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Old 19-12-2016, 16:36
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What free space is left for new services?
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Old 19-12-2016, 17:13
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Looking at it there are still a fair few overnight gaps currently filled will teleshopping that could be used
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Old 20-12-2016, 01:53
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SD space:

COM6/ARQB in the mornings, 00:00 to 08:00; and separately between 06:00 and 08:00

SD and HD space
Either 1 full 24 hour HD channel (with BBC approval) alongside the advertised 21:00 to 07:00 space on PSB3/BBCB
Or 6 additional 24 hour SD channels "streams" on PSB3/BBCB

5 additional HD streams, running 24 hours on COM8
4 additional SD streams alongside the 5 HD streams or 30 additional SD streams in replacement for 5 additional HD streams on COM8.
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:50
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SD and HD space
Either 1 full 24 hour HD channel (with BBC approval) alongside the advertised 21:00 to 07:00 space on PSB3/BBCB
Or 6 additional 24 hour SD channels "streams" on PSB3/BBCB
And yet they refuse to move BBC4HD/CBeebiesHD from COM7 to PSB3!
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:51
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SD space:

COM6/ARQB in the mornings, 00:00 to 08:00; and separately between 06:00 and 08:00

SD and HD space
Either 1 full 24 hour HD channel (with BBC approval) alongside the advertised 21:00 to 07:00 space on PSB3/BBCB
Or 6 additional 24 hour SD channels "streams" on PSB3/BBCB

5 additional HD streams, running 24 hours on COM8
4 additional SD streams alongside the 5 HD streams or 30 additional SD streams in replacement for 5 additional HD streams on COM8.
Interesting, could you give the source of your information so that we can examine it further.
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:59
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Wow that's a few channels that might join next year.
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Old 20-12-2016, 18:18
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And yet they refuse to move BBC4HD/CBeebiesHD from COM7 to PSB3!
I don't think that space actually exists. Yes, technically they could squeeze another HD channel in, but the BBC like to maintain a level of quality that the commercial networks don't.
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Old 21-12-2016, 01:45
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Interesting, could you give the source of your information so that we can examine it further.
Yes, based on the digital bitrate website: http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php...ng=en&mux=COM8 and Steve Boswell's multiplex timeshare page:
http://www.xhxf.uk/timeshares/index.htm

COM7 has very little null packets, so therefore COM8 being an exact replica of COM7, the current streaming arrangement on COM7 can be replicated on COM8.

BBCB, can also be a replica, but I agree with chrisy, the BBC takes more into account of viewer quality perception versus Arqiva's arrangements on their multiplexes. Where for example, Film4+1 on BBCB is running at 1920 x 1080 even though it is an SD channel. All SD channels on COM7, COM8 have a aspect ratio of 544 x 576; not even 704 x 576 as done on most channels on BBCA and 720 x 576 on D3&4.

Also, GMAN multiplex in Manchester only has a potential one extra 24 hour stream vacant, following running the mux with 7 streams until earlier this year.
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Old 21-12-2016, 08:46
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Yes, based on the digital bitrate website: http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php...ng=en&mux=COM8
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Where for example, Film4+1 on BBCB is running at 1920 x 1080 even though it is an SD channel.
Your link says 544x576 which also matches what I receive through my aerial from the London BBC. It even looks very poor to poor SD resolution.
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Old 21-12-2016, 13:14
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Wow that's a few channels that might join next year.
Not really, this space has been available for ages and no broadcaster has taken it, hence it is still sitting empty.

CBS Action +1, Horror Channel +1, More4 +1, Yesterday +1, Spike +1, True Entertainment +1 are all the most likely candidates, so nothing to get excited about!
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Old 21-12-2016, 13:21
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CBS Action +1, Horror Channel +1, More4 +1, Yesterday +1, Spike +1, True Entertainment +1 are all the most likely candidates, so nothing to get excited about!
- and Rishtey Cineplex have got their licence today and will probably start sometime in January.
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Old 21-12-2016, 13:39
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- and Rishtey Cineplex have got their licence today and will probably start sometime in January.
It'll just take the place of Rishtey on COM7 won't it since the owners have shown little interest in keeping the latter on air?
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:30
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Film4+1 on BBCB is running at 1920 x 1080 even though it is an SD channel.
But it's not. It's broadcasting at the same crappy 544x576 like all the other SD channels on COM muxes.

