Originally Posted by psy7ch:
“Which in turn is music to the ears of IS who want a war. Its how they recruit.”
“Which in turn is music to the ears of IS who want a war. Its how they recruit.”
Yes, I fear we live in dangerous times.
A truck has ploughed into a Christmas market in Berlin.
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Originally Posted by Straker:
“Their profile's public so it's perfectly acceptable to comment on it and it's a seemingly common attitude with the older generation - Round all immigrants up and put "them" somewhere else.
It seems some are emboldened by Brexit to publicly air these xenophobic views as if we should all go along with it without comment. What this kind of attitude has to do with one, as yet unexplained, maniac is hard to fathom. Using this appalling incident as an excuse to say "Round 'em up and deport 'em all" is frankly, disgraceful.
Who else in history was a big fan of mass deportation and exclusion?
Smilies appropriate for this thread are they?”
“Their profile's public so it's perfectly acceptable to comment on it and it's a seemingly common attitude with the older generation - Round all immigrants up and put "them" somewhere else.
It seems some are emboldened by Brexit to publicly air these xenophobic views as if we should all go along with it without comment. What this kind of attitude has to do with one, as yet unexplained, maniac is hard to fathom. Using this appalling incident as an excuse to say "Round 'em up and deport 'em all" is frankly, disgraceful.
Who else in history was a big fan of mass deportation and exclusion?
Smilies appropriate for this thread are they?”
Oh give over..I didn't realise laughing at a comment which was nothing to do with the topic wasn't allowed.
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“I've never heard of anyone (other than IS) making "excuses" for this kind of behaviour.
I think the problem only arises when all immigrants get tarred with the same brush.”
“I've never heard of anyone (other than IS) making "excuses" for this kind of behaviour.
I think the problem only arises when all immigrants get tarred with the same brush.”
I suggest you try listening or reading more then. I don't expect you to however, as this is your "go to stance" when it comes to terrorism debates. I'm really not interested in your usual platitudes.
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“yes, i was referring to me when i said you were getting laughed at and then sorcha posted a smilie indicating that she may also be laughing at you.
i hope that`s cleared up your confusion.”
“yes, i was referring to me when i said you were getting laughed at and then sorcha posted a smilie indicating that she may also be laughing at you.
i hope that`s cleared up your confusion.”
I laughed at the comment you made about age appropriateess required to make certain comments. I thought it was funny.
However apparently I'm laughing at the victims of a terror attack.
Originally Posted by Susie_Smith:
“Yes indeed. They expect Muslims in the West to use their position to kill non-believers.
The trouble is, the Muslim communities in Europe (and the USA) need to be closely monitored. They are inward-looking and all you need is extremist imams to brainwash enough people in their insular communities and the damage is done. Add to that some poverty and resentment and you have one or more mass murderers on your hands.”
“Yes indeed. They expect Muslims in the West to use their position to kill non-believers.
The trouble is, the Muslim communities in Europe (and the USA) need to be closely monitored. They are inward-looking and all you need is extremist imams to brainwash enough people in their insular communities and the damage is done. Add to that some poverty and resentment and you have one or more mass murderers on your hands.”
Muslim communities in the West need to condemn and continue to condemn vigorously these attacks and denounce those who organise and carry them out
They are all too strangely quiet
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“And yet they were 100% correct.”
“And yet they were 100% correct.”
If you blame everything on Muslims eventually you'll be right.
Scottish bin lorry accident - MUSLIMS!!!!, oh it's not the authorities are lying to us or just go silent.
Bath lorry accident - MUSLIMS!!!!, of its not, it all goes quiet.
Pilot crashes a passenger jet - MUSLIMS!!!!!! Why won't the authorities tell us the pilots name and relgion eh? Oh a white guy, all goes quiet.
Shooting in Norway - MUSLIMS!!!!, oh it's not, lots of people never post on the subject again.
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“I laughed at the comment you made about age appropriateess required to make certain comments. I thought it was funny.
However apparently I'm laughing at the victims of a terror attack.”
“I laughed at the comment you made about age appropriateess required to make certain comments. I thought it was funny.
