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A truck has ploughed into a Christmas market in Berlin.
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Union Jock
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by davor:
“They have arrested the wrong man. Just when you think the police forces in Europe are well trained and equipped, this happens. They can't even arrest the right person. Now he will keep a low profile until he is ready to strike again.”

Not necessarily, they're saying that it could be the wrong person because he's denying having been involved.

IMO it was a daft thing for them to come out with until they are certain either way.
Eurostar
20-12-2016
The unfortunate driver who was hijacked and murdered was a 37 year old Pole. It would appear from this that the atacker was carrying a gun and a knife :

http://www.independent.ie/world-news...-35309027.html
flashfiction
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark39London:
“Thanks for that

Bad news if he is still on the run, and sad for the Polish 'original' driver, who seems to have been shot and stabbed prior to the attack equally worrying is that no gun has yet been found.”

It looks like the Polish driver, "Lukasz Urban, a 37-year-old father-of-one", put up quite a fight.....if we can believe accuracy of what they're releasing. (They 're saying the cab was full of blood - am presuming it's the Polish guy's blood? Guardian's live feed.)
Strange that they have not found the knife either.

I appreciate that before they have investigated this they need to warn that the attacker may still be on the loose and put out a warning for public safety ( just says that they are on high alert).
Just would have thought, due to public risk they would have been processing the lorry cab evidence/DNA testing of suspect and Polish driver throughout the night?
Obviously we're expecting too much too soon. ( Polish driver's boss says his employee's face was battered and bruised but maybe those are impact injuries and AS YET there isn't a single (Polish ) DNA link on the arrested suspect.)
blueblade
20-12-2016
The guy who ran off could be a decoy for the real perpetrator.
Deep Purple
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“The guy who ran off could be a decoy for the real perpetrator.”

In which case he would be a co accused of course.

I just hope they get all the bastards involved. it is an all too common threat we are all under.
LostFool
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“The guy who ran off could be a decoy for the real perpetrator.”

Or maybe he had nothing to do with it and just ran away as he realised that a terrorist attack had just happened and he was in possession of a brown face. Maybe it was mistaken identity. Anything is possible.
Mark_Jones9
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“People assumed it was the Nazis that were the first people to make Jews walk around in public wearing a yellow - they actually copied that idea from practices in the Middle East a century ago.”

Umayyad Caliph Umar II started the requirement in the 8th century.

But it was also a requirement introduced by the Pope in 13th Century Europe
1215 the Fourth Council of the Lateran headed by Pope Innocent III ruled that Jews and Muslims must wear distinguishable dress (Latin habitus).
1222 Archbishop of Canterbury Stephen Langton orders English Jews to wear a white band two fingers broad and four fingers long.
1227 the Synod of Narbonne, in canon 3, ruled: That Jews may be distinguished from others, we decree and emphatically command that in the center of the breast (of their garments) they shall wear an oval badge, the measure of one finger in width and one half a palm in height.
1274, Edward I of England enacted the Statute of Jewry: Each Jew, after he is seven years old, shall wear a distinguishing mark on his outer garment, that is to say, in the form of two Tables joined, of yellow felt of the length of six inches and of the breadth of three inches
blueblade
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Or maybe he had nothing to do with it and just ran away as he realised that a terrorist attack had just happened and he was in possession of a brown face. Maybe it was mistaken identity. Anything is possible.”

Yep, could be that as well. Who knows.
GusGus
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by samantha_vine:
“Muslims protesting against ISIS won't do anything

You honestly think that will make ISIS stop? Also even if they are protests...the media won't even pick it up.”

But by not protesting they lay themselves open to the accusation that they are in support
D_Mcd4
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Or maybe he had nothing to do with it and just ran away as he realised that a terrorist attack had just happened and he was in possession of a brown face. Maybe it was mistaken identity. Anything is possible.”

So his arrest could be down to racism?
blueblade
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by D_Mcd4:
“So his arrest could be down to racism? ”

No, it was the fact he ran off which obviously aroused suspicion.

I think lost fool meant that, assuming he is innocent, the guy himself thought he might be arrested given he had dark skin and was at the scene.
GusGus
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“muslims againt isis


there are loads of f/b groups and pages.

More than 30,000 Muslims from across the world meet in the UK to reject Isis and Islamic extremism

Media Blackout As Millions Of Muslims March Against ISIS In Iraq

media blackout as london muslims march againt isis.

one of those is about 20 million muslims marching against isis in iraq.

these media blackouts don`t help the perception .

and so on.”

