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hitler`s children.
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Or u cd read william shirer's book ''inside the third reich'' ....... Wasn't the point to describe hitler in just one sentence ?
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Private Baldrick: No, the thing is: The way I see it, these days there's a war on, right? And, ages ago, there wasn't a war on, right? So, there must have been a moment when there not being a war on went away, right? And there being a war on came along. So, what I want to know is: How did we get from the one case of affairs to the other case of affairs?
Captain Blackadder: Do you mean, "how did the war start?" |
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There is a film out at the moment called 'Denial' about a court case where an accuser has to prove the Holocaust happened so they can sue a Holocaust denier.
Sounds interesting and might be educational to the OP and anyone interested in the subject. |
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I'm surprised at some of the hostile replies I've had.
The Wikipedia articles (and other websites) are HUGE walls of text. Yes, that's great and very informative but all I simply am looking for is a summary. I KNOW you can't possibly compress everything into a small paragraph but one poster above managed to give a few paragraphs which was detailed enough and was what I was looking for and also gives me something to work with in terms of web searches, specific names, dates etc to research. I can't believe this is the reaction someone gets for wanting to learn something. Jeez. Unbelievable reaction. |
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It should have been in Advice, rather than GD.
I was tempted to Alert the Mods, but then I thought "Aww, it's Christmas". |
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To the OP while your correct that the Jews made up the largest portion of concentration camp inmates, there were others. In fact in the beginning the camps were for political dissidents and other undesirables. In the end Jews, gypsies, prisoners of war etc ended up in concentration and death camps.
I read an article by a Polish prisoner of war who spent 5 years in various camps, and he points to the Jews as being generally the worst prisoners when it came to telling on the other prisoners, stealing food etc. So not every things black and white. But at the end of the day, some people will do anything to survive, would any of us be any better? |
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There is a film out at the moment called 'Denial' about a court case where an accuser has to prove the Holocaust happened so they can sue a Holocaust denier.
Sounds interesting and might be educational to the OP and anyone interested in the subject. |
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To the OP while your correct that the Jews made up the largest portion of concentration camp inmates, there were others. In fact in the beginning the camps were for political dissidents and other undesirables. In the end Jews, gypsies, prisoners of war etc ended up in concentration and death camps.
I read an article by a Polish prisoner of war who spent 5 years in various camps, and he points to the Jews as being generally the worst prisoners when it came to telling on the other prisoners, stealing food etc. So not every things black and white. But at the end of the day, some people will do anything to survive, would any of us be any better? As for your Polish inmate's memoirs, I've never heard of one set of inmates being worse or better than another. The SS put all the inmates in horrific impossible situations - it's probably best not to judge them as you say. |
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why don't you just look up wikipedia "antisemitism", "kristallnacht", "concentration camp"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...llnacht-pogrom They've found a photo that appears to show Herschel Grynszpan actually survived the war. |
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To the OP while your correct that the Jews made up the largest portion of concentration camp inmates, there were others. In fact in the beginning the camps were for political dissidents and other undesirables. In the end Jews, gypsies, prisoners of war etc ended up in concentration and death camps.
I read an article by a Polish prisoner of war who spent 5 years in various camps, and he points to the Jews as being generally the worst prisoners when it came to telling on the other prisoners, stealing food etc. So not every things black and white. But at the end of the day, some people will do anything to survive, would any of us be any better? Most of the poles welcomed the Germans initially and were willing to give up their Jewish compatriots for their belongings. It was only when the Nazis started rounding up poles that they became outraged but they didn't give a toss about the Jews suffering. . |
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Bib the poles were massively antisemitic so I'd take that with a massive pinch of salt.
Most of the poles welcomed the Germans initially and were willing to give up their Jewish compatriots for their belongings. It was only when the Nazis started rounding up poles that they became outraged but they didn't give a toss about the Jews suffering. . |
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They really have come crawling out of the woodwork haven't they?
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anti semitism at that time was global.
There were pogroms against the Jews in eastern Europe long before the Nazis came to power. |
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I was responding to a specific point about Poland. I'm not denying antisemitism wasn't global but it's a historical fact that it was particularly bad in eastern Europe.
There were pogroms against the Jews in eastern Europe long before the Nazis came to power. that`s how it works.
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I was responding to a specific point about Poland. I'm not denying antisemitism wasn't global but it's a historical fact that it was particularly bad in eastern Europe.