What numpty thought having less horizontal pixels than vertical was a good idea for 16:9 programming?
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Old 22-12-2016, 12:53
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I don't think that space actually exists. Yes, technically they could squeeze another HD channel in, but the BBC like to maintain a level of quality that the commercial networks don't.
So is that it then for us Freeviewers, or can more channels be added with extra 'infastructure', (e.g more satellites are launched to increase Sky's capacity)?
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Old 22-12-2016, 13:38
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So is that it then for us Freeviewers, or can more channels be added with extra 'infastructure', (e.g more satellites are launched to increase Sky's capacity)?
Freeview can add extra capacity but it is very expensive plus it won't happen as more frequencies
are now being sold to the Mobile Phone networks including Tablets/IPads

If it were to happen then two or more Muxes need to be set up broadcasting in the DVB-T2 HEVEC format
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Old 22-12-2016, 14:08
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Freeview can add extra capacity but it is very expensive plus it won't happen as more frequencies
are now being sold to the Mobile Phone networks including Tablets/IPads

If it were to happen then two or more Muxes need to be set up broadcasting in the DVB-T2 HEVEC format
If all the 6 muxes at dso 2 when the 700MHz band is sold off.
Just go DVB T2 and AAC AVC like PSB 3 comm7 and comm 8 are now
And PSBs go HD only .... there is a lot more space Available.....
Including PSB wide coverage ..... if a non PSB can afford it ..
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Old 22-12-2016, 15:46
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If all the 6 muxes at dso 2 when the 700MHz band is sold off.
Just go DVB T2 and AAC AVC like PSB 3 comm7 and comm 8 are now
And PSBs go HD only .... there is a lot more space Available.....
Including PSB wide coverage ..... if a non PSB can afford it ..
They certainly can but I don't see it happening. They could double the number of channels yet increase total viewership by less than 1%. The only benefit is that the marketing people could say "Freeview now has 200 channels instead of 100".

The trouble is there are no major entertainment channels queuing up to join Freeview, channels like ITV2HD, E4HD, 4MoviesHD, etc.

Worst case scenario, Freeview agrees to go all DVB-T2 and Ofcom then decides to flog off half the remaining bandwidth to the mobile phone networks.
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:51
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If all the 6 muxes at dso 2 when the 700MHz band is sold off.
Just go DVB T2 and AAC AVC like PSB 3 comm7 and comm 8 are now
And PSBs go HD only .... there is a lot more space Available.....
Including PSB wide coverage ..... if a non PSB can afford it ..
Not really "more space" but capacity for more channels.

A few months ago I knocked together http://kjs.me.uk/3rdparty/digitalspy/dso2.html which illustrates what could happen... Just 5 multiplexes would allow all current channels to fit in including some additional HD, with 6 giving room for all the PSBs* to broadcast in HD.

* By which I mean all the channels from the PSB Broadcasters - e.g. ITV 2 and not just the channels currently classed as PSB.
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:51
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The trouble is there are no major entertainment channels queuing up to join Freeview, channels like ITV2HD, E4HD, 4MoviesHD, etc.

Worst case scenario, Freeview agrees to go all DVB-T2 and Ofcom then decides to flog off half the remaining bandwidth to the mobile phone networks.
If the PSB are mandated to emit HD only ( and it saves BBC about the cost of a national radio channel)
the non PSB daughter channels may go HD only emission ...

But at the moment the mobile telcos are not wanting more spectrum than they will get,
and ofcom has said that it will preserve the spectrum for broadcasting ( shared with white space)
But at the end if the day it is a matter of public policy ...
what is more beneficial to the uk ... mobile data or broadcasting
but with just under 50% first tv and then most of the remaining 3+ Tv in each house hold beind fed from DTT , the future looks a lot more pro tv
than in the USA where only 17% use broadcasting as their means of reception
( -and the FCC seem to ignore ATSC 3.0)
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:19
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However the problem will be the cost .. the operating companies are going to charge channels £m's more to get on the better serving Multiplexs.

Then even on the more restricted Multiplex's you will see costs through the roof as such for small channels. It's your channels like Bike, Motors, Vintage, Chart Show etc that are probably next in line, IF they could afford the space - you which is debatable on the current com7 and 8 rates.
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