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Old 19-12-2016, 22:44
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I work a fair bit in Aldershot, and reports of them crapping in the street is news to me.

The main problem is that a large number of them, mostly elderly, have moved into the town over a short period of time, with little infrastructure and supporting services in place for this influx.

I have no problem with them. They are extremely courteous and have impeccable manners.
As odd as it sounds it has been reported on the various local groups I'm afraid by a few sources. And yes. The infrastructure is at breaking point. Not least because Hart council also keep trying to build on Rushmoor borders so those buyers will use Rushmoor services rather than Hart ones.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:06
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Does Joanna Lumley struggle to get a GP appointment due to the absolute huge number of ELDERLY Gurkhas/Nepalese where she lives?

Whilst many YOUNG migrants may not need much health care the very elderly Gurkhas do need a lot of medical treatment and clog up the system.

Is it only people that are not affected by strain on public services that campaign for a free for all?
I can't really see Joanna Lumley needing an NHS GP, tbh. She'll probably go private.
I really do think you are worrying needlessly.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:09
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Does Joanna Lumley struggle to get a GP appointment due to the absolute huge number of ELDERLY Gurkhas/Nepalese where she lives?

Whilst many YOUNG migrants may not need much health care the very elderly Gurkhas do need a lot of medical treatment and clog up the system.

Is it only people that are not affected by strain on public services that campaign for a free for all?
It's not a free for all for the Gurkhas, they have paid their dues through blood, sweat and tears, they deserve the very best the British can offer because they will lay down their lives to protect us all, migrant take and give nothing.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:22
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The Gurkhas have done a lot for this country, the occasional doctors appointment is the very least we can offer in return IMHO.
totally agree with this
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Old 20-12-2016, 09:20
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I work a fair bit in Aldershot, and reports of them crapping in the street is news to me.

The main problem is that a large number of them, mostly elderly, have moved into the town over a short period of time, with little infrastructure and supporting services in place for this influx.

I have no problem with them. They are extremely courteous and have impeccable manners.
I live in Aldershot and have seen it with my own eyes.

No one really has an issue with the Nepalese themselves, always polite and the younger ones seem to have filled most of the jobs at the lower end of the scale in the area. Obviously you have the odd idiot with an issue but they'd have an issue no matter what country the influx had come from.

It really is all about the local services being swamped. 10's of 1000's of people of any culture moving into an area is going to do that.

You see groups of elderly Nepalese hanging around the streets all day, seemingly with nowhere to go or do.

When it all kicked off again about a year after the end of St Joanna's campaign the local radio were interviewing (thorough a translator) Nepalese pensioners who didn't speak English, who had been told by these dodgy companies that set up to encourage them to move, that they would be able to earn upwards of £35k a year and it would all be fine.

The most damning thing about it all is that a lot of them are unhappy and want to go home but can't afford to do so.

It's not all roses though there are a few bad eggs, as in any community, and there have been a few fights between different gangs of Nepalese teenagers in the park but on the whole nothing worse than Airborne Day!

And what you've also got to remember is every Gurkha is a volunteer, and many of them trekked for days to reach the recruitment centre.
They were happy to sign the contract at the time, on whatever terms and conditions they were offered. It's only much later when other 'players' got involved that it seemed to be an issue.
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Old 20-12-2016, 09:53
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I live in Aldershot and have seen it with my own eyes.
Sorry, but it's still apocryphal hearsay.

Needs some links to the Local or National Press. Or maybe, you could take a photo or video next time you go out and upload it.

I did have a look myself, to save you the bother, but nothing definitive.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Ne...utf-8&oe=utf-8

In the meantime, I'll have to call SherpaShit


If it is true, sounds like they are improving the place http://www.ilivehere.co.uk/aldershot...with-scum.html
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Old 20-12-2016, 09:57
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As a resident of Farnborough who deals with Nepalese people on a daily basis in a work capacity, I can only assume that the OP is talking about a different Farnborough and Aldershot and has never actually visited the area.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:04
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I used to live near aldershot it was always full of army men and women, due to that IMO it was a great place to live, when the Gurkhas were in town doubly so, I've never met such polite and lovely people in my life as those men.

We don't see many since we moved back to Woking but I can't imagine they have changed much it was tradition for them to give unstintingly to this country, we owe them a lot.

Don't blame the people using a service blame the people providing it because even without any Gurkhas we can't get GP appointments the service seems on its knees. Blame successive governments who have devestated the NHS.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:21
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Which years?

Not entirely sure of the veracity of this but many people have told me that Nepalese people in Aldershot openly defecate in the street/supermarket/buses etc.

