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Old 19-12-2016, 23:40
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What an outrageous thing to say. We don't know who has done this yet, but because you hate Muslims, it must be Islamic extremists.

As for the idiotic rubbish you write about sex offenders, your internet service provider probably enables Muslim and non-muslim paedophiles to groom children online by providing them with the internet. It enables people to wish other people dead online, and other people to read those sentiments, research how to turn them into reality, and buy weapons to kill people with.

You fund your internet service provider, so you too are an enabler of sex crimes and murder.
Let's be realistic here though, it more than likely is.

That is a wholly factual assumption based on recent history, and will not alter, irrespective of whether you love, hate or are indifferent to muslims.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:40
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BIB - not true. Reading to the end of an article before slagging it off is usually a sensible idea.

Of course they aren't blaming the lorry - how ridiculous. The attack was made using a lorry - hence the term lorry attack in the same way that an attack using firearms is usually called a gun attack - doesn't mean that the gun was not being used by a human.
Suspected terrorist attack is the most likely and obvious headline. When someone is stabbed do they say a knife stabbed someone.. no.

I keep reading about how the BBC bias on here and couldn't see it myself, but now I am starting to, the downplaying of anything that might offend the lefty millennials.

It'll be interesting to see what the German police say about the identity of the driver (assuming whoever they've got, definitely is the driver)

Also, I wonder how the passenger died.
Last theory I read was the guy left dead in the cab was the Polish driver and his lorry was hijacked by the person who carried out the attack.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:42
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Suspected terrorist attack is the most likely and obvious headline. When someone is stabbed do they say a knife stabbed someone.. no.

I keep reading about how the BBC bias on here and couldn't see it myself, but now I am starting to, the downplaying of anything that might offend the lefty millennials.
I don't get why anybody would give two shits whether they're offended or not. Bit weird to be honest.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:45
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Suspected terrorist attack is the most likely and obvious headline. When someone is stabbed do they say a knife stabbed someone.. no.

I keep reading about how the BBC bias on here and couldn't see it myself, but now I am starting to, the downplaying of anything that might offend the lefty millennials.
Bias or remaining neutral and reporting the news in non-melodramatic, unprejudiced, factual, temperate way?
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:45
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There seem to be lots of things that ISIS has stated. If I broke wind loudly enough they'd probably claim it was them. The fact is that most terrorists are 'lone wolves' without any real understanding of what they're doing or why. Misguided fools the lot of them, in my opinion. And the only proper organized attacks, like September 11th, were a way of fighting back against the west. It's guerrilla warfare.
None of the above explains your "Bafflement" at someone thinking some Muslims wanting other Muslims to suffer as you stated here:
Whether you are a 'lone thinker' is irrelevant. I'm still baffled as to why you'd think that what (some) Muslims want is for other Muslims to suffer.
To which i responded.

If i was a pedant i would break down your above post and point out ISIS wouldn't claim your fart was them, that "most terrorists" aren't lone wolves (as we've seen in the last 15 - 20 years, or even in the last 5 years) and "the only proper organized attacks" haven't been used as a "way of fighting back against the West" "proper organized attacks" have been taking place all over Africa, The Middle East and the Far East for years and years as I previously stated. In Indonesia for example Islamic terrorist attacks were taking place in the 1980s then a bit of a gap and a resurgence from 2000 onward. Bin Laden was in Sudan for years in the 1980s before relocating to Afghanistan.

I agree they are "misguided fools", although i think that is an understatement of colossal proportions.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:48
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I think they were on alert last week for that.

Horrible events. And a shooting in Zurich as well.
Good work from police and security services then. You'd wonder why the Germans didn't do similar in the light of warnings from the Americans.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:51
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None of the above explains your "Bafflement" at someone thinking some Muslims wanting other Muslims to suffer as you stated here:


To which i responded.

If i was a pedant i would break down your above post and point out ISIS wouldn't claim your fart was them, that "most terrorists" aren't lone wolves (as we've seen in the last 15 - 20 years, or even in the last 5 years) and "the only proper organized attacks" haven't been used as a "way of fighting back against the West" "proper organized attacks" have been taking place all over Africa, The Middle East and the Far East for years and years as I previously stated. In Indonesia for example Islamic terrorist attacks were taking place in the 1980s then a bit of a gap and a resurgence from 2000 onward. Bin Laden was in Sudan for years in the 1980s before relocating to Afghanistan.

I agree they are "misguided fools", although i think that is an understatement of colossal proportions.
I'm at a loss to explain my thinking in a way that you understand. Repeatedly re-posting the same comments is just more confusing. As I've said, I'm not talking about Africa, The Middle East and the Far East. I was responding to Tony's post, which was about westerners being attacked, and then "kicking Muslim ass".
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:53
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'Driver came to Germany in February as refugee from Pakistan'
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The man suspected of driving the truck which killed nine people came from Pakistan to Germany on 16 February 2016 as a refugee, Welt (in German) reports sources as saying. But there is no independent confirmation of this claim.




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Old 19-12-2016, 23:55
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'Driver came to Germany in February as refugee from Pakistan'
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:56
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Last theory I read was the guy left dead in the cab was the Polish driver and his lorry was hijacked by the person who carried out the attack.
No surprise there.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:56
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Bias or remaining neutral and reporting the news in non-melodramatic, unprejudiced, factual, temperate way?
This is long after eye witness reports from British tourists there saying it was deliberate, the Polish company saying the lorry may have been hijacked.

