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A few questions about Jews/Nazism/Concentration Camps
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Sife Lucks
18-12-2016
So I've been watching an Anne Frank show today and it was really powerful stuff (I'd recommend anyone to watch it, it was the 2001 TV series 'The Whole Story') but I had a few questions based off of it. I hope they don't sound ignorant but I just don't know that much about that time period. I know there's alot of information online but sometimes you can't really just find a simple answer, every website has huge articles with tons of jargon and references that are a bit overwhelming so I thought I'd maybe see if anyone could explain or answer these in a simpler way -

1. What exactly started the whole antisemitism towards the Jews? A few websites have pointed at them being to blame for Germany losing WW1, while others have said it was simply because Hitler and Nazis wanted to "cleanse" Germany of everyone who they deemed as inferior members of society.

2. Following up on the first question, what was the process like in turning everyone against Jews and slowly isolating them from society before eventually sending them all to camps? It was sort of touched upon in the Anne Frank show that Jews were slowly being taken out of schools and banned from public parks and attractions and stuff, but was this over a spread out period of years or did it happen really quickly?

3. How did Otto Frank manage to survive the camps? I understand he and the others were captured in August 1944 and yet he survived in those horrible conditions until, what, April 1945? I would never have thought it would have been possible to survive so long being starved, living amongst disease and illness, being worked all day, beaten and the mental torture of possibly never seeing your family again or escaping and this is all just putting it lightly.
CravenHaven
18-12-2016
why don't you just look up wikipedia "antisemitism", "kristallnacht", "concentration camp"
Keyser_Soze1
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“why don't you just look up wikipedia "antisemitism", "kristallnacht", "concentration camp"”

I knew Godwin would be mentioned in this thread eventually.
skp20040
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“So I've been watching an Anne Frank show today and it was really powerful stuff (I'd recommend anyone to watch it, it was the 2001 TV series 'The Whole Story') but I had a few questions based off of it. I hope they don't sound ignorant but I just don't know that much about that time period. I know there's alot of information online but sometimes you can't really just find a simple answer, every website has huge articles with tons of jargon and references that are a bit overwhelming so I thought I'd maybe see if anyone could explain or answer these in a simpler way -

1. What exactly started the whole antisemitism towards the Jews? A few websites have pointed at them being to blame for Germany losing WW1, while others have said it was simply because Hitler and Nazis wanted to "cleanse" Germany of everyone who they deemed as inferior members of society.

2. Following up on the first question, what was the process like in turning everyone against Jews and slowly isolating them from society before eventually sending them all to camps? It was sort of touched upon in the Anne Frank show that Jews were slowly being taken out of schools and banned from public parks and attractions and stuff, but was this over a spread out period of years or did it happen really quickly?

3. How did Otto Frank manage to survive the camps? I understand he and the others were captured in August 1944 and yet he survived in those horrible conditions until, what, April 1945? I would never have thought it would have been possible to survive so long being starved, living amongst disease and illness, being worked all day, beaten and the mental torture of possibly never seeing your family again or escaping and this is all just putting it lightly.”

Re No 2, not everyone was turned against Jews though some will have had to pretend they hated them or suffer themselves (many secretly helped Jewish families ) they were not in the position we are today where you can just tell the authorities to sod off if they don't like who you mix with

Re No 3, it was luck of the draw really ( if you can say luck) . Some people were mentally and physically stronger than others , some were physically harmed to an extent they could not survive despite their will , some would have had so much they understandably gave up the will to live , some will have died as illness and infection got to them and of course so many were just murdered . There are so many reasons why some people survived and some did not.
Sife Lucks
18-12-2016
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“why don't you just look up wikipedia "antisemitism", "kristallnacht", "concentration camp"”

As I said in my original post, the articles on those pages are far too long and contain way too much information. I'm just looking for a summary. It would take forever to read those pages.
spiney2
19-12-2016
So, ''describe the history of antisemitism in 140 characters or less''?

It's hundreds of years old (think ''Shylock''), and complicated, but the wikipedia article ''anti semitism'' is pretty good. Or try: religioustolerance.org .
Fairyprincess0
19-12-2016
Whats the differents between racism, and antisemitism???

Is it possible to be antisemitic, but not racist???
skp20040
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Fairyprincess0:
“Whats the differents between racism, and antisemitism???

Is it possible to be antisemitic, but not racist???”

To some people it isn't as many will call it racism , there are some that find criticism of the Israeli government to be anti-Semitic ??? I have never worked that one out as the Israeli government is supposedly secular yet some will accuse you of anti-Semitism should you criticise it.

On a serious note to my mind yes someone could be anti-Semitic and not racist, Judaism is a religion not a specific race as there are many people who follow the Jewish religion of different races
Toby LaRhone
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“As I said in my original post, the articles on those pages are far too long and contain way too much information. I'm just looking for a summary. It would take forever to read those pages.”

