Originally Posted by walterwhite:
“While your initial point was fairly ridiculous”
“While your initial point was fairly ridiculous”
It was the same point.
Pavement completely blocked by parked cars
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This highways authority took a sensible view here.
Originally Posted by walterwhite:
“Round by me they have built an estate of mostly 4 or 5 bed houses but only given 2 parking spaces per house.”
“Round by me they have built an estate of mostly 4 or 5 bed houses but only given 2 parking spaces per house.”
Yeah, from memory wasn't this widespread policy for a while? Supposedly an environmental thing, let's try to persuade people to not own as many cars. A truly moronic idea which assumed that people just had cars for fun, and wouldn't bother if parking was a teeny bit more difficult... Instead they park more on the pavement, as per this thread, and also pave over their gardens and park there, creating new environmental problems in itself (water runoff).
Originally Posted by walterwhite:
“While your initial point was fairly ridiculous, this point is a pretty good one. Round by me they have built an estate of mostly 4 or 5 bed houses but only given 2 parking spaces per house.”
“While your initial point was fairly ridiculous, this point is a pretty good one. Round by me they have built an estate of mostly 4 or 5 bed houses but only given 2 parking spaces per house.”
I've seen 3 and 4 bedroomed houses with only 1 parking space allocated on some new build estates,which is quite ridiculous when it is not uncommon now to have 3 or 4 people in one house that each have a car.
Originally Posted by Gordon g:
“I've seen 3 and 4 bedroomed houses with only 1 parking space allocated on some new build estates,which is quite ridiculous when it is not uncommon now to have 3 or 4 people in one house that each have a car.”
“I've seen 3 and 4 bedroomed houses with only 1 parking space allocated on some new build estates,which is quite ridiculous when it is not uncommon now to have 3 or 4 people in one house that each have a car.”
Well when you say 'ridiculous', what you mean is 'annoying'. They're not building these houses for fun, they're building them to make money and in doing so, maximise profit. So if you see the house only has two spaces, you can choose not to rent or buy that house if it doesn't suit your needs.
Ridiculous? Certainly not.
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“It was the same point.”
“It was the same point.
”
No it wasn't at all.
Your initial post suggested that people should walk down different streets to avoid badly parked cars.
Originally Posted by Harvey_Specter:
“Well when you say 'ridiculous', what you mean is 'annoying'. They're not building these houses for fun, they're building them to make money and in doing so, maximise profit. So if you see the house only has two spaces, you can choose not to rent or buy that house if it doesn't suit your needs.
Ridiculous? Certainly not.”
“Well when you say 'ridiculous', what you mean is 'annoying'. They're not building these houses for fun, they're building them to make money and in doing so, maximise profit. So if you see the house only has two spaces, you can choose not to rent or buy that house if it doesn't suit your needs.
Ridiculous? Certainly not.”
I'd agree that it's ridiculous. Planning shouldn't be approved if there are inadequate parking spaces.
Originally Posted by walterwhite:
“I'd agree that it's ridiculous. Planning shouldn't be approved if there are inadequate parking spaces.”
“I'd agree that it's ridiculous. Planning shouldn't be approved if there are inadequate parking spaces.”
How do you know if there are inadequate parking spaces before there are occupants? Are you suggesting a parking space for how ever many bed rooms there are in each property?
Now that would seem ridiculous to me, personally.
Originally Posted by Harvey_Specter:
“Well when you say 'ridiculous', what you mean is 'annoying'. They're not building these houses for fun, they're building them to make money and in doing so, maximise profit. So if you see the house only has two spaces, you can choose not to rent or buy that house if it doesn't suit your needs.
Ridiculous? Certainly not.”
“Well when you say 'ridiculous', what you mean is 'annoying'. They're not building these houses for fun, they're building them to make money and in doing so, maximise profit. So if you see the house only has two spaces, you can choose not to rent or buy that house if it doesn't suit your needs.
Ridiculous? Certainly not.”
No, he means ridiculous and I agree with that. Planning laws are there to balance profit with convenience for the general public and it should have been dealt with it at the planning stage (on new builds over the last few decades). Another example familiar to me are long closes (15 - 30 houses) where the pavement only exists for a few yards before disappearing altogether, leaving pedestrians to walk completely in the road and the consequent dangers.