However apparently I'm laughing at the victims of a terror attack.”
ignore it sorcha,
he`s just sore because he got his big ego ripped out, it`s clear to everyone else what you were laughing at, given you quoted it.
Originally Posted by occy:
“London has the New Years parade and probably other cities do the same in a few weeks. Complete lock down?”
“London has the New Years parade and probably other cities do the same in a few weeks. Complete lock down?”
What a complete overreaction. If London didn't close down during WWII, the IRA bombings or the tube bombings then why we would they close down now?
And if you wanted to mow down a crowd in London there are plenty of places to do it any day of the year.
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“ignore it sorcha, he`s just sore because he got ripped out, it`s clear to everyone else what you were laughing at given you quoted it.”
“ignore it sorcha,
he`s just sore because he got ripped out, it`s clear to everyone else what you were laughing at given you quoted it.”
Thanks Annette
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“Muslim communities in the West need to condemn and continue to condemn vigorously these attacks and denounce those who organise and carry them out
They are all too strangely quiet”
“Muslim communities in the West need to condemn and continue to condemn vigorously these attacks and denounce those who organise and carry them out
They are all too strangely quiet”
Strange, I don't remember you condeming a recent Eta shooting.
You were stangely all too quiet...
Originally Posted by Sport1:
“How exactly do we stop the random actions of a handful of people?”
“How exactly do we stop the random actions of a handful of people?”
First of all, don't let them in. That part is incredibly simple. Merkel should be tried for crimes against her own people for what she's done.
Secondly, a handful of people? That's a rather disgusting statement to make - a handful of people destroyed the lives of hundreds of people in Paris last year. Before and after that event, there have been plenty more tragedies that has ruined communities. When you say it's only a handful of people, you are describing them as a thorn in the side and not the cancerous, evil collective they are.
Originally Posted by Aristaeus:
“The 1930's and '40's.”
“The 1930's and '40's.”
This video with a speech by a Lebanese Christian woman whose family left Beirut for the US after they were bombed out of their home might be worth a watch. To use your 1940s analogy most Germans are lovely and peaceful people but it didn't stop 43 per cent of them back then voting for the Nazis and starting a world war which killed 60 million people. The extremists drove the agenda and the peaceful majority of Germans were powerless to stop it.
But that's perhaps where we should leave 1940s comparators.
https://youtu.be/Ry3NzkAOo3s
Originally Posted by crystallad:
“When did far right fascists mass murder a load of people on a regur bassis?”
“When did far right fascists mass murder a load of people on a regur bassis?”
Europe
2011 Norway Oslo bombings and Utøya shooting (76 killed more than 90 injured)
2011 Italy Florence shooting (2 killed, 3 injured)
2000-2006 Germany Bosphorus serial murders
2004 Germany Cologne bombing (22 injured)
1999 UK London bombings (3 killed more than 100 injured)
1988 Italy Bologna bombings (85 killed 180 injured)
1988 France bombings of Sonacotra hostels in Cagnes-sur-Mer and Cannes (1 killed 16 injured)
USA
2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting (3 killed)
2015 Charleston church shooting (9 killed)
2014 ambush attack on Las Vegas police officers (5 killed)
2014 Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting in Kansas (3 killed)
2014 Pennsylvania State Police barracks attack in Blooming Grove, Pennsylvania (1 killed), 2012 tri-state killing spree by white supremacists, David Pedersen and Holly Grigsby (4 killed)
2012 ambush of St. John the Baptist Parish, Louisiana police (2 killed)
2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting (6 killed)
2011 FEAR group attacks (3 killed)
2010 Carlisle, Pennsylvania (1 killed)
2010 suicide attack by airplane in Austin, Texas (1 killed)
2009 shooting of Pittsburgh police officers (3 killed)
2009 United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting (1 killed)
2009 assassination of George Tiller (1 killed)
2009 murders of Raul and Brisenia Flores in Pima County, Arizona (2 killed)
2009 murders in Brockton, Massachusetts (2 killed)
2008 Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting (2 killed)
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“Muslim communities in the West need to condemn and continue to condemn vigorously these attacks and denounce those who organise and carry them out
They are all too strangely quiet”
“Muslim communities in the West need to condemn and continue to condemn vigorously these attacks and denounce those who organise and carry them out
They are all too strangely quiet”
These calls remind my of the way Middle Eastern countries trot out their compliant / frightened Jewish, Coptic etc leaders to show how tolerant they are and obedient to the majority. There's something very Ottoman, Balkanish about that thinking and it will lead the same way if pursued. Separate communities with differing leadership structures, and unresolved problems rather than a multi-ethnic society.
