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A truck has ploughed into a Christmas market in Berlin.
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AnotherPOV
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sport1:
“You have no idea who the victims are. Don't try to speak for them.”

They were Germans, and it doesn't matter if they were a few Muslims among the victims, the person who murdered them was a Islamist.
NeverEnough
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by mal2pool:
“so lets just do nothing then”

I believe the preffered method of response from the multiculturalists is to hold a candlelight vigil and to call anyone who is in favour of stronger control over immigration and asylum racist.

OK this didn't work the first dozen times, but this time......
NeverEnough
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by MC_Satan:
“Another awful attack.
My immediate thought was another Harry Clark/Glasgow bin lorry type accident. I suppose because that happened around the same time and I still find it hard to believe someone would drive a lorry into a crowd. That thought didn't last long.
Tragic.”

Strange. Cos my first thought was another Nice.....
blueblade
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“My, what an unusual stance for someone over 50. Not.”

Originally Posted by Straker:
“Their profile's public so it's perfectly acceptable to comment on it and it's a seemingly common attitude with the older generation - Round all immigrants up and put "them" somewhere else.

It seems some are emboldened by Brexit to publicly air these xenophobic views as if we should all go along with it without comment. What this kind of attitude has to do with one, as yet unexplained, maniac is hard to fathom. Using this appalling incident as an excuse to say "Round 'em up and deport 'em all" is frankly, disgraceful.

Who else in history was a big fan of mass deportation and exclusion?

Smilies appropriate for this thread are they?”

It's not acceptable at all, it's ageist. Furthermore it's utter bollocks as you seem to be implying that nobody in a younger age bracket would hold the same opinion.

You don't hold either an intellectual or moral "correct thinking" monopoly, on account of your age or anything else. Others have a right to their opinion without their age being fingered as a determinant of their views.
jjwales
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Kevin Smear:
“I don't know what 'dial down' means. It sounds suspiciously like an Americanism and/or management guff.

And as we're handing out festive tips, here's one for you:
Stop telling people how they should and shouldn't post, there's a good chap. You don't make the rules. Ok? ”

The forum management does make the rules though, e.g.
2.17 - Offensive Material
You must not post messages that are vulgar, crude, sexist, racist, homophobic or otherwise offensive. We will not tolerate offensive, immature or unconstructive postings.
Mark_Jones9
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“Two loners not part of any united movement/religion or cause can in no way be compared to hundreds/thousands of acts or incidents in the cause of one religion.”

We at war with ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc. Who use terrorism as a means of attack and trying to trigger social unrest and war. To blame Islam is to do exactly what ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc want.
Pumping Iron
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by psy7ch:
“Its not what their religion teaches them to do though. Its a distortion by a Islamist cult. The way to defeat this isn't to create a false narrative that actually backs the Islamist reading of scripture. IS will ultimately wither and die when it doesn't get recruits to its cause. Muddying the waters between mainstream Islam and daesh wont help this.”

Of course not, but again it's the reason the Islamists use (not just IS) to cause terror or have extremely hard-line attitudes. If IS dies, there will still be those hardliners about. This doesn't mean that the majority of Muslims think the same way though. So I'm not sure why pointing out why Islamists think the way they do, muddies the water for the whole of Islam. Most Muslims will feel the same way about Islamists.
LauraLS
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“When I said, "It all makes perfect sense when you think about it. " I was being sarcastic. No, like almost everybody that has ever lived they do not actually wish to be wiped from the face of the Earth, and they don't want to be persecuted more. They actually want to be persecuted less, I reckon.”

Oh wow, where have you been for the last two years? IS want to provoke trouble between Muslims and non-Muslims living in the west. The idea is that attacks are carried out against civilians-IS claim responsibility-people react against Muslims-Muslims start to feel backed into a corner- more Muslims "take up arms" against non-Muslims.

Also IS don't care too much about the welfare of ordinary Muslims living in the west, they don't think that should be living in the land of kuffar at all. If there is a backlash against Muslims in the west it suits their purpose and propaganda perfectly.

I believe there may also be a prophecy that there will be a war between Muslims and a number of different groups before Judgement day and they wish to speed this process up. I can't remember the exact details at this moment.
bluewomble88
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by psy7ch:
“Which in turn is music to the ears of IS who want a war. Its how they recruit.”