Cars cannot then park on the pavement as there isn't one, resulting in all these fairly expensive houses having paved or bricked over most of their front gardens, which keeps them off the road, granted... but as someone pointed out back down the thread, increases flood risk. It also causes real problems for visitors as most houses permanently have at least two cars, filling their already extended driveways. Ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Harvey_Specter:
“How do you know if there are inadequate parking spaces before there are occupants? Are you suggesting a parking space for how ever many bed rooms there are in each property?
Now that would seem ridiculous to me, personally.”
“How do you know if there are inadequate parking spaces before there are occupants? Are you suggesting a parking space for how ever many bed rooms there are in each property?
Now that would seem ridiculous to me, personally.”
Fair point, but it seems on these estates the vast majority of houses seem to have more than 2 cars.
Found it. There was an official policy limiting the number of parking spaces in new builds from 2001-2011 when it was dropped, partly to reduce the kind of "parking congestion" we're talking about here, I guess.
Quote:
“Ministers are today removing national planning restrictions put in place in 2001 that required councils to limit the number of parking spaces allowed in new residential developments and set high parking charges to encourage the use of alternative modes of transport.
The Government believes these rules unfairly penalised drivers, led to over-zealous parking enforcement, and increased unsightly on-street parking congestion – putting the safety of drivers, cyclists and pedestrians at risk.
http://www.conservativehome.com/loca...-scrapped.html”
“Ministers are today removing national planning restrictions put in place in 2001 that required councils to limit the number of parking spaces allowed in new residential developments and set high parking charges to encourage the use of alternative modes of transport.
The Government believes these rules unfairly penalised drivers, led to over-zealous parking enforcement, and increased unsightly on-street parking congestion – putting the safety of drivers, cyclists and pedestrians at risk.
http://www.conservativehome.com/loca...-scrapped.html”
Originally Posted by Harvey_Specter:
“How do you know if there are inadequate parking spaces before there are occupants? Are you suggesting a parking space for how ever many bed rooms there are in each property?
Now that would seem ridiculous to me, personally.”
“How do you know if there are inadequate parking spaces before there are occupants? Are you suggesting a parking space for how ever many bed rooms there are in each property?
Now that would seem ridiculous to me, personally.”
That's what our local authority mandate for any new builds and extensions around here - there has to be a prescribed number of off-road parking spaces for the number of bedrooms.
1 and 2 bedroom places need 1 and 2 places respectively, 3 bedrooms needs 2 spaces, 4 bedrooms need 3 spaces, 5 needs 4 and so on.
They have backed this up by putting a lot of double yellows down, and where there are residents parking permits limit it strictly to one per household.
Originally Posted by MikeJW:
“Found it. There was an official policy limiting the number of parking spaces in new builds from 2001-2011 when it was dropped, partly to reduce the kind of "parking congestion" we're talking about here, I guess.”
“Found it. There was an official policy limiting the number of parking spaces in new builds from 2001-2011 when it was dropped, partly to reduce the kind of "parking congestion" we're talking about here, I guess.”
One of the more ridiculous laws bought in in planning. As has been said, people don't worry if there's not enough parking spaces, they just park on the road.
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“No, he means ridiculous and I agree with that. Planning laws are there to balance profit with convenience for the general public and it should have been dealt with it at the planning stage (on new builds over the last few decades). Another example familiar to me are long closes (15 - 30 houses) where the pavement only exists for a few yards before disappearing altogether, leaving pedestrians to walk completely in the road and the consequent dangers.
Cars cannot then park on the pavement as there isn't one, resulting in all these fairly expensive houses having paved or bricked over most of their front gardens, which keeps them off the road, granted... but as someone pointed out back down the thread, increases flood risk. Ridiculous.”
“No, he means ridiculous and I agree with that. Planning laws are there to balance profit with convenience for the general public and it should have been dealt with it at the planning stage (on new builds over the last few decades). Another example familiar to me are long closes (15 - 30 houses) where the pavement only exists for a few yards before disappearing altogether, leaving pedestrians to walk completely in the road and the consequent dangers.
Cars cannot then park on the pavement as there isn't one, resulting in all these fairly expensive houses having paved or bricked over most of their front gardens, which keeps them off the road, granted... but as someone pointed out back down the thread, increases flood risk. Ridiculous.”
