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For any posts in German there is a translate button. Just scroll mouse over the top right side of post.
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For any posts in German there is a translate button. Just scroll mouse over the top right side of post.
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Actually the old rolleyes has gone, the emoticon used was the "confused" one - hence the question marks over it's head (albeit tiny ones).
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*rollseyes*
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Firstly, my thoughts go to all the families of those killed in this incident and hope the death toll doesnt increase.
As for all the speculation, it does seem that even the Germans are confused, as the police were clearly saying it was an attack and the lorry was deliberately driven into the crowd, then the politicians got in the act and said that it could be an accident..... Hopefully this is cleared up quickly, as rampant speculation isnt good for anyone. |
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Might be the Chrome translate to English option, not Google.
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I think it was more about your bafflement. I didn't understand your bafflement either.
The whole picture that that paints is rather silly, IMO.Let's face it, no-one here knows what really makes an extremist tick, but it's fair to say that they already have an axe to grind, and necessitating the kicking of "Muslim ass" in order to gain support is completely unnecessary and self-defeating. |
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I found it baffling that Tony would believe that the aim of terrorism is to cause retaliation by the west (normal, law-abiding citizens), who would then rise up against Muslims in the west so that, "back home" more Muslims could then point the finger at the west and then enlist more jihadis.
The whole picture that that paints is rather silly, IMO.Let's face it, no-one here knows what really makes an extremist tick, but it's fair to say that they already have an axe to grind, and necessitating the kicking of "Muslim ass" in order to gain support is completely self-defeating. |
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Islamic terrorist attacks are themselves retaliation for the way western powers have conducted themselves in the Middle East for generations.
Do we all agree with that, or am I losing the plot here? |
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Islamic terrorist attacks are themselves retaliation for the way western powers have conducted themselves in the Middle East for generations.
Do we all agree with that, or am I losing the plot here? |
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Islamic extremists want a global Islamic state. They want to conquer Muslim countries and conquer non-Muslim countries. To achieve this they need the support of Muslims, and they see a clash between Muslims and non-Muslims as a way to unite Muslims behind them.
How we respond should not be determined by what they think; but by our desire for the world to be free of Islamist tyranny. |
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It isn't their sole aim but it is certainly a factor. It isn't silly at all.
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Saying that they want us to kick their asses, so that they can radicalize more people (who will then become terrorists, causing us to kick yet more Muslim ass, ad nauseum) makes no sense whatsoever.
People who feel accepted are not easily radicalised. |
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Associated Press now reporting Berlin Police have said the death toll is now 12
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Islamic extremists want a global Islamic state. They want to conquer Muslim countries and conquer non-Muslim countries. To achieve this they need the support of Muslims, and they see a clash between Muslims and non-Muslims as a way to unite Muslims behind them.
How we respond should not be determined by what they think; but by our desire for the world to be free of Islamist tyranny. |
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I'm not so sure of that. If they had a magic wand I dare say that they'd use it to that end, but in the real world nobody seriously wants or expects to take over the world, like a James Bond baddie.
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I'm not so sure of that. If they had a magic wand I dare say that they'd use it to that end, but in the real world nobody seriously wants or expects to take over the world, like a James Bond baddie.
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People who feel victimised are easily radicalised.
People who feel accepted are not easily radicalised. |
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Of course. And obviously radicalizing people is big on their agenda. I don't think they fight in order to be defeated in order to fight more only to be defeated more though. It's a circular argument.
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Religious zealotry is a form of mental illness anyway. You could argue that all religious belief is in some way or another.
I would dismiss the theory anyway. The number of people in the world who are religious believers would easily be into the billions, which would make a nonsense of the idea of them all being mentally ill. |
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It doesn't matter whether they expect it or how realistic their aims are. What matters is that they are prepared to kill thousands of people - Muslim and non-Muslim - in support of their aims. They are more prepared to fight their enemies than their enemies are to fight them and that is why this war is still going on over 15 years after 9/11.
If coalition forces left the Middle East completely and just let them get on with it, and we continued to buy oil off them at a fair price, do you think they'd still want to "take over the world"? |
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I'm not so sure of that. If they had a magic wand I dare say that they'd use it to that end, but in the real world nobody seriously wants or expects to take over the world, like a James Bond baddie.
Why are they persecuted, forced to convert? Bethlehem 1946 Christians were 60%, now 2% Egypt? Churches targeted in Cairo. Worshippers at Coptic Chapel killed 12th December Syria? Iraq? To mention a few |
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Radicalising people is what that poster was on about. That's what this pages long bafflement has been about!
There's only you, blueblade and a couple of others who have actually conducted a reasoned debate without any assumptions about my character. Honestly, once people are upset woe-betide anyone who dares to consider things dispassionately. DS does my ****ing head in at times.
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Why has Christianity numbers fallen so drastically in recent years in the Middle East?
Why are they persecuted, forced to convert? Bethlehem 1946 Christians were 60%, now 2% Egypt? Syria? Iraq? To mention a few |
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