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Blimey. The police should hire him. What clear thinking and bravery in what must have been shocking surroundings.
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What happened in Berlin yesterday was an Islamist terrorist attack. The Islamic extremist who carried out and any Islamist group that instructed him are entirely to blame.
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Indeed, that took a cool head. Hopefully they've got the right guy, and he didn't disappear into the night, amongst the crowds. Presumably they will be doing DNA tests on him and the residue in the vehicle.
Der Mann soll beobachtet haben, wie sich der Todesfahrer aus dem Staub machen wollte. Er nahm die Verfolgung auf, rannte mit Sicherheitsabstand hinterher und berichtete der Notrufzentrale ununterbrochen über sein Handy, wo er und der Flüchtende sich befanden. – Quelle: http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/25343398 ©2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ding-spot.html |
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Maybe ask the open borders/all refugees welcome supporters. I'm sure they have a plan.
In hindsight it would have been better to only accept refugees coming from offical channels, but that idea was branded heartless and far right 12 Months ago. The ongoing and very very real problem the Germans have got, is determining who the minority among those mostly genuine refugees, is a terrorist, sleeper, or likely to be radicalised in the future. Pretty much impossible on a practical level. |
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The witness had him in sight all the time , never took his eyes off him and kept the police informed on his mobile phone ( without a break ) of his appearance and exact position /.
Der Mann soll beobachtet haben, wie sich der Todesfahrer aus dem Staub machen wollte. Er nahm die Verfolgung auf, rannte mit Sicherheitsabstand hinterher und berichtete der Notrufzentrale ununterbrochen über sein Handy, wo er und der Flüchtende sich befanden. – Quelle: http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/25343398 ©2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ding-spot.html |
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If you want to play extremist top trumps. There have been 2400 Islamic terror attacks spread over 59 Countries this year alone.
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There is a huge problem within Islam, there is no denying that. But by sanctioning millions, the few will win.
It was spread throughout much of the world originally by the sword - including an empire that stretched into much of Europe. And a minority are seeking to continue that today. People assumed it was the Nazis that were the first people to make Jews walk around in public wearing a yellow - they actually copied that idea from practices in the Middle East a century ago. The English word slave is derived from Slav a reflecting the slavery of many Eastern Europeans by the Ottoman Empire. There are only 11 nations in the world where being gay makes you liable to the death penalty - although in Nigeria this doesn't apply in the Christian regions - all subject to Sharia law. Yes the vast vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and kind people. But when the extremists take over it can have very dangerous consequences. Bad things have also been done in the name of Christianity over the centuries but we have generally moved on. |
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Ok, and there's 1bn Muslims, so that's less than 0.0000025% of the Muslim population committing terrorist acts. I would say a much higher percentage of the Irish population were members of the IRA in the 70's, yet we didn't say there was a huge problem with Catholic terrorism or demand Muslims were barred from emigrating to the UK.
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What happened in Berlin yesterday was an Islamist terrorist attack. The Islamic extremist who carried out and any Islamist group that instructed him are entirely to blame.
We cannot keep pretending that the recklessly porous state of Europe's borders, willfully instituted by our governments and politicians, are not contributing to these tragedies. |
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That's 46 people over a long time, Muslims kill more in one attack!
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The 1930's and '40's.
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Yes I read that, but it doesn't preclude an error being made. Hopefully DNA tests will confirm eitherway.
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Muslim communities in the West need to condemn and continue to condemn vigorously these attacks and denounce those who organise and carry them out
They are all too strangely quiet Not that this idea that silence would be implicit support is at all valid in the first place anyway. https://www.bustle.com/articles/1494...nounced-terror |
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Just reported on the Daily Politics that the German polis have arrested the wrong man.
Apparently the guy in custody wasn't the driver. |
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Muslim communities in the West need to condemn and continue to condemn vigorously these attacks and denounce those who organise and carry them out
They are all too strangely quiet people also forget we have serving forces personnel who are muslim. |
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Just reported on the Daily Politics that the German polis have arrested the wrong man.