So you're just mildly curious but too lazy to educate yourself?
Your "curiosity" is offensive.
boddism
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“So I've been watching an Anne Frank show today and it was really powerful stuff (I'd recommend anyone to watch it, it was the 2001 TV series 'The Whole Story') but I had a few questions based off of it. I hope they don't sound ignorant but I just don't know that much about that time period. I know there's alot of information online but sometimes you can't really just find a simple answer, every website has huge articles with tons of jargon and references that are a bit overwhelming so I thought I'd maybe see if anyone could explain or answer these in a simpler way -

1. What exactly started the whole antisemitism towards the Jews? A few websites have pointed at them being to blame for Germany losing WW1, while others have said it was simply because Hitler and Nazis wanted to "cleanse" Germany of everyone who they deemed as inferior members of society.

2. Following up on the first question, what was the process like in turning everyone against Jews and slowly isolating them from society before eventually sending them all to camps? It was sort of touched upon in the Anne Frank show that Jews were slowly being taken out of schools and banned from public parks and attractions and stuff, but was this over a spread out period of years or did it happen really quickly?

3. How did Otto Frank manage to survive the camps? I understand he and the others were captured in August 1944 and yet he survived in those horrible conditions until, what, April 1945? I would never have thought it would have been possible to survive so long being starved, living amongst disease and illness, being worked all day, beaten and the mental torture of possibly never seeing your family again or escaping and this is all just putting it lightly.”

1, Anti semitic feeling had existed in Europe for HUNDREDS of years prior to Nazi Germany. Central to Hitler's ethos was the theory that the reason for all of German societies ills was the Jews. Thy were thought to be a cancerous negative influence on German society, undermining society & destroying it from within. a 19th century Darwinian idea "Eugenics" became popular, that is that there is such a thing as superior & inferior races of humans & that imperfections can be spotted & "bred out" (as you would with domestic dogs for example)
The current attitude of blaming immigrants for all Britain's faults at present is kinda similar, although ours is (currently) a watered down version.

2. Public propoganda was used relentlessly, people were encouraged to be good patriotic Germans by joining groups like Hitler Youth etc. The free press was banned. The public was relentlessly fed a diet of the nations ills being blamed on the Jews. (kinda similar to the Anti immigrant stories you read these days in the Daily Mail & Express)
Dont forget racism in general was considerably worse than now, there had never been any real anti-racism movements so the majority population were far more susceptible to racist ideology. Society wasn't multicultural so most Germans woudnt have known Jews personally. People didnt really think about the feelings of the Jews, it was an irrelevance. The Nazi's went from negative propogranda to death camps in under 10 years so I'd say that was quick wouldnt you?

3. There's a fascinating book "Otto" written about Otto's life, including his times in the camps. He survived how other did, by using his guile. I think he had some kind of skills that enabled him to survive, I don't remember the details. He was quite ill in the camps for a while. After he left he went looking for his family but found out they were all dead.
boddism
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“As I said in my original post, the articles on those pages are far too long and contain way too much information. I'm just looking for a summary. It would take forever to read those pages.”

Sorry but you learn by focusing, not having a soundbite given to you.

If you can't handle a wiki page how an you even begin to contemplate reading a book on the subject?? :

I'm gobsmacked to read the above comment. How do you think people LEARN?

Even Wiki itself is a very basic introduction to ANY subject.

You do realise don't you, that any comments you are given on here are just peoples opinions & impressions? Someone might give you a strong impression of an event & it be utterly inaccurate. You need to READ a few accounts & perhaps see a few documentaries to get a more rounded view.

I presume you are young- under 30? Reading is VITALLY important if you are ever develop a full rounded education. Not all things can be explained in Twitter sized bites!

Sometimes I could weep for the future!
stoatie
19-12-2016
I may be wrong, as I have a bit of a cold, but I smell disingenuity quite strongly here.
WhatJoeThinks
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“As I said in my original post, the articles on those pages are far too long and contain way too much information. I'm just looking for a summary. It would take forever to read those pages.”

Sure. It's much easier to co-opt as many non-experts as you can and ask them to provide the Janet and John version, or something like the blurb off the back of Antisemitism for Dummies.
stoatie
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“As I said in my original post, the articles on those pages are far too long and contain way too much information. I'm just looking for a summary. It would take forever to read those pages.”

