Indeed, that took a cool head. Hopefully they've got the right guy, and he didn't disappear into the night, amongst the crowds. Presumably they will be doing DNA tests on him and the residue in the vehicle.

What happened in Berlin yesterday was an Islamist terrorist attack. The Islamic extremist who carried out and any Islamist group that instructed him are entirely to blame.

The witness had him in sight all the time , never took his eyes off him and kept the police informed on his mobile phone ( without a break ) of his appearance and exact position /.



Der Mann soll beobachtet haben, wie sich der Todesfahrer aus dem Staub machen wollte. Er nahm die Verfolgung auf, rannte mit Sicherheitsabstand hinterher und berichtete der Notrufzentrale ununterbrochen über sein Handy, wo er und der Flüchtende sich befanden. – Quelle: http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/25343398 ©2016


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ding-spot.html

Well it was insanity to just accept, without meaningful check, near enough a million people. It was manifestly obvious to anyone with half a brain that there'd be terrorist cells amongst them.

The ongoing and very very real problem the Germans have got, is determining who the minority among those mostly genuine refugees, is a terrorist, sleeper, or likely to be radicalised in the future. Pretty much impossible on a practical level.

Yes I read that, but it doesn't preclude an error being made. Hopefully DNA tests will confirm eitherway.

Ok, and there's 1bn Muslims, so that's less than 0.0000025% of the Muslim population committing terrorist acts. I would say a much higher percentage of the Irish population were members of the IRA in the 70's, yet we didn't say there was a huge problem with Catholic terrorism or demand Muslims were barred from emigrating to the UK.

Islam is by its nature an expansionist religion that seeks converts. That makes it subtly different from say Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism etc.

It was spread throughout much of the world originally by the sword - including an empire that stretched into much of Europe. And a minority are seeking to continue that today. People assumed it was the Nazis that were the first people to make Jews walk around in public wearing a yellow - they actually copied that idea from practices in the Middle East a century ago. The English word slave is derived from Slav a reflecting the slavery of many Eastern Europeans by the Ottoman Empire.

There are only 11 nations in the world where being gay makes you liable to the death penalty - although in Nigeria this doesn't apply in the Christian regions - all subject to Sharia law.

Yes the vast vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and kind people. But when the extremists take over it can have very dangerous consequences.

Bad things have also been done in the name of Christianity over the centuries but we have generally moved on.

The IRA was more of a national rather than international issue, so not really comparable scale-wise to global Islamism today. I don't think there were tens/hundreds of thousands of Catholics fighting for an equivalent 'Catholic caliphate'.

German MP quits AfD after comparing party's refugee policy to Nazi plans to deport Jews

The failings of those that allowed this man to enter Germany, let alone Europe, in order to commit this act need to be recognised as contributory.

We cannot keep pretending that the recklessly porous state of Europe's borders, willfully instituted by our governments and politicians, are not contributing to these tragedies.

Your maths isnt very good.

70 years ago!! and who sorted it out/resolved it? The West. So tell me when is Islam going to sort it's own house out?

Well somehow a mistake does seem to have been made http://news.sky.com/story/berlin-chr...ttack-10702930

They do, but mainstream media aren't particularly interested in focusing on it.

Not that this idea that silence would be implicit support is at all valid in the first place anyway.


https://www.bustle.com/articles/1494...nounced-terror

Just reported on the Daily Politics that the German polis have arrested the wrong man.
Apparently the guy in custody wasn't the driver.

no they aren`t, it`s just the media don`t pick it up.

people also forget we have serving forces personnel who are muslim.

That follows, if I recall earlier reports they arrested a man "acting suspiciously" rather than dragging one out of the truck.

Yes caveats needed cause "The chief of police in Berlin has revealed that it is not absolutely clear whether the person in police custody is the driver involved" at his press conference a few minutes ago ( Guardian.) Plus the suspect has denied it.

More on the suspect arrested:
Naved B, 23, "speaks Balochi, one of five regional languages spoken in Pakistan. De Maizière ( interior minister,) said there had been problems questioning him in the past because no translator could be found who spoke Balochi." ( for petty crimes arrests in the past) De Maizière said he was not giving much attention to the Isis message claiming responsibility for the attack.

He confirmed reports that the arrested man had applied for asylum but appn wasn't completed to date. He arrived in Germany on 31 December 2015 and in Berlin since February. Die Welt newspaper is reporting that he had a temporary residence permit since June 2016.
Lived in the hangar at the disused Tempelhof airport in southern Berlin, 4 others questioned there but no arrests made.

The legit Polish driver was shot with a pistol. they haven't been able to find that yet. Polish driver has been formally identified and apparently put up quite a fight before being shot.

ETA- only seems to be De Welt & DMail quoting source "We have the wrong man" as per previously linked post ^ http://news.sky.com/story/berlin-chr...ttack-10702930
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ople-dead.html


If the Polish driver is so badly beaten, it surely must be a quick job to test the DNA on the suspects hands?

So this story seems a little strange now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ding-spot.html

I think they must have had some form of checks as Merkel has promised that approx 100,000 failed asylum seekers will be sent back to where they came ...

I said at the time that Merkel would have plenty of blood on her hands when she took that decision - not sure if her motivation was purely her being humane or political but you would have thought her closest advisers were telling her that she was signing her own political death warrant at the time ...

Hang on......doesn't that mean that the attacker is not a refugee from Pakistan?

Time to send Merkel's guests home.

I've also seen on here a few times over the years when a group of Muslims do speak up against the extremists the response is that they're the wrong Muslims or something similar.

I take it you are using thereligionofpeace.com as your source of information.
It counts pretty much any killing by any Muslim including in warzones and people killed in family disputes, and also has some erroneous entries.

We are by the way not playing terrorism top trumps. I am merely disagreeing with the premise that far right terrorism is not a problem.

That Jihadist terrorism is the form of terrorism currently causing mass casualties in the EU is not disputed.

For example.
The latest 2016 Eurpol report on terrorism in the EU which covers terrorist attacks made in 2015.
Jihadist terrorism caused 150 fatalities in the EU (the Paris attacks account for 148)
All other terrorism combined caused 3 fatalities in the EU.

But that other forms of terrorism also exist and if not for security services and police would succeed in killing more people than they currently do is also reality.

For example.
The latest 2016 Eurpol report on terrorism in the EU which covers terrorist attacks made in 2015.
Terrorist attacks in the EU including successful, failed and foiled attacks
65 Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
17 Jihadist terrorist attacks (15 of the attacks relate to the Paris attacks)
13 Left-wing and anarchist attacks
9 Right-wing terrorist attacks

May have been made . Of course they have to check every detail first