR films. Somewhere in there, I detailed the conversation between ITV and myself.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1290107
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:41
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Movies for men and moviemax show in OAR - 4:3!!
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:42
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Zoom is useless - it's also disabled whilst using the inbuilt Netflix app
So, everyone should lose because you want a crap zoomed version for some odd reason!?
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:10
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So, everyone should lose because you want a crap zoomed version for some odd reason!?
What crap about making the picture bigger to fill more your 16x9 screen?

Guess you never watched filmed at 4x3 on vhs

It's not 'loosing' if there's a built in zoom option that one can select. It's not like the talent are at the farthest left / right of screen to really notice a slight 10-30% zoom
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:24
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What crap about making the picture bigger to fill more your 16x9 screen?

Guess you never watched filmed at 4x3 on vhs

It's not 'loosing' if there's a built in zoom option that one can select. It's not like the talent are at the farthest left / right of screen to really notice a slight 10-30% zoom
While I don't agree in zooming the picture at all I can see the logic of a 10% zoom to increase the screen, indeed it turns out my computer monitor is 16:10 so I have a slight border around the screen when watching some DVD's. Netflix, Amazon, iPlayer all seem to sort themselves out presumably the graphics card is doing the zooming for me.

But I'd hate anything like a 30% zoom as that's close enough to a third of the available picture thrown away.

Some movies and tv shows do have important characters on the extremes of the frame and when cropped to 16:9 it's certainly noticeable.
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Old 22-12-2016, 00:20
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I tried it with the revenant - shaved a bit off - probably around 10-15% or 1/3 less black borders. I liked it. Shame I can't just do it using my TVs useless zoom or Netflix

Removing all the borders is too much, just a smidge is fine with me

I notice Tiny bars on some content - I assume it was shot in true 4K dimensions which is longer than uhd
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Old 22-12-2016, 11:05
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I wish they would zoom in a bit / crop a bit off say 30% zoom as as long as the actors are within frame I feel like i wouldn't miss much

Much like watching a film on Netflix on a iPad, double tap and you've made everything a bit easier to see and less small

It's a shame 21:9 ultra wide hasn't taken off, I have this 34" lg monitor as my computer monitor - http://amzn.to/2hU8wPm
and have watched a couple mins of 21:9 films and wish I could get a Tv like it
Looks fantastic when there are no borders and everything is big versus being shrunken down on a normal Tv.
The problem with 21:9 TVs is that you'd lose more often watching 16:9 stuff that you'd gain watching 21:9. They look cool but you'd almost always be better off getting a bigger 16:9 set that is as wide as a given 21:9 display but taller. It would probably be cheaper too.

Also as far as I know most 21:9 media is letterboxed from a resolution point of view too, so (for example) 21:9 HD would typically be 1920x822 effective resolution rather than 2520x1080, so you wouldn't gain there either.

It makes sense for a monitor because of games and productivity but not really for a TV in my opinion.

I think the ideal would be a 16:9 with a greater than standard resolution such that it could display native 21:9 content at a higher vertical resolution.
A 5k display (5120 × 2880) would be ideal for this, but obviously the media would have to be native 21:9 resolution rather than letterboxed 4k.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:00
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What crap about making the picture bigger to fill more your 16x9 screen?

Guess you never watched filmed at 4x3 on vhs

It's not 'loosing' if there's a built in zoom option that one can select. It's not like the talent are at the farthest left / right of screen to really notice a slight 10-30% zoom
Yes, i did many times. What is this, preschool now!!?
Films should be left as they are. The need to fill an entire screen with a picture is silly and basically demanding that picture be cut off to achieve that is selfish and says a massive f-you to everyone else that wants the full experience of a film as it was intended, not hacked to pieces to suit the silly minority that see a screen and insist it be filled with image!
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:19
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I notice Tiny bars on some content - I assume it was shot in true 4K dimensions which is longer than uhd
You really haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about.
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:43
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Yes, i did many times. What is this, preschool now!!?
Films should be left as they are. The need to fill an entire screen with a picture is silly and basically demanding that picture be cut off to achieve that is selfish and says a massive f-you to everyone else that wants the full experience of a film as it was intended, not hacked to pieces to suit the silly minority that see a screen and insist it be filled with image!
What are you on about?

4x3 vhs as in they take a 21:9 film and pan and scan it to vhs meaning you've watched overly zoomed in films.

How is having the ability to zoom in a bit a problem? What you do is don't press the 'zoom' Button.

I watched a blu ray last night and gave all the zoom functions a go, all they do is distort the aspect ratio.

'I don't like it therefore everyone else is silly and selfish' you really have no idea what I'm on about
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:43
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You really haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about.
Do tell.

4K - wider than 16x9

UHD - fits 16x9 dimensions

I'm sure it was shot at 2323:55353 versus standard wide gamut of 1:6969.1 not my stupid attempt at comprehending a tiny letterbox.

I'd imagine it was shot at a different aspect ratio to standard ultra wide.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:49
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Am pretty sure there is no difference between UHD and 4K when it comes to the picture size.

Something filmed in 1.85:1 or 2.35:1 will still be in those dimensions in 4K. The picture will just be sharper.

Happy to be corrected if wrong though.
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