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I wasn't talking generally. I was specifically referring to Tony's earlier post, responding to andersonsonson:
For over a decade we have had a constant flow of horrific news reports of either individual small scale incidents or mass slaughter of Islamic terror groups attacking muslims. Currently the horror of Aleppo has been in the news for some time. In fact some posters are keen to point out the majority of victims of Islamic terror attacks are other muslims. That's why I responded to your "bafflement" as to why someone might think "some muslims want other muslims to suffer" as you stated here: Quote:
Whether you are a 'lone thinker' is irrelevant. I'm still baffled as to why someone might think that what (some) Muslims want is for other Muslims to suffer.
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Hate breeding hate.
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I would have thought a full and thorough investigation will be going on before they release any news. I would have thought that's the only correct and sensible way to go about it.
Why do people need to know everything immediately? These things take time and need to be handled correctly. |
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The BBC really are starting to grate, they are literally becoming a meme - lorry kills 9 at Christmas market. An articulated lorry has ploughed into a busy Christmas market in the heart of Berlin, killing nine people and injuring many more, police say.
Not even entertaining the notion it's a terrorist attack, blaming the lorry. Berlin State Interior Minister Andreas Geisel said it was still unclear if it had been an attack or an accident. So, do you expect the BBC to override the Berlin Minister? NO news site can state whether or not it was a terrorist attack - they can only speculate! |
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Hope they catch the creep who drove - accident or otherwise.
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Or some folk have buried their entire upper bodies in the sand.
Far too many sadly, which is why we can expect more of the same mindless horror.
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And my response addresses that fact.
For over a decade we have had a constant flow of horrific news reports of either individual small scale incidents or mass slaughter of Islamic terror groups attacking muslims. Currently the horror of Aleppo has been in the news for some time. In fact some posters are keen to point out the majority of victims of Islamic terror attacks are other muslims. That's why I responded to your "bafflement" as to why "some muslims want other muslims to suffer" as you stated here: Basically it's a load of old cobblers, and has nothing to do with conflict between Muslims in Aleppo and elsewhere. |
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I agree, now if we could just invent a time machine and go back to before a certain MP was murdered, you could post it on "that" thread too. Or, is your stance of "let's wait and see" selective?
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Like I said, I wasn't talking generally. Obviously there are Muslims attacking Muslims somewhere in the world. What Tony suggested is that Islamic terrorists are apt to gaud westerners into attacking fellow Muslims, so that they can then point the finger at westerners, saying to other Muslims, "See, this is what the West does to our brothers and sisters, come get measured for your suicide vest, or take HGV driving lessons."
Basically it's a load of old cobblers. |
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But ISIS have actually stated they want to stir up unrest and conflict between The West and the Muslims living peaceably in The West, it's one of their goals; they want the propaganda of it for the use of radicalizing, it's a recruiting tool for their faction of fanaticism. As a concept it's not "old cobblers" at all. Divide and conquer.
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What? Man on Sky banging on that if the Authorities knew that it was likely that there was to be an attack on Christmas Markets, then all Christmas Markets should be shut! By that logic, if a group of terrorists suggest that there will be on attack on, say, a football match or on a railway station, then all stadiums or stations are closed until the supposed threat is over.
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Russian Ambassador to Turkey shot dead by an off duty Policeman for 'Aleppo', I hate clicking on the news now, I literally expect to see some atrocity.
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Not at all. I'm simply saying that it's bloody ridiculous that people are expecting all the why's, wherefores and gory details within a matter of hours.
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I would have thought a full and thorough investigation will be going on before they release any news. I would have thought that's the only correct and sensible way to go about it.
Why do people need to know everything immediately? These things take time and need to be handled correctly. |
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It seems, unless I'm misunderstanding this, that the US seems to think this is terrorist related...
" ...Washington stands ready "to provide assistance" to Germany in investigating the "this horrific incident". " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-38370364 Had intelligence on this, or similar, happening perhaps? |
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No. If there is a suspected attack on a public place, then all public places all around the world should be shut down. It's the only way to be sure. : rolleyes :
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My question is, given that you said you could argue that all religious belief is a form of mental illness, how do you reconcile that with religious beliefs such as "Love thy neighbour"? There's nothing mental about that, is there?
As for me not showing any compassion, I assure you that I feel for those who have been affected. Nine people are most certainly dead and 50-odd more are injured. Regardless of whether this was deliberate it's pretty shocking. I thought that went without saying. Apparently not. I haven't once denied that this was a terrorist attack, by the way. Not once. You have obviously misunderstood. |
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I didn't say you'd denied it, I said you were trying to, you don't even seem to accept it could be one.
So is it mental to love thy neighbour, or are we going to gloss over that bit? |
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I find it a bit low people trying to point score and blame merkel
It could have been a full German national who carried out the attack As for Merkel, she is the German leader so why not? |
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Will you be speculating, insinuating and fear-mongering based on the actions of an individual this time around?
Does that answer your question? There are many dead and injured at this incident - until we know more it seems a bit disrespectful. |
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The BBC really are starting to grate, they are literally becoming a meme - lorry kills 9 at Christmas market. An articulated lorry has ploughed into a busy Christmas market in the heart of Berlin, killing nine people and injuring many more, police say.
Not even entertaining the notion it's a terrorist attack, blaming the lorry. Of course they aren't blaming the lorry - how ridiculous. The attack was made using a lorry - hence the term lorry attack in the same way that an attack using firearms is usually called a gun attack - doesn't mean that the gun was not being used by a human. This is from the same article -: Quote:
Berlin State Interior Minister Andreas Geisel said it was still unclear if it had been an attack or an accident.
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According to the DPA news agency, police believe the lorry drove 50-80 metres (54-87 yards) through the market area during the incident, which occurred at 20:14 local time (19:14 GMT). However far-fetched the idea of an accident is, it is a direct quote from the German authorities."The sequence of events points to either an accident or an attack," Berlin State Interior Minister Andreas Geisel said. Are you going to suggest that the State Interior Minister is an islam apologist? The article mentions that the passenger who is dead is a Polish national whilst the nationality of the man who has been arrested has not been revealed yet. So, pointing to the possibility that the Polish lorry driver may have been killed. The same article also includes the following: Quote:
A British eyewitness, Mike Fox, told The Associated Press at the scene that the large lorry had missed him by only about 3m as it drove into the market, tearing through tables and wooden stands. Finally they draw parallels with the attack in NICE:"It was definitely deliberate," said the tourist, visiting from Birmingham. Quote:
A series of small-scale attacks by Islamist militants alarmed Germany earlier this year.
Monday's incident evoked memories of the lorry attack on Bastille Day crowds in the French city of Nice on 14 July, when 86 people were killed. That attack was claimed by so-called Islamic State. |
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But ISIS have actually stated they want to stir up unrest and conflict between The West and the Muslims living peaceably in The West, it's one of their goals; they want the propaganda of it for the use of radicalizing, it's a recruiting tool for their faction of fanaticism. As a concept it's not "old cobblers" at all. Divide and conquer.
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Yes it could but why would a full German national hijack a polish reg truck to do it?
As for Merkel, she is the German leader so why not? |
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Merkel is the Chancellor, not the leader.
As for Merkel, she is the German Chancellor so why not. |
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It'll be interesting to see what the German police say about the identity of the driver (assuming whoever they've got, definitely is the driver)
Also, I wonder how the passenger died. |
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