That's fair enough, we'll agree to disagree on that.
Personally I see housing and the amount/cost of housing is going to take priority of what will be seen in many circumstances as a luxury item. (Yes taking into account those that need their car for work).
Originally Posted by DMN1968:
“That's what our local authority mandate for any new builds and extensions around here - there has to be a prescribed number of off-road parking spaces for the number of bedrooms.
1 and 2 bedroom places need 1 and 2 places respectively, 3 bedrooms needs 2 spaces, 4 bedrooms need 3 spaces, 5 needs 4 and so on.
They have backed this up by putting a lot of double yellows down, and where there are residents parking permits limit it strictly to one per household.”
“That's what our local authority mandate for any new builds and extensions around here - there has to be a prescribed number of off-road parking spaces for the number of bedrooms.
1 and 2 bedroom places need 1 and 2 places respectively, 3 bedrooms needs 2 spaces, 4 bedrooms need 3 spaces, 5 needs 4 and so on.
They have backed this up by putting a lot of double yellows down, and where there are residents parking permits limit it strictly to one per household.”
Yes but my response was to allocated parking. An allocated space for each bedroom is not logical.
How often would a family, with 3 kids who can drive still living at home, buy a house? Not very. Even 2 kids who can drive. At least one bedroom has to be assumed that it's for children who are still in school, maybe even 2.
On top of that as well, there's a lot of couples who share a car nowadays with prices going up.
On top of that as well, there's a lot of couples who share a car nowadays with prices going up.
Originally Posted by walterwhite:
“One of the more ridiculous laws bought in in planning. As has been said, people don't worry if there's not enough parking spaces, they just park on the road.”
“One of the more ridiculous laws bought in in planning. As has been said, people don't worry if there's not enough parking spaces, they just park on the road.”
And in the UK we have millions of terraced houses that were built along time before most people even had a car, and on street parking is the only way to be able to park
Originally Posted by MikeJW:
“Found it. There was an official policy limiting the number of parking spaces in new builds from 2001-2011 when it was dropped, partly to reduce the kind of "parking congestion" we're talking about here, I guess.”
“Found it. There was an official policy limiting the number of parking spaces in new builds from 2001-2011 when it was dropped, partly to reduce the kind of "parking congestion" we're talking about here, I guess.”
More reasons why I hate the spiteful Labour party. They went out of their way to punish drivers and had the mentality of "everywhere has excellent public transport" (as long as you live in London or a few cities) They also had the blinkers on view of "I don't own a car and nor does anybody I know"
There are estates around here with little or no parking available, double yellow lines or no lines but tight twisty roads and extra wide pavements. It simply moves the parking problem elsewhere.
Originally Posted by Ben_Copland:
“How often would a family, with 3 kids who can drive still living at home, buy a house? Not very. Even 2 kids who can drive. At least one bedroom has to be assumed that it's for children who are still in school, maybe even 2.
On top of that as well, there's a lot of couples who share a car nowadays with prices going up.”
“How often would a family, with 3 kids who can drive still living at home, buy a house? Not very. Even 2 kids who can drive. At least one bedroom has to be assumed that it's for children who are still in school, maybe even 2.
On top of that as well, there's a lot of couples who share a car nowadays with prices going up.”
Remember kids grow up - my parents three bedroom house ended up with three cars (four at christmas) for one "proper" parking space* - my mum had her car from about 5 years after we moved in, used for commuting and work and at the time she purchased it there were only two other homes with a car.
My brother then started at Uni about 30 miles away and started driving to and from Uni, and my sister then started working part time at uni in a job which required driving... over the course of ten years the cul-de-sac of 11 houses I grew up in went from two cars, to one car per house, to about 30 cars as the kids all grew up and started uni/jobs which were inaccessible by public transport. Now another ten years later it's starting to reverse that trend as the kids can finally afford to leave home, but there are still around 25 cars/vans for the 11 houses.
* There we 12 spaces assigned for the 11 houses, two of which were garages away from the house.
Originally Posted by Ben_Copland:
“How often would a family, with 3 kids who can drive still living at home, buy a house? Not very. Even 2 kids who can drive. At least one bedroom has to be assumed that it's for children who are still in school, maybe even 2.