I think this is a failure to report rather than a lack of bias.
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Old 19-12-2016, 23:58
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I'm not trying to deny anything. There isn't even anything to deny as yet. And of course it could be deliberate, and if it was deliberate then it could be terrorism. I'll wait and see.

So is it mental to love thy neighbour, or are we going to gloss over that bit?
I didn't say that all religious belief is a form of mental illness so why are you asking me?
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:00
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This is long after eye witness reports from British tourists there saying it was deliberate, the Polish company saying the lorry may have been hijacked.

I think this is a failure to report rather than a lack of bias.
A British tourist saying it was deliberate is irrelevant. His logic seems to be that the truck narrowly missed him and was travelling at speed, therefore it was "definitely deliberate". Where's the logic in that? Could an accident not look identical?

Proper fact checking is essential in a world where everyone is online outlining their own pet theory before the ambulances have even arrived. Good on the BBC, I say.


And since when did 'millennials' become a pejorative?
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:00
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Islamic terrorism is jihad, isn't it? I don't think that, as Tony suggested, they do this in order that other Muslims get their asses kicked though.
As long as the end result is more Muslims 'signing up' their work is done.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:02
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'Driver came to Germany in February as refugee from Pakistan'
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The man suspected of driving the truck which killed nine people came from Pakistan to Germany on 16 February 2016 as a refugee, Welt (in German) reports sources as saying. But there is no independent confirmation of this claim.
The Telegraph reported that he could be Chechen earlier.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:02
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God knows why Germany gets it in the neck so much from terrorists, when it doesn't go on Blair/Bush style Middle Eastern adventures, and its been so hospitable to Syrian refugees.
1. Number of immigrants they allow into the country compared to others.

2. Specific revenge for Middle East attacks doesn't seem to matter anymore, so much as full blown hatred towards the west.

EDIT - 3. ISIS and other terror groups couldn't give a damn about the safety of refugees.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:04
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A British tourist saying it was deliberate is irrelevant. His logic seems to be that the truck narrowly missed him and was travelling at speed, therefore it was "definitely deliberate". Where's the logic in that? Could an accident not look identical?

Proper fact checking is essential in a world where everyone is online outlining their own pet theory before the ambulances have even arrived. Good on the BBC, I say.


And since when did 'millennials' become a pejorative?
Since Brexit probably.

They could at least say a lorry was driven into a crowded market, putting the onus on the actual lorry is getting weird, it's not like this hasn't happened before in France. I listened to the eye witness, sounded pretty sure the way it was driven was deliberate.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:04
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'Driver came to Germany in February as refugee from Pakistan'
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The man suspected of driving the truck which killed nine people came from Pakistan to Germany on 16 February 2016 as a refugee, Welt (in German) reports sources as saying. But there is no independent confirmation of this claim.




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IF that is true then Merkel should stand down asap. She is partly responsible if it is someone she freely let just walk in.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:04
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'Driver came to Germany in February as refugee from Pakistan'
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The man suspected of driving the truck which killed nine people came from Pakistan to Germany on 16 February 2016 as a refugee, Welt (in German) reports sources as saying. But there is no independent confirmation of this claim.




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Again, no surprise, assuming true.

There were always going to be terrorist elements among the refugees.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:06
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This is long after eye witness reports from British tourists there saying it was deliberate, the Polish company saying the lorry may have been hijacked.

I think this is a failure to report rather than a lack of bias.
No it's not, it's a matter of ensuring fact before reporting. Stick with this and you won't go far wrong as they aren't in the business of scrabbling to be first with "breaking news" or presumptuous headline grabbers.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:06
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Again, no surprise, assuming true.

There were always going to be terrorist elements among the refugees.
How dare you say something so obvious, you racist (!)

Don't you know EVERY single refugee is a law abiding hard working tax payer?
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:08
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They could at least say a lorry was driven into a crowded market, putting the onus on the actual lorry is getting weird, it's not like this hasn't happened in France.
BiB: I think you may have grasped the wrong end of the stick. They have indeed reported the known facts. Also, tragic accidents are not uncommon either.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:09
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How dare you say something so obvious, you racist (!)

Don't you know EVERY single refugee is a law abiding hard working tax payer?
Hmmm, I do get the feeling that a lot of people are in total denial about the blindingly obvious reality here, even insisting that on a wholly theoretical level, it might just be an accident, in the same way that the 2nd plane into the twin towers might theoretically just have been a really odd co-incidence of two planes crashing into the same place at roughly the same time.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:10
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No it's not, it's a matter of ensuring fact before reporting. Stick with this and you won't go far wrong as they aren't in the business of scrabbling to be first with "breaking news" or presumptuous headline grabbers.
These are the same German Police that covered up the mass sex assaults last year.

I wouldn't trust anything they said really. Wait and see what the bloke they caught has to do with it, I guess.
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Old 20-12-2016, 00:12
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These are the same German Police that covered up the mass sex assaults last year.

I wouldn't trust anything they said really.
So if they say it was an Islamist terrorist attack committed by a refugee you won't believe them?
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