politicians just arent protecting us anymore, its not happening directly to them so its just one of those things we have to live with according to them
A truck has ploughed into a Christmas market in Berlin.
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Originally Posted by Sport1:
“How is keeping people informed 'political'?”
“How is keeping people informed 'political'?”
Contradictory statements tend to confuse the public and can be used in an attempt to diffuse the political nature of an attack. With each hour that passes without resolution, the waters become increasingly muddied. I tend to think this aids Merkel.
The police should only be concerned with feeding the public safety related information at this stage. The suspect's he said/she said and asking the public not to post videos on social media is not really appropriate I believe.
Originally Posted by mal2pool:
“politicians just arent protecting us anymore, its not happening directly to them so its just one of those things we have to live with according to them”
“politicians just arent protecting us anymore, its not happening directly to them so its just one of those things we have to live with according to them”
There are few protections anyone politicians, security experts or otherwise can offer the public against such incidents as we have seen in Berlin and Nice. You can protect a designated area of importance but you cannot protect every town or village in the land. If a truck ploughed into a shopping area in a small town it would probably kill scores and injure just as many as were lost in Berlin and Nice and make the same devastating headlines as it would have done if carried out in central London. What actually surprise me most is that we haven't had a number of soft targets such as towns and villages attacked as it sends the same message.
Originally Posted by walford-e20:
“Unless the 'witness' was working with the driver to deliberately lead police on a false trail, leaving the real suspect free to unleash more terror.”
“Unless the 'witness' was working with the driver to deliberately lead police on a false trail, leaving the real suspect free to unleash more terror.”
That would be a really advanced plan. Possible.
Originally Posted by mal2pool:
“politicians just arent protecting us anymore, its not happening directly to them so its just one of those things we have to live with according to them”
“politicians just arent protecting us anymore, its not happening directly to them so its just one of those things we have to live with according to them”
You missed the whole Jo Cox thing then?
muslims againt isis
there are loads of f/b groups and pages.
More than 30,000 Muslims from across the world meet in the UK to reject Isis and Islamic extremism
Media Blackout As Millions Of Muslims March Against ISIS In Iraq
media blackout as london muslims march againt isis.
one of those is about 20 million muslims marching against isis in iraq.
these media blackouts don`t help the perception .
and so on.
there are loads of f/b groups and pages.
More than 30,000 Muslims from across the world meet in the UK to reject Isis and Islamic extremism
Media Blackout As Millions Of Muslims March Against ISIS In Iraq
media blackout as london muslims march againt isis.
one of those is about 20 million muslims marching against isis in iraq.
these media blackouts don`t help the perception .
and so on.
Originally Posted by mal2pool:
“politicians just arent protecting us anymore, its not happening directly to them so its just one of those things we have to live with according to them”
“politicians just arent protecting us anymore, its not happening directly to them so its just one of those things we have to live with according to them”
What do you think they could be doing to prevent very random attacks like that? As someone said - it could happen anywhere at anytime. We just have to be vigilant.
Originally Posted by Palafrugel:
“I like the idea of the investigation, what I dislike is the political nature of the German police. Personally I would prefer if they keep most the investigation classified at this stage. Giving out statements hourly that the suspect denies involvement and that they may have the wrong man seems a little unprofessional.”
“I like the idea of the investigation, what I dislike is the political nature of the German police. Personally I would prefer if they keep most the investigation classified at this stage. Giving out statements hourly that the suspect denies involvement and that they may have the wrong man seems a little unprofessional.”
That's what I said earlier.
They should not give out details, unless there is a safety issue, or a description to pass out etc.
Repeating what a suspect says is just wrong. That should be left until a court hearing.
Many places do this, and it does cause confusion. Thankfully we dont do that here.
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“they do and they are.
regarding catholicism, are you old enough to remember the ira in the 70`s?
it was the same then for irish people, in essence at least, as it is now with muslim people.”
“they do and they are.
regarding catholicism, are you old enough to remember the ira in the 70`s?
it was the same then for irish people, in essence at least, as it is now with muslim people.”