Muslims are not responsible for the actions of other muslims unless they encourage it, or support it. And religious community leaders don't represent them any more than the Archbishop of Westminister represents British Catholics or the Archbishop of Canterbury for those who go to church there.
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“First of all, don't let them in. That part is incredibly simple. Merkel should be tried for crimes against her own people for what she's done.
Secondly, a handful of people? That's a rather disgusting statement to make - a handful of people destroyed the lives of hundreds of people in Paris last year. Before and after that event, there have been plenty more tragedies that has ruined communities. When you say it's only a handful of people, you are describing them as a thorn in the side and not the cancerous, evil collective they are.”
“First of all, don't let them in. That part is incredibly simple. Merkel should be tried for crimes against her own people for what she's done.
Secondly, a handful of people? That's a rather disgusting statement to make - a handful of people destroyed the lives of hundreds of people in Paris last year. Before and after that event, there have been plenty more tragedies that has ruined communities. When you say it's only a handful of people, you are describing them as a thorn in the side and not the cancerous, evil collective they are.”
Disgusting? It's a handful, no matter what spin you want to put on it. It takes incredibly few people to carry out an atrocity these days. That's what makes it difficult to stop, it's part of the plan.
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“Strange. Cos my first thought was another Nice.....”
“Strange. Cos my first thought was another Nice.....”
I suppose because I was told 'A lorry has crashed into a xmas market in Berlin' by someone at work. I had friends in Glasgow who were narrowly missed in the bin lorry crash. As I say that didn't last long when I read about it.
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“What are we doing continentally to stop terrorist attacks? Inviting the entire third-world in to set up shop? Allowing the liberal left to shout us down as racist whilst hoping we all die of old age?
Whatever we are doing, it simply isn't enough by half.”
“What are we doing continentally to stop terrorist attacks? Inviting the entire third-world in to set up shop? Allowing the liberal left to shout us down as racist whilst hoping we all die of old age?
Whatever we are doing, it simply isn't enough by half.”
What would you do though? No-one wants these attacks to take place, but what radical steps do you think might make a difference?
Originally Posted by bluewomble88:
“First of all, don't let them in. That part is incredibly simple. Merkel should be tried for crimes against her own people for what she's done.
Secondly, a handful of people? That's a rather disgusting statement to make - a handful of people destroyed the lives of hundreds of people in Paris last year. Before and after that event, there have been plenty more tragedies that has ruined communities. When you say it's only a handful of people, you are describing them as a thorn in the side and not the cancerous, evil collective they are.”
“First of all, don't let them in. That part is incredibly simple. Merkel should be tried for crimes against her own people for what she's done.
Secondly, a handful of people? That's a rather disgusting statement to make - a handful of people destroyed the lives of hundreds of people in Paris last year. Before and after that event, there have been plenty more tragedies that has ruined communities. When you say it's only a handful of people, you are describing them as a thorn in the side and not the cancerous, evil collective they are.”
Not letting them in isn't going to change the fact that millions of migrants are already here and that many attacks have been perpetrated (or planned and stopped) by people who have lived in Europe for years, or are even 2nd/3rd generation. Not letting them in is also difficult, because a determined terrorist could get to Europe so many different ways, both legitimate and not.
Originally Posted by Super_Steve:
“It comes as no surprise to anyone that Farage is wetting his knickers at this as it gives him the opportunity to spew some of his twisted hateful bile.
He's already had a dig at Jo Cox'a windower - the vindictive piece of pondlife.”
“It comes as no surprise to anyone that Farage is wetting his knickers at this as it gives him the opportunity to spew some of his twisted hateful bile.
He's already had a dig at Jo Cox'a windower - the vindictive piece of pondlife.”
