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Old 20-12-2016, 23:26
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Getting back to the actual programme itself, how many more years do you reckon SPOTY has got left? Or does it still get the viewing figures? Because personally i can't watch more than 15minutes, even though i try each year, as its beyond bad compared to what it used to be.

As a huge sports fan it used to be my favourite programme by a mile of all the year end reviews. As aptly named back then, it was a superb Sports Review of the Year. I know the BBC have got access to far less footage nowadays but i timed yesterdays sporting review segment for July-September at 90 seconds yesterday. It's now just a cross between a popularity contest, with the stars given their little slot to beg for votes, combined with one big suck up fest to specific bbc favourite sports stars, where the star is almost obliged to cry as they give yet another telling of the well worn story of them winning. Why does this exist? Presumably because there's an audience for this type of thing. Oh well.
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:45
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Was there really any need for Robbie and that godawful song?
Everyone looked bored and like they just wanted the show to end so they could get to the bar
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:11
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bigger farce is an American gymnast wins some medals at one Olympics and they give her an award...does anyone here know what she sounds like or how she is a "personality"?
no.....
She was interviewed at the Olympics and sounded fine, I think the American gymnasts were also shown relaxing on the beach once their competitions were over. Certainly able to smile and not just answer with grunts like Murray. But she deserved it because she is just so far ahead of other gymnasts at the moment.
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:15
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The fact somebody like Carl Fogarty never really got a mention at these things probably says all you know about how much Motor bikes is in the sporting mind of people in this country.

Rightly or wrongly of course.

We could be here all day discussing the merits of every potential award winner.
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Old 21-12-2016, 10:44
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The IRONY about SPOTY is the show has got much bigger and bloated at the same time the BBC sport portfolio has shrunk to virtually nothing. It USED to be a review of the sporting year, now we get the 12 months condensed into 4 5 minute segments within the show whilst the ever so clever production team do the silly profiles of the contenders which I am sure ADD NOTHING or more importantly NO VOTES for them.

I thought I was watching a party political broadcast for the diversity party this year as I thought I was being lectured (TYPICAL BBC) at one point about one guys problems.

As for the Lifetime achievement if are using United Kingdom sport as an example then surely something could have been found for a man who retired from his sport this year. A man who won the Open 5 times and nearly made it 6 just 7 weeks short of his 60th birthday. A man generally acknowledged to be the GREATEST links golfer EVER

That man is Tom Watson
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Old 21-12-2016, 10:48
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Doing something dangerous doesn't prove your sporting prowess, and the Sports Personality of the Year award is for achievements this year. However, Biles won her first world championships in 2013.

And I'd like to see anyone try these moves with a recently dislocated shoulder.

https://youtu.be/9HO0zsigh30

It's simply impossible to compete at the top level of gymnastics, or tennis, or any of the other very physically demanding sports if you dislocated your shoulder the previous day. That doesn't make those athletes less tough, they simply compete in the kind of elite sport that doesn't tolerate any dip in strength.
I gave one example of the dedication and grit shown by Marc and you've centred on that ..as I said I don't really care about other sports you list and have no interest in watching them....

I point out the danger side of my sport as part of it and point out that in Italy Rossi is second only to the Pope in popularity and I could list the many stunts he's entertained with that make him a true personality..... he even entered Monte Carlo car rally the other week for fun and won it as did Marc in the Super Prestigio....

I didn't say tennis and gym weren't physically demanding but often people think motorcycling isn't when it is and that's what I stated.....
..I've been out on track with 2 world superbike riders and the speed and skill is breath taking....and the fatigue from concentration and riding 150mph speeds is incredible..... a "dip in strength" isn't needed as you put it is incorrect I'm afraid , it will make a huge difference.... they still get on with it when mortals would be out for weeks..

. note Jorge Lorenzo broken collar bone at Assen flies to hospital, plated and racing Sunday...if you see him post race he's racked with pain and wasted....
F1 drivers respect and are in awe of the things they do....it's a shame the rest of the UK media centre on ball games rather than other things we do well at like motorsport...