The difference is that the IRA were fighting on behalf of the Catholic population who were being subjugated by the Protestant ruling bigots. Similarly the Palestinians were fighting against the Israelis for their human rights
The Muslim fanatics just want to destroy the Western way of life
Originally Posted by walford-e20:
“Unless the 'witness' was working with the driver to deliberately lead police on a false trail, leaving the real suspect free to unleash more terror.”
“Unless the 'witness' was working with the driver to deliberately lead police on a false trail, leaving the real suspect free to unleash more terror.”
Or the witness saw a brown person, put two and two together coming up with five
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“The difference is that the IRA were fighting on behalf of the Catholic population who were being subjugated by the Protestant ruling bigots. Similarly the Palestinians were fighting against the Israelis for their human rights
The Muslim fanatics just want to destroy the Western way of life”
“The difference is that the IRA were fighting on behalf of the Catholic population who were being subjugated by the Protestant ruling bigots. Similarly the Palestinians were fighting against the Israelis for their human rights
The Muslim fanatics just want to destroy the Western way of life”
you`re ok with the ira terrorism are you?
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“The difference is that the IRA were fighting on behalf of the Catholic population who were being subjugated by the Protestant ruling bigots. Similarly the Palestinians were fighting against the Israelis for their human rights
The Muslim fanatics just want to destroy the Western way of life”
“The difference is that the IRA were fighting on behalf of the Catholic population who were being subjugated by the Protestant ruling bigots. Similarly the Palestinians were fighting against the Israelis for their human rights
The Muslim fanatics just want to destroy the Western way of life”
Nice bait.
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“This isn't a popularity contest, and it's irrelevant what other FMs think or understand. As I said, I'm willing to answer any questions that you have provided that I understand the question. Since you've neglected to do that I'll just bid you good night.
Stick it up your ****.”
“This isn't a popularity contest, and it's irrelevant what other FMs think or understand. As I said, I'm willing to answer any questions that you have provided that I understand the question. Since you've neglected to do that I'll just bid you good night.
Stick it up your ****.”
What was that you were saying earlier about not abusing fellow fms ? Pretty selective don't you think?
Originally Posted by Palafrugel:
“Contradictory statements tend to confuse the public and can be used in an attempt to diffuse the political nature of an attack. With each hour that passes without resolution, the waters become increasingly muddied. I tend to think this aids Merkel.
The police should only be concerned with feeding the public safety related information at this stage. The suspect's he said/she said and asking the public not to post videos on social media is not really appropriate I believe.”
“Contradictory statements tend to confuse the public and can be used in an attempt to diffuse the political nature of an attack. With each hour that passes without resolution, the waters become increasingly muddied. I tend to think this aids Merkel.
The police should only be concerned with feeding the public safety related information at this stage. The suspect's he said/she said and asking the public not to post videos on social media is not really appropriate I believe.”
I agree apart from aiding Merkel. Why do you think it does?
Originally Posted by Pink_Smurf:
“Muslims are not a race. There are Asian, middle eastern, black and white and mixed race Muslims. It's not racist to criticise an ideology. Is it racist to criticise Scientology? What's the difference? Anyway muslims should speak up against the terrorists. As someone else said a lot of muslims blame us when it comes to terror attacks. They blame us for voting, our government's foreign policy etc.”
“Muslims are not a race. There are Asian, middle eastern, black and white and mixed race Muslims. It's not racist to criticise an ideology. Is it racist to criticise Scientology? What's the difference? Anyway muslims should speak up against the terrorists. As someone else said a lot of muslims blame us when it comes to terror attacks. They blame us for voting, our government's foreign policy etc.”
People say 'racist' incorrectly, you're right. But quibbling over semantics doesn't change the nature of the point being made. Lumping all muslims in with the extremists by implied association is bigotry, pure and simple.
Multiple links have been given of examples where they have condemned the terrorists - clearly and unequivocally. Try reading them.
It seems likely to me that the Polish man was kidnapped as he was found with a gunshot wound in the passenger seat.