Yet another terrorist attack, resulting in innocent deaths in the name of one particular religion and you come on here to have a go at Farage??
The mind boggles, it really does.
The sad truth is nothing will be done , we will still hear the same old rubbish.
The damage is now on our doorstep and yet we still hear the same old excuses sprouted time and time again.
The damage is now on our doorstep and yet we still hear the same old excuses sprouted time and time again.
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“Two loners not part of any united movement/religion or cause can in no way be compared to hundreds/thousands of acts or incidents in the cause of one religion.”
“Two loners not part of any united movement/religion or cause can in no way be compared to hundreds/thousands of acts or incidents in the cause of one religion.”
I would agree with you that the atrocities delivered in the name of Allah are far more numerous and often more vicious than those of the Far Right. The one thing that is similar is the lone operative aspect of these attacks which also seems to be the case in Germany. Some of these atrocities have been perpetrated by loners who have been radicalised at a distance.
Originally Posted by jesaya:
“Not letting them in isn't going to change the fact that millions of migrants are already here and that many attacks have been perpetrated (or planned and stopped) by people who have lived in Europe for years, or are even 2nd/3rd generation. Not letting them in is also difficult, because a determined terrorist could get to Europe so many different ways, both legitimate and not.”
“Not letting them in isn't going to change the fact that millions of migrants are already here and that many attacks have been perpetrated (or planned and stopped) by people who have lived in Europe for years, or are even 2nd/3rd generation. Not letting them in is also difficult, because a determined terrorist could get to Europe so many different ways, both legitimate and not.”
Ok so let's carry on trying to thwart attacks instead of taking difficult, uncomfortable decisions to make sure we don't need armed police at every social gathering.
Originally Posted by Sport1:
“Disgusting? It's a handful, no matter what spin you want to put on it. It takes incredibly few people to carry out an atrocity these days. That's what makes it difficult to stop, it's part of the plan.”
“Disgusting? It's a handful, no matter what spin you want to put on it. It takes incredibly few people to carry out an atrocity these days. That's what makes it difficult to stop, it's part of the plan.”
You haven't even acknowledged that all of the terrorist attacks from 9/11 onwards amount to far more than a handful !
Originally Posted by Mark_Jones9:
“Europe
2011 Norway Oslo bombings and Utøya shooting (76 killed more than 90 injured)
2011 Italy Florence shooting (2 killed, 3 injured)
2000-2006 Germany Bosphorus serial murders
2004 Germany Cologne bombing (22 injured)
1999 UK London bombings (3 killed more than 100 injured)
1988 Italy Bologna bombings (85 killed 180 injured)
1988 France bombings of Sonacotra hostels in Cagnes-sur-Mer and Cannes (1 killed 16 injured)
)”
“Europe
2011 Norway Oslo bombings and Utøya shooting (76 killed more than 90 injured)
2011 Italy Florence shooting (2 killed, 3 injured)
2000-2006 Germany Bosphorus serial murders
2004 Germany Cologne bombing (22 injured)
1999 UK London bombings (3 killed more than 100 injured)
1988 Italy Bologna bombings (85 killed 180 injured)
1988 France bombings of Sonacotra hostels in Cagnes-sur-Mer and Cannes (1 killed 16 injured)
)”
So you pick seven incidents in Europe over 28 years.
Wikipedia has a section which lists all the apparent terrorist attacks across the entire world each month. Here is the list of the 75 incidents so far in December 2016 - yes 75 in 20 days - and there are still 11 days to go. Do you notice what over 90 per cent of the incidents have in common - and it's pretty much the same every month. To say there is not an issue with radicalism is just ignoring the data.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._December_2016
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“The sad truth is nothing will be done , we will still hear the same old rubbish.
The damage is now on our doorstep and yet we still hear the same old excuses sprouted time and time again.”
“The sad truth is nothing will be done , we will still hear the same old rubbish.
The damage is now on our doorstep and yet we still hear the same old excuses sprouted time and time again.”
Yep, put a a German flag on your Facebook profile and update your status with 'So sad.' then sit back and wait for the next attack to occur. Job done.
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