I know it sounds absolutely ridiculous but it is true. No-one can truly believe it because it sounds so ridiculous but it is true.

Apparently is it quite common.
*cough* bullshit *cough*

I live in Yateley, have friends and family in Aldershot and work in Reading and have never seen anyone crapping in the street. Your sweeping generalistion is just complete fiction.

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Old 20-12-2016, 10:40
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Sorry, but it's still apocryphal hearsay.

Needs some links to the Local or National Press. Or maybe, you could take a photo or video next time you go out and upload it.

I did have a look myself, to save you the bother, but nothing definitive.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Ne...utf-8&oe=utf-8

In the meantime, I'll have to call SherpaShit


If it is true, sounds like they are improving the place http://www.ilivehere.co.uk/aldershot...with-scum.html
So nothing has ever happened unless it's made the National or Local news?

Don't worry, I'll make sure I take a photo next time I see someone squatting in the gardens next to the Library. Or maybe take a stroll through the park to photo the 'packages' left behind.

It's a relic of a something from home. Even now only about 48% of the population have access to a 'proper' toilet. Village District Committees have declared themselves Open Defecation Free Zones to combat the problem. Maybe Rushmoor Council should do the same.

You could find a piece like that on any town. The Knowhere Guide used to have some quite amusing tales like that. Having said that Aldershot grew with the Army and died on it's arse when the Army mostly left. Now they've got 3 Infantry Regiments and various Support Units moving in by 2020 which should kick start the town back into life.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:40
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The Gurkhas and Nepalese of SE London are lovely folk, really nice people.
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:09
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The Gurkhas and Nepalese of SE London are lovely folk, really nice people.
Do they shit in the street or is it just the (made-up) Aldershot/Reading ones?
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:12
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Do they shit in the street or is it just the (made-up) Aldershot/Reading ones?
Only people round here do it are drunks after loos are locked at night. Disgusting habit but I'm not sure their race is relevant as much as how much they have drunk.
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:18
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Do they shit in the street or is it just the (made-up) Aldershot/Reading ones?


Nope. Perfectly behaved.
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:20
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The most damning thing about it all is that a lot of them are unhappy and want to go home but can't afford to do so.
The first part of that statement is true,
The public were bamboozled into thinking that the Gurkhas dearest wish was to spend their last few years in the UK.
No matter that anyone should wonder why Gurkhas, whose dearest wish happens to be to die in the village of their birth, should wonder there was a great desire to up-root themselves from their comfortable situation in Nepal, leave their families behind to live in a country that they majority had never served in, had little knowledge of , and did not speak the language.
Many of them are leading miserable lives, in cramped multi-dwelling bedsits owned by greedy Nepalese landlords.
Health workers in Aldershot have noticed the onset of what they term 'Reverse empty-nest syndrome' whereby the elderly , especially widows are bereft at the absence of their families who are not allowed to settle here as they are adult children.

The second part of your statement I would disagree with, there are funds available to return elderly Gurkhas to Nepal, should they wish.
The idea that they cannot return is simply a fiction born of the Pensions campaign,

In reality few of ex-Gurkhas settling in UK are poor, they have swapped a situation where their service pension brings a comfortable lifestyle in Nepal to one where they are at least having the income of a British state pensioner.
In fact many do return to Nepal for extended visits and others have returned permanently to Nepal once their dependents have settled here.
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:24
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Do ex-SAS Gurkhas do it in a carrier bag and dispose of it considerately?
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:53
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Do ex-SAS Gurkhas do it in a carrier bag and dispose of it considerately?
No, they abseil halfway down a building and commence a lofty poop from there.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:40
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The first part of that statement is true,
The public were bamboozled into thinking that the Gurkhas dearest wish was to spend their last few years in the UK.
No matter that anyone should wonder why Gurkhas, whose dearest wish happens to be to die in the village of their birth, should wonder there was a great desire to up-root themselves from their comfortable situation in Nepal, leave their families behind to live in a country that they majority had never served in, had little knowledge of , and did not speak the language.
Many of them are leading miserable lives, in cramped multi-dwelling bedsits owned by greedy Nepalese landlords.
Health workers in Aldershot have noticed the onset of what they term 'Reverse empty-nest syndrome' whereby the elderly , especially widows are bereft at the absence of their families who are not allowed to settle here as they are adult children.