Who gave him that injury is up for debate but the man arrested is still under suspicion.
Who gave him that injury is up for debate but the man arrested is still under suspicion.
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“Or the witness saw a brown person, put two and two together coming up with five”
“Or the witness saw a brown person, put two and two together coming up with five”
Got to say I might not hang around if I was brown and innocent, given the public sentiment.
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“muslims againt isis
there are loads of f/b groups and pages.
More than 30,000 Muslims from across the world meet in the UK to reject Isis and Islamic extremism
Media Blackout As Millions Of Muslims March Against ISIS In Iraq
media blackout as london muslims march againt isis.
one of those is about 20 million muslims marching against isis in iraq.
these media blackouts don`t help the perception .
and so on.”
“muslims againt isis
there are loads of f/b groups and pages.
More than 30,000 Muslims from across the world meet in the UK to reject Isis and Islamic extremism
Media Blackout As Millions Of Muslims March Against ISIS In Iraq
media blackout as london muslims march againt isis.
one of those is about 20 million muslims marching against isis in iraq.
these media blackouts don`t help the perception .
and so on.”
Originally Posted by el_bardos:
“
Multiple links have been given of examples where they have condemned the terrorists - clearly and unequivocally. Try reading them.”
“
Multiple links have been given of examples where they have condemned the terrorists - clearly and unequivocally. Try reading them.”
and here some are!!
They have arrested the wrong man. Just when you think the police forces in Europe are well trained and equipped, this happens. They can't even arrest the right person. Now he will keep a low profile until he is ready to strike again.
Originally Posted by davor:
“They have arrested the wrong man. Just when you think the police forces in Europe are well trained and equipped, this happens. They can't even arrest the right person. Now he will keep a low profile until he is ready to strike again.”
“They have arrested the wrong man. Just when you think the police forces in Europe are well trained and equipped, this happens. They can't even arrest the right person. Now he will keep a low profile until he is ready to strike again.”
Has that actually been confirmed yet?
Originally Posted by alan29:
“Got to say I might not hang around if I was brown and innocent, given the public sentiment.”
“Got to say I might not hang around if I was brown and innocent, given the public sentiment.”
Apparently, the 'driver' was arrested because a member of the public followed him as he 'ran' off. Two things spring to mind about that - one is that the member of the public followed the wrong person who was doing exactly what you just said and got the hell out of dodge in the circumstances, and two that the police just arrested the nearest person of 'suspicion' acting on the member of the public's location. A third option also springs to mind in that this member of the public could have been the driver throwing off suspicion on some random patsy
So many permutations....
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Hang on......doesn't that mean that the attacker is not a refugee from Pakistan?”
“Hang on......doesn't that mean that the attacker is not a refugee from Pakistan?”
No, it means they don't know what he is if he is not in custody and they don't have an identity,
Originally Posted by davor:
“They have arrested the wrong man. Just when you think the police forces in Europe are well trained and equipped, this happens. They can't even arrest the right person. Now he will keep a low profile until he is ready to strike again.”
“They have arrested the wrong man. Just when you think the police forces in Europe are well trained and equipped, this happens. They can't even arrest the right person. Now he will keep a low profile until he is ready to strike again.”
Originally Posted by stvn758:
“One of the reports from the eyewitness who never took his eyes off the guy from the moment he left the cab to when a patrol car arrested him hiding.”
“One of the reports from the eyewitness who never took his eyes off the guy from the moment he left the cab to when a patrol car arrested him hiding.”
Who was this fella following then
Originally Posted by Mark39London:
“Has that actually been confirmed yet?”
“Has that actually been confirmed yet?”
It has been all over the German media.
As usual TV news is continuing to repeat what happened, spreading further unnecessary fear, just as the terrorists would of hoped. Then you get the glory hunters uploading the footage to the web, further to the delight of terrorists.
People sure do like to shoot themselves in the feet. Stop giving terrorists a platform and stop feeding peoples lust for drama.
People sure do like to shoot themselves in the feet. Stop giving terrorists a platform and stop feeding peoples lust for drama.
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