I expect nothing less from the BBC though
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Old 21-12-2016, 10:51
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She was interviewed at the Olympics and sounded fine, I think the American gymnasts were also shown relaxing on the beach once their competitions were over. Certainly able to smile and not just answer with grunts like Murray. But she deserved it because she is just so far ahead of other gymnasts at the moment.
Interviewed once at the Olympics is what I mean.... the public who didn't vote for her don't really know who she is or what she sounds like or says.....

Fine in a few years if she keeps winning... my point was its bizarre a total global personality like Valentino with multiple championship titles never got it.....
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Old 21-12-2016, 10:57
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The fact somebody like Carl Fogarty never really got a mention at these things probably says all you know about how much Motor bikes is in the sporting mind of people in this country.

Rightly or wrongly of course.

We could be here all day discussing the merits of every potential award winner.
Isn't that the point of the threads to discuss such things?

He seemed very popular with the British public on the bloody celeb programme... if the media was less blinkered he could have been even more popular... I agree though 4 world titles and nothing... but I was at the biggest ever outdoor sports event at brands hatch alongside 120,000 others and it is popular but maybe bike fans don't shout as loudly about it....
Last years was dire and on BBC itself they said Jorge won title on news but didn't even mention Danny Kent winning first title since a true personality ... Barry Sheene....
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Old 21-12-2016, 11:03
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Getting back to the actual programme itself, how many more years do you reckon SPOTY has got left? Or does it still get the viewing figures? Because personally i can't watch more than 15minutes, even though i try each year, as its beyond bad compared to what it used to be.

As a huge sports fan it used to be my favourite programme by a mile of all the year end reviews. As aptly named back then, it was a superb Sports Review of the Year. I know the BBC have got access to far less footage nowadays but i timed yesterdays sporting review segment for July-September at 90 seconds yesterday. It's now just a cross between a popularity contest, with the stars given their little slot to beg for votes, combined with one big suck up fest to specific bbc favourite sports stars, where the star is almost obliged to cry as they give yet another telling of the well worn story of them winning. Why does this exist? Presumably because there's an audience for this type of thing. Oh well.
It's dire and a total waste of license fee money....

that aspect itself might just do for its demise more than even viewing figures on the next government agreement deal with them as they've been reduced to tiddlywinks and cheese rolling from Somerset over time anyway....

Oh and punknotdead there's never ever ever any reason for Robbie Williams to perform any song at any time..ever again..... more embarrassing than that idiot cordens football manager skit the other year which was bad enough.....
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Old 21-12-2016, 11:21
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It's dire and a total waste of license fee money....

that aspect itself might just do for its demise more than even viewing figures on the next government agreement deal with them as they've been reduced to tiddlywinks and cheese rolling from Somerset over time anyway....

Oh and punknotdead there's never ever ever any reason for Robbie Williams to perform any song at any time..ever again..... more embarrassing than that idiot cordens football manager skit the other year which was bad enough.....
The BBC has loads of money- check its website for directors pay for starters. but like local councils The Corporation wont sack the pen pushers when for example it can give up Open Golf coverage a year early pleading poverty-hurts the viewers and tries to get them on side......... £204 million quid for MOTD with NO other bidders. £1BILLION to move to Salford.......
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Old 21-12-2016, 12:44
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The BBC has loads of money- check its website for directors pay for starters. but like local councils The Corporation wont sack the pen pushers when for example it can give up Open Golf coverage a year early pleading poverty-hurts the viewers and tries to get them on side......... £204 million quid for MOTD with NO other bidders. £1BILLION to move to Salford.......
Do you mean the directors who get a fraction of what their equivalents at other companies get,?

I am sure there are lots of ways £204 million could have been spent better.
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Old 21-12-2016, 20:20
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Do you mean the directors who get a fraction of what their equivalents at other companies get,?