On top of that as well, there's a lot of couples who share a car nowadays with prices going up.”
“How often would a family, with 3 kids who can drive still living at home, buy a house? Not very. Even 2 kids who can drive. At least one bedroom has to be assumed that it's for children who are still in school, maybe even 2.
On top of that as well, there's a lot of couples who share a car nowadays with prices going up.”
I think you are in for a shock. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...xxalhPwHLEQwSg. The four-car families: Working women and their stay-at-home offspring behind rise in vehicles on the drive
Families with four or more cars account for nearly one in 50 of all households
The owner of the nearby shop has a large van which he likes to park in our side-street. The street is narrow and our cars are on one side of it, so he parks opposite but almost completely blocking the pavement. I've asked him to park somewhere else a few times, as not only does it make pedestrians' lives difficult, it also restricts access for the bin wagon etc.
The other day I noticed that he had left three bread-trays on the kerb, spaced out so they occupied the space required for his van. In each tray was a home-made cardboard notice that read 'Parking reserved for Aziz Brothers van'! Bloody cheek. I picked them up and slung them in his shop's car park, which is where he should park his stupid van.
And breathe......
The other day I noticed that he had left three bread-trays on the kerb, spaced out so they occupied the space required for his van. In each tray was a home-made cardboard notice that read 'Parking reserved for Aziz Brothers van'! Bloody cheek. I picked them up and slung them in his shop's car park, which is where he should park his stupid van.
And breathe......
Originally Posted by Andy2:
“The owner of the nearby shop has a large van which he likes to park in our side-street. The street is narrow and our cars are on one side of it, so he parks opposite but almost completely blocking the pavement. I've asked him to park somewhere else a few times, as not only does it make pedestrians' lives difficult, it also restricts access for the bin wagon etc.
The other day I noticed that he had left three bread-trays on the kerb, spaced out so they occupied the space required for his van. In each tray was a home-made cardboard notice that read 'Parking reserved for Aziz Brothers van'! Bloody cheek. I picked them up and slung them in his shop's car park, which is where he should park his stupid van.
And breathe......”
“The owner of the nearby shop has a large van which he likes to park in our side-street. The street is narrow and our cars are on one side of it, so he parks opposite but almost completely blocking the pavement. I've asked him to park somewhere else a few times, as not only does it make pedestrians' lives difficult, it also restricts access for the bin wagon etc.
The other day I noticed that he had left three bread-trays on the kerb, spaced out so they occupied the space required for his van. In each tray was a home-made cardboard notice that read 'Parking reserved for Aziz Brothers van'! Bloody cheek. I picked them up and slung them in his shop's car park, which is where he should park his stupid van.
And breathe......”
So glad you did that.
Makes me very happy.
Originally Posted by Soundbox:
“Yes I know I should have more important things to think about but I felt really miffed having to help my nan along the roadway today and cars were slowing but why should we have to do this?”
“Yes I know I should have more important things to think about but I felt really miffed having to help my nan along the roadway today and cars were slowing but why should we have to do this?”
I think your concerns and your complaint are entirely justified. Pavements are for pedestrians.
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“but my camera is a massive dslr and takes twenty minutes to get out of the bag.”
“but my camera is a massive dslr and takes twenty minutes to get out of the bag.”
Buy a smartphone. Even the most primitive smartphone will have a good enough camera. One of the best things about my smartphone is that it has a 12Mp camera. It means I always have one on me and the amount of photography I've done has vastly increased. But even going back to my first smartphone it was 4Mp.
There are few reasons now for most people to bother with a DSLR. You have to be a very dedicated and creative person to see any advantage.
What annoys me is car owners who choose to park on the grass verge on a street nearby, they churn up all the grass and leave car tyre tracks all over it. They have parking at the back, but for convenience they park on grass on the main road and make the place look a mess.
Originally Posted by Harvey_Specter:
“So glad you did that.
Makes me very happy.”
“So glad you did that.
Makes me very happy.”
Thankyou, it made me feel good too. He hasn't done it since.
Me and my neighbour got together a few weeks ago and dobbed-in the horrible Polish bloke who has THREE cars parked on the road outside his house without bothering to tax any of them. That's just taking the p!ss. One of them has now been taken away, but the other two are still there despite still showing as untaxed on the DVLA website.
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