BIB- no such thing.
annette kurten
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“So I've been watching an Anne Frank show today and it was really powerful stuff (I'd recommend anyone to watch it, it was the 2001 TV series 'The Whole Story') but I had a few questions based off of it. I hope they don't sound ignorant but I just don't know that much about that time period. I know there's alot of information online but sometimes you can't really just find a simple answer, every website has huge articles with tons of jargon and references that are a bit overwhelming so I thought I'd maybe see if anyone could explain or answer these in a simpler way -

1. What exactly started the whole antisemitism towards the Jews? A few websites have pointed at them being to blame for Germany losing WW1, while others have said it was simply because Hitler and Nazis wanted to "cleanse" Germany of everyone who they deemed as inferior members of society.

2. Following up on the first question, what was the process like in turning everyone against Jews and slowly isolating them from society before eventually sending them all to camps? It was sort of touched upon in the Anne Frank show that Jews were slowly being taken out of schools and banned from public parks and attractions and stuff, but was this over a spread out period of years or did it happen really quickly?

3. How did Otto Frank manage to survive the camps? I understand he and the others were captured in August 1944 and yet he survived in those horrible conditions until, what, April 1945? I would never have thought it would have been possible to survive so long being starved, living amongst disease and illness, being worked all day, beaten and the mental torture of possibly never seeing your family again or escaping and this is all just putting it lightly.”

there`s some very good documentaries on youtube about the process, i`ve been watching a lot lately, i`ll find some links if you like?
Horace Wimp
19-12-2016
Is the OP for real ?

Go to a library, they are very 19th century and shit, but books are good, they give you information, the type of information you're looking for I'd guess.

Some things you can't simplify, or abridge, the Holocaust is one of them.
Sife Lucks
19-12-2016
I'm surprised at some of the hostile replies I've had.

The Wikipedia articles (and other websites) are HUGE walls of text. Yes, that's great and very informative but all I simply am looking for is a summary. I KNOW you can't possibly compress everything into a small paragraph but one poster above managed to give a few paragraphs which was detailed enough and was what I was looking for and also gives me something to work with in terms of web searches, specific names, dates etc to research.

I can't believe this is the reaction someone gets for wanting to learn something. Jeez. Unbelievable reaction.
WhatJoeThinks
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“I'm surprised at some of the hostile replies I've had.

The Wikipedia articles (and other websites) are HUGE walls of text. Yes, that's great and very informative but all I simply am looking for is a summary. I KNOW you can't possibly compress everything into a small paragraph but one poster above managed to give a few paragraphs which was detailed enough and was what I was looking for and also gives me something to work with in terms of web searches, specific names, dates etc to research.

I can't believe this is the reaction someone gets for wanting to learn something. Jeez. Unbelievable reaction.”

Just read the lead section of the Wikipedia article. That in itself is a summary. If you want to know more, simply read more. If you really wanted to learn something you'd be doing just that, instead of pretending to be.. whatever this is.
annette kurten
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“I'm surprised at some of the hostile replies I've had.

The Wikipedia articles (and other websites) are HUGE walls of text. Yes, that's great and very informative but all I simply am looking for is a summary. I KNOW you can't possibly compress everything into a small paragraph but one poster above managed to give a few paragraphs which was detailed enough and was what I was looking for and also gives me something to work with in terms of web searches, specific names, dates etc to research.

I can't believe this is the reaction someone gets for wanting to learn something. Jeez. Unbelievable reaction.”

i did offer to posts links.
koantemplation
19-12-2016
There is a film out at the moment called 'Denial' about a court case where an accuser has to prove the Holocaust happened so they can sue a Holocaust denier.

Quote:
“Based on the acclaimed book “History on Trial: My Day in Court with a Holocaust Denier,” DENIAL recounts Deborah E. Lipstadt’s (Academy Award winner Rachel Weisz) legal battle for historical truth against David Irving (Cannes Award winner Timothy Spall), who accused her of libel when she declared him a Holocaust denier. In the English legal system, the burden of proof is on the accused, therefore it was up to Lipstadt and her legal team to prove the essential truth that the Holocaust occurred.”

Sounds interesting and might be educational to the OP and anyone interested in the subject.
annette kurten
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“There is a film out at the moment called 'Denial' about a court case where an accuser has to prove the Holocaust happened so they can sue a Holocaust denier.



Sounds interesting and might be educational to the OP and anyone interested in the subject.”

that sounds like my kind of thing, i`ll look for that, thanks for posting it.
WhatJoeThinks
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“i did offer to posts links.”

I don't think he was really interested, annette.
Sife Lucks
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“i did offer to posts links.”

Hi, yeah, please. That would be great thanks.
WhatJoeThinks
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“Hi, yeah, please. That would be great thanks.”

*Cough* Bullshit! *Cough*
annette kurten
19-12-2016
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“I don't think he was really interested, annette.”

i did wonder when he swept past.
Originally Posted by Sife Lucks:
“Hi, yeah, please. That would be great thanks.”

it`s my pleasure, it`s an interesting topic, especially just now.

i`ll just find them in my videos and i`ll come back and post a y/t playlist.
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