The second part of your statement I would disagree with, there are funds available to return elderly Gurkhas to Nepal, should they wish.
The idea that they cannot return is simply a fiction born of the Pensions campaign,

In reality few of ex-Gurkhas settling in UK are poor, they have swapped a situation where their service pension brings a comfortable lifestyle in Nepal to one where they are at least having the income of a British state pensioner.
In fact many do return to Nepal for extended visits and others have returned permanently to Nepal once their dependents have settled here.
Genuine question as somebody who knows very little about this - are you (and others) saying that some of them were forced against their will to come to the UK whether they wished to or not, which seems to be the gist of yours and some other posts.

It seems odd if that's the case, rather than them deciding they don't like it here once choosing to come here - which can happen to anybody uprooting from one country to another.

I would have thought they would have to apply, go through some formal paperwork, etc. to enable a move to the UK, yet the implication seems to be that some came here fairly much against their will.
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:33
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Genuine question as somebody who knows very little about this - are you (and others) saying that some of them were forced against their will to come to the UK whether they wished to or not, which seems to be the gist of yours and some other posts.

It seems odd if that's the case, rather than them deciding they don't like it here once choosing to come here - which can happen to anybody uprooting from one country to another.

I would have thought they would have to apply, go through some formal paperwork, etc. to enable a move to the UK, yet the implication seems to be that some came here fairly much against their will.
Depends on your definition of 'forced'

It's clear that in many cases, the decision to come to UK was not prompted by the individual themselves.
In his evidence before the parliamentary committee - Tim Heaver, a lawyer who works on behalf of former Gurkha soldiers made this comment in 2009

With larger (although still modest) numbers of ex-Gurkhas settling in the UK, demands for charitable resources are increasing. The distortion of the process caused by GAESO's actions in Nepal are leading to greater numbers of elderly Gurkhas seeking to settle here in order to bring their families here. In many cases, pressure from adult children is intense. Many older ex-Gurkhas have no family or support network to move into in the UK, and the reluctance of the caste/jat groups to get involved removes one previously important source of help. The distortion of choice has probably led to many ex-Gurkhas choosing to enter the U.K. who would otherwise have not sought to do so and has undoubtedly led to greater demands on the charitable sector than were anticipated and has caused a strain on resources.
http://www.publications.parliament.u...0/10030904.htm

The Army Benevolent Fund has reported one case of a 'bewildered' (almost certainly a euphemism for early stage senility ) ex-Gurkha soldier arriving in London with just a note directing him to Aldershot, clearly the family advance party. ABF assisted him to return to Nepal.
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:58
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The mainstream media do not report on Gurkhas/Nepalese defecating in the street because it does not fit their agenda.

Everyone knows ALL Gurkhas are all polite and well behaved. None of them ever spit or barge you out the way when marauding past you.

This photo was taken in Katmandu

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/..._ADVICE_PI.jpg
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:59
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Epic trolling, to be fair.
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:15
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The mainstream media do not report on Gurkhas/Nepalese defecating in the street because it does not fit their agenda.

Everyone knows ALL Gurkhas are all polite and well behaved. None of them ever spit or barge you out the way when marauding past you.

This photo was taken in Katmandu

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/..._ADVICE_PI.jpg
Doesn't seem to be anyone defecating in that photo.
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:27
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I lived in both tons in the 80s and 90s and we all got on with the Gurkhas( or Gherkins as we affectionately called them) we had them as neighbours and they were very polite.
The have every right to be there of course but I think the problems started when Lumley started fighting for extended families from Nepal to be allowed to come and live, uncles, aunties, grandparents, nephews, and so on, the elders so stuck in their ways with the street urinating and deficating, its a normal thing out there. Yes it Does happen, I have seen it myself, old ladies hitching up their skirts and weeing and pooing in alleyways and in Manor Park, human poop is quite common there.
The culture clash has been too much, in F/Borough on market days, the market stalls now have Nepalese as the first language on their prices for instance, when a culture takes over the original culture of a country thats where the problems start.

This was an ill though out plan with very little money thrown at it the extended families are the probem, NOT the Gurkhas, there was never a culture clash before and if handled in the right way it could have worked, but in my eyes, it isnt, I never want to go back home again .

There are now ZERO council houses available, if you go on the list then you will be offered private accommodation. resources are stretched to the limit ,
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:55
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The mainstream media do not report on Gurkhas/Nepalese defecating in the street because it does not fit their agenda.

Everyone knows ALL Gurkhas are all polite and well behaved. None of them ever spit or barge you out the way when marauding past you.

This photo was taken in Katmandu

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/..._ADVICE_PI.jpg
I'm confused. They seem to be calm, non-defecating Nepalese in a video editing suite.
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:58
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Why have all these Nepalese gone to Surrey? They must be rolling in it!

edit: cash, not faeces
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