There were pogroms against the Jews in eastern Europe long before the Nazis came to power. |
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and i`m responding to your post
that`s how it works.I know perfectly well how it works thanks |
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Yes but I fail to see the relevance in the context of the point I was making Annette
I know perfectly well how it works thanks you said the polish were very anti semitic at the time and i pointed out that anti semitism was a huge global phenomenon and you cannot see the relevance. |
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OP there's never a 'too much information' logic that can ever be applied to such an emotive subject. Education, and educating oneself, should always be must where this particular issue is concerned.
I had my Father and an Uncle from his entire family who survived the camps, my Father managed to escape by a miracle along with is Brother, they were but children themselves. Five generations of his family were brutally tortured, starved, marched and beaten and subjected to the worst conditions possible. My Father died earlier this year, and to his dying day, he treated everyone with tolerance and respect. I think educating yourself on this subject is one of the greatest things you can do. There's loads of information out there. |
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Bib the poles were massively antisemitic so I'd take that with a massive pinch of salt.
Most of the poles welcomed the Germans initially and were willing to give up their Jewish compatriots for their belongings. It was only when the Nazis started rounding up poles that they became outraged but they didn't give a toss about the Jews suffering. . There would be anti- semitism of course but the tales of the courage of Polish people who helped Jews are legendary. Much like in other Nazi occupied territories. It's hard to guage how people thought about things back then - no one asked them at the time. |
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As said by others, anti-Semitism has been rife in Europe, and other parts of the world for centuries. Quote:
Though not part of Roman Catholic dogma, many Christians, including members of the clergy, have held the Jewish people collectively responsible for killing Jesus. As stated in the Boston College Guide to Passion Plays, "Over the course of time, Christians began to accept … that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for killing Jesus. According to this interpretation, both the Jews present at Jesus Christ's death and the Jewish people collectively and for all time, have committed the sin of deicide, or "god-killing". For 1900 years of Christian-Jewish history, the charge of deicide has led to hatred, violence against and murder of Jews in Europe and America.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_JewsQuote:
Blood libel (also blood accusation)[1][2] is an accusation[3][4][5] that Jews kidnapped and murdered the children of Christians in order to use their blood as part of their religious rituals during Jewish holidays.[1][2][6] Historically, these claims – alongside those of well poisoning and host desecration – have been a major theme of the persecution of Jews in Europe.[4]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
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To the OP while your correct that the Jews made up the largest portion of concentration camp inmates, there were others. In fact in the beginning the camps were for political dissidents and other undesirables. In the end Jews, gypsies, prisoners of war etc ended up in concentration and death camps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_c...ionslagern.jpg Germans, being Germans came up with a simple system to identify undesirables. The camps weren't an exclusively Jewish phenomena, and some of the early death camp work was done on the disabled & mentally ill. Once euthanased, they were no longer a burden on the state. As for the rest, TL;DR version.. Hitler was a batshit crazy but highly charasmatic leader who surrounded himself with sycophants that went along with his ideas. Longer version.. He probably got shaped by his experiences in Vienna, the general background of racism and fear of immigration (any of this sounding familiar?) then Germany's defeat in WW1, and the way they were punished by the Treaty of Versailles. Then after the war, he got political with the NSDAP which blamed the Marxists and Jews for pretty much everything.. So rather thoroughly radicalised. Then came the beer hall killings.. Which probably helped the rise of Hitler's power & the NSDAP, ie an unhealthy mix of alchohol and vitriol. But it worked on a sense that Germany's failure was someone else's fault and he could do a better job. Sadly that didn't result in Hitler's death, but gave him the chance to write 'Mein Kampf' whilst sitting in jail. That kind of explains Hitler's mindset (batshit crazy) and reminds me that there's a new print of that complete with explanatory notes.. It's not exactly an easy read, but worth it if you want to try to understand the beginnings. Then after leaving jail, he assumed control of the NSDAP, took advantage of the depression and steadily rose to power. Hopefully it's not something that could ever happen again because thanks to modern communications, it's easier to find out about whats going on and put a stop to it. |
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And before we get to the 'but how did they manage to kill 6 million Jews in the extermination camps' part, the 6 million figure is all Jewish deaths resulting from the Nazi regime - including mass murder in the ghettoes, deaths caused by the forced marches and horrific transportations, and deaths in labour camps from exhaustion, starvation and illness etc.
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