Given your vigorous defence of Muslims, do you support their subjugation of women?
GloriaSnockers
20-12-2016
I think it was incredibly brave of that bystander to run after the suspect and keep him in sight, but in circumstances like that there was always going to be room for doubt. There must have been loads of people running away from that scene, and the lorry had just taken a lot of the lights out too. I'm hoping that they've got the right person and physical evidence can be found to confirm it.
GusGus
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“you`re ok with the ira terrorism are you?”


No, I supported their objective but not their methods
Union Jock
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“Just reported on the Daily Politics that the German polis have arrested the wrong man.
Apparently the guy in custody wasn't the driver.”

They said it's possible he could be the wrong guy because he's denying it.
sorcha_healy27
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“You must be well placed to have heard them, none of the rest of us have
The Pakistani community and the Country have been particularly quiet but then they harboured Osama Bun Laden. They have hated us since the days of Jinnah and Partition”

Any muslim who speaks out against fundamentalism is placing their life in danger. Look what happened to that poor shopkeeper in Glasgow

In any case why should all muslims have to condemn it. Irish people should not have to condemn the ira for fear they'd be held responsible for the acts of a few evil people who do not represent all of them.
Cheetah666
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Union Jock:
“They said it's possible he could be the wrong guy because he's denying it.”

No, German media have reported that his DNA doesn't match that found in the truck.
shaddler
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by anais32:
“Nazi ideology did NOT treat women as equal citizens. That's clearly nonsense. Women for the Nazis were relegated to the home and their purpose was to produce good Aryan (hopefully male) children. Any professional woman was expected to totally relinquish their careers.”

The comparison becomes more accurate then.
Palafrugel
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“No, German media have reported that his DNA doesn't match that found in the truck.”

Interesting.

Do you have the link for that?
jesaya
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by anais32:
“Nazi ideology did NOT treat women as equal citizens. That's clearly nonsense. Women for the Nazis were relegated to the home and their purpose was to produce good Aryan (hopefully male) children. Any professional woman was expected to totally relinquish their careers.

Also, given the Nazi party declared itself to be the only political party in Germany, I think you'll find that 'leaving it' wasn't really possible. You certainly could not join another one unless you were part of the resistance. For which you would be shot if discovered.”

Can I add that the Nazis didn't leave female homosexuals alone. They considered criminalising them, but women were not that important anyway so they didn't bother. However lesbians who didn't hide away were considered to be 'anti-social' (because of the producing children thing you mention) and some ended up in concentration camps where many worked in brothels (the Nazis thought sex would cure them).
anais32
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by jesaya:
“Can I add that the Nazis didn't leave female homosexuals alone. They considered criminalising them, but women were not that important anyway so they didn't bother. However lesbians who didn't hide away were considered to be 'anti-social' (because of the producing children thing you mention) and some ended up in concentration camps where many worked in brothels (the Nazis thought sex would cure them).”

Yes. In fact nineteenth century England though about the same thing when it produced the repugnant Criminal Law Amendment Act. But the male legislators didn't believe such a thing existed (despite the new science of sexology) and though such women merely mentally ill.
Cheetah666
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Palafrugel:
“Interesting.

Do you have the link for that?”

Sure.

Quote:
“ Berliner Zeitung newspaper reports that blood and DNA found inside the cab of the hijacked lorry do not match that of the arrested man, casting further doubt on whether he was involved.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...asylum-seeker/
D_Mcd4
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“No, it was the fact he ran off which obviously aroused suspicion.

I think lost fool meant that, assuming he is innocent, the guy himself thought he might be arrested given he had dark skin and was at the scene.”

Ah right, the man himself would be paranoid.
samantha_vine
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“But by not protesting they lay themselves open to the accusation that they are in support”

Accused by who? Racists?

If you don't protest you support ISIS? These have been loads of protests even near where I live yet you won't see it on the news.
blueblade
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“In which case he would be a co accused of course.

I just hope they get all the bastards involved. it is an all too common threat we are all under.”

Yes.

I noticed they said that bollards would now be set up at market places in Germany. I believe we've had them for a little while now in certain areas, for this purpose.

I'm presuming ours have been impact tested, and theirs will be as well.

The lorry through the crowd tactic is a bit of a departure from the usual suicide bomber.
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