Apparently the guy in custody wasn't the driver. |
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Yes I read that, but it doesn't preclude an error being made. Hopefully DNA tests will confirm eitherway.
More on the suspect arrested: Naved B, 23, "speaks Balochi, one of five regional languages spoken in Pakistan. De Maizière ( interior minister,) said there had been problems questioning him in the past because no translator could be found who spoke Balochi." ( for petty crimes arrests in the past) De Maizière said he was not giving much attention to the Isis message claiming responsibility for the attack. He confirmed reports that the arrested man had applied for asylum but appn wasn't completed to date. He arrived in Germany on 31 December 2015 and in Berlin since February. Die Welt newspaper is reporting that he had a temporary residence permit since June 2016. Lived in the hangar at the disused Tempelhof airport in southern Berlin, 4 others questioned there but no arrests made. The legit Polish driver was shot with a pistol. they haven't been able to find that yet. Polish driver has been formally identified and apparently put up quite a fight before being shot. ETA- only seems to be De Welt & DMail quoting source "We have the wrong man" as per previously linked post ^ http://news.sky.com/story/berlin-chr...ttack-10702930 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ople-dead.html Quote:
Detectives interrogating suspect Naved B, 23, have said he has no blood on his clothes, no injuries and denies hijacking a a 25-tonne lorry and using it to murder 12 people and injure 48 more last night. If the Polish driver is so badly beaten, it surely must be a quick job to test the DNA on the suspects hands?
A security services source, a senior police chief, told de Welt newspaper: 'We have the wrong man. So we have a new situation. The true perpetrator is still armed, at large and can cause further damage.' |
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Well it was insanity to just accept, without meaningful check, near enough a million people. It was manifestly obvious to anyone with half a brain that there'd be terrorist cells amongst them.
The ongoing and very very real problem the Germans have got, is determining who the minority among those mostly genuine refugees, is a terrorist, sleeper, or likely to be radicalised in the future. Pretty much impossible on a practical level. I said at the time that Merkel would have plenty of blood on her hands when she took that decision - not sure if her motivation was purely her being humane or political but you would have thought her closest advisers were telling her that she was signing her own political death warrant at the time ... |
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Just reported on the Daily Politics that the German polis have arrested the wrong man.
Apparently the guy in custody wasn't the driver. |
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Time to send Merkel's guests home.
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They do, but mainstream media aren't particularly interested in focusing on it.
Not that this idea that silence would be implicit support is at all valid in the first place anyway. https://www.bustle.com/articles/1494...nounced-terror |
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If you want to play extremist top trumps. There have been 2400 Islamic terror attacks spread over 59 Countries this year alone.
It counts pretty much any killing by any Muslim including in warzones and people killed in family disputes, and also has some erroneous entries. We are by the way not playing terrorism top trumps. I am merely disagreeing with the premise that far right terrorism is not a problem. That Jihadist terrorism is the form of terrorism currently causing mass casualties in the EU is not disputed. For example. The latest 2016 Eurpol report on terrorism in the EU which covers terrorist attacks made in 2015. Jihadist terrorism caused 150 fatalities in the EU (the Paris attacks account for 148) All other terrorism combined caused 3 fatalities in the EU. But that other forms of terrorism also exist and if not for security services and police would succeed in killing more people than they currently do is also reality. For example. The latest 2016 Eurpol report on terrorism in the EU which covers terrorist attacks made in 2015. Terrorist attacks in the EU including successful, failed and foiled attacks 65 Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks 17 Jihadist terrorist attacks (15 of the attacks relate to the Paris attacks) 13 Left-wing and anarchist attacks 9 Right-wing terrorist attacks |
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Well somehow a mistake does seem to have been made http://news.sky.com/story/berlin-chr...ttack-10702930
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