I am sure there are lots of ways £204 million could have been spent better.
my point exactly re the £204 million and for every chief at the BBC no doubt there will be (and I will be generous here) 4 deputies on 2/3rds the salary. And by Directors I was meaning more heads of department-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/ins...e/biographies/
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:28
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my point exactly re the £204 million and for every chief at the BBC no doubt there will be (and I will be generous here) 4 deputies on 2/3rds the salary. And by Directors I was meaning more heads of department-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/ins...e/biographies/
You have obviously studied the managerial structure of the BBC in great deal. The BBC has probably had more "experts" advising on its structure and revamps than any other organisation. The top man is on a couple of hundred thousand whereas the head of ITV is on millions and similarly for Channel 4. I hate to think how many millions Sky pay their top people.
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Old 22-12-2016, 13:03
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You have obviously studied the managerial structure of the BBC in great deal. The BBC has probably had more "experts" advising on its structure and revamps than any other organisation. The top man is on a couple of hundred thousand whereas the head of ITV is on millions and similarly for Channel 4. I hate to think how many millions Sky pay their top people.
Sorry but I have NO CHOICE but to pay for the BBC via the licence. I choose not to subscribe to SKY and if myself and everyone else suddenly boycotted ITV that network may broadcast shows I may just be interested in....................

I can list LOADS of on screen or on air waste by the BBC

you are obviously a BBC fan- as I was once therefore no real point debating with you
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Old 22-12-2016, 13:09
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Sorry but I have NO CHOICE but to pay for the BBC via the licence. I choose not to subscribe to SKY and if myself and everyone else suddenly boycotted ITV that network may broadcast shows I may just be interested in....................

I can list LOADS of on screen or on air waste by the BBC

you are obviously a BBC fan- as I was once therefore no real point debating with you
Dear God, do people have to hijack EVERY SINGLE thread about the BBC to moan about the licence fee? It's almost entirely irrelevant to the subject at hand.

Please, just stop this.
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Old 22-12-2016, 13:25
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Dear God, do people have to hijack EVERY SINGLE thread about the BBC to moan about the licence fee? It's almost entirely irrelevant to the subject at hand.

Please, just stop this.
Check my posts mate. I didn't start the discussion about the BBCs cash or lack of it- I was responding to someone else-
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Old 22-12-2016, 14:47
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Check my posts mate. I didn't start the discussion about the BBCs cash or lack of it- I was responding to someone else-
Who started it is irrelevant. It's another thread that has ended up being about the licence fee / BBC 'waste' when it should be nothing to do with it. If people didn't join in every single time, it wouldn't blow up every time.

There are/have been many threads specifically discussing the licence fee. I think to the point where the admins now lock/delete them because there's nothing new left to say. It's a futile argument which at this point benefits no one and just leads to two entrenched parties shouting at each other. Nobody cares what anybody else thinks any more, everyone knows what THEY think and that's all that matters.

The argument will not change or evolve at all. It's tedious beyond reason. Stop it.
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:29
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Who started it is irrelevant. It's another thread that has ended up being about the licence fee / BBC 'waste' when it should be nothing to do with it. If people didn't join in every single time, it wouldn't blow up every time.

There are/have been many threads specifically discussing the licence fee. I think to the point where the admins now lock/delete them because there's nothing new left to say. It's a futile argument which at this point benefits no one and just leads to two entrenched parties shouting at each other. Nobody cares what anybody else thinks any more, everyone knows what THEY think and that's all that matters.

The argument will not change or evolve at all. It's tedious beyond reason. Stop it.
I think there is PLENTY to say thank you very much with regards just how much that shite show on Sunday night cost the licence fee payers. wouldn't care but the BBC HARDLY SHOWS ANY SPORT ANYMORE. Maybe there needs to be a cookery review of the year. The BBC loves cookery shows

But how about if you are sick of the arguments try bowing out of them yourself-take some of the advice you seem keen on handing out

cheers
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:21
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The fact somebody like Carl Fogarty never really got a mention at these things probably says all you know about how much Motor bikes is in the sporting mind of people in this country.
At least Fogarty got nominated for winning back to back World Superbike Titles unlike Jonathan Rea.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:41
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At least Fogarty got nominated for winning back to back World Superbike Titles unlike Jonathan Rea.
What about James Toesland as well?

Remember it was all about Phil Taylor from Darts being "hard done by"

Somebody does always miss out.
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