Great, so let's do nothing as usual and wait for yet another attack to ruin so many lives. Or we could do something radical ourselves.
Sport1
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by AnotherPOV:
“They were Germans, and it doesn't matter if they were a few Muslims among the victims, the person who murdered them was a Islamist.”

And that's all that matters to you, so drop the faux-concern about victims.
NeverEnough
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by GrimmGhost:
“What colour is the sky in your reality?”

Red.
jjwales
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by MinnieMinz:
“RIP those killed first and foremost. Secondly, it's a copycat attack, typical of ISIS. Thirdly, lone cell or not, how many more excuses are we going to make when these things happen?”

I've never heard of anyone (other than IS) making "excuses" for this kind of behaviour.

Quote:
“Unfortunately I believe for some people/posters/media commentators until the killings effect them, then they will continue to shout and belittle anyone who shows concerns about immigrants behaving this way, as racism.”

I think the problem only arises when all immigrants get tarred with the same brush.
codeblue
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by James2001:
“This is Digitalspy, of course it's the first thing people think about.

And you'll be able to smell the disapointment in the air if it isn't a Muslim.”

And yet they were 100% correct.
jesaya
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“Great, so let's do nothing as usual and wait for yet another attack to ruin so many lives. Or we could do something radical ourselves.”

What would you suggest this radical thing should be though? How do we stop it?
jjwales
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“Great, so let's do nothing as usual and wait for yet another attack to ruin so many lives. Or we could do something radical ourselves.”

Why would you assume we're doing nothing? And what kind of radical solution do you have in mind?
Super_Steve
20-12-2016
It comes as no surprise to anyone that Farage is wetting his knickers at this as it gives him the opportunity to spew some of his twisted hateful bile.

He's already had a dig at Jo Cox'a windower - the vindictive piece of pondlife.
bluewomble88
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Why would you assume we're doing nothing? And what kind of radical solution do you have in mind?”

What are we doing continentally to stop terrorist attacks? Inviting the entire third-world in to set up shop? Allowing the liberal left to shout us down as racist whilst hoping we all die of old age?

Whatever we are doing, it simply isn't enough by half.
bluewomble88
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Super_Steve:
“It comes as no surprise to anyone that Farage is wetting his knickers at this as it gives him the opportunity to spew some of his twisted hateful bile.

He's already had a dig at Jo Cox'a windower - the vindictive piece of pondlife.”

What's a windower?
Ironwithin
20-12-2016
Mamma Merkel letting the wolves in with the sheep to kill her own children. All so she could do some virtue signalling, but now with blood on her hands.
Super_Steve
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“What's a windower?”

Clearly a typo
Sport1
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“What are we doing continentally to stop terrorist attacks? Inviting the entire third-world in to set up shop? Allowing the liberal left to shout us down as racist whilst hoping we all die of old age?

Whatever we are doing, it simply isn't enough by half.”

How exactly do we stop the random actions of a handful of people?
Dotheboyshall
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“Great, so let's do nothing as usual and wait for yet another attack to ruin so many lives. Or we could do something radical ourselves.”

So let's create a bigger swamp rather than draining the existing one
blueblade
20-12-2016
The Polish man found dead in the truck, was apparently shot dead. BBC News just now.

ETA: I think the suspect was also named, but Joanna Gosling said it so quick, I didn't quite catch it. Navid or Rashid something, I think.
B-29
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Sport1:
“How exactly do we stop the random actions of a handful of people?”

Easy in this case, don't let them in!
Susie_Smith
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by LauraLS:
“Oh wow, where have you been for the last two years? IS want to provoke trouble between Muslims and non-Muslims living in the west. The idea is that attacks are carried out against civilians-IS claim responsibility-people react against Muslims-Muslims start to feel backed into a corner- more Muslims "take up arms" against non-Muslims.

Also IS don't care too much about the welfare of ordinary Muslims living in the west, they don't think that should be living in the land of kuffar at all. If there is a backlash against Muslims in the west it suits their purpose and propaganda perfectly.

I believe there may also be a prophecy that there will be a war between Muslims and a number of different groups before Judgement day and they wish to speed this process up. I can't remember the exact details at this moment.”

Yes indeed. They expect Muslims in the West to use their position to kill non-believers.

The trouble is, the Muslim communities in Europe (and the USA) need to be closely monitored. They are inward-looking and all you need is extremist imams to brainwash enough people in their insular communities and the damage is done. Add to that some poverty and resentment and you have one or more mass murderers on your hands.
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