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A truck has ploughed into a Christmas market in Berlin.
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Trulytrue
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by shaddler:
“Apparently the Tunisian suspect was kind enough to drop his ID in the truck.”

They really are helpful. Like the one who put a truck through the jet wash after mowing down 200 people.
flashfiction
21-12-2016
So, they're now looking for a Tunisian due to an ID document left in the cab.
It won't be the first time an ID card has been left - didn't this happen with the Paris cafe attacks too?

"Officials issued the document to a Tunisian man named Anis A., who was born in 1992 in Tataouine. The suspect is also believed to go by two aliases."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1126946.html

also
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“...German police say they have received more than 500 leads that could help them identify the man....André Schulz, the head of the German Union of Detective Constables, said investigators were analysing DNA traces and fingerprints, as well using GPS data from the evening of the attack to trace the perpetrator’s mobile phone. “We have many ways to find this person,” Schulz said.”

( Guardian)

and "German media speculated that the perpetrator must have disabled or overridden the vehicle’s automated braking system to carry out the attack." No idea about this but it again implies some real planning.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ose-say-police

As German privacy laws mean they can't release surnames ( thus any of his aliases) they're surely going to find it difficult to get intelligence from his local community.
NeverEnough
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“Yes, most rational people who aren't taken in by the security services scaremongering. As I said on a different thread, there hasn't been a significant terrorist attack in the UK for over 11 years.”

Well apart from the murder of Lee Rigby which took place in 2013?

And are you seriously suggesting that you know more about the situation than the security services? And that they're lying to us? To what end?

I hope you are right, however I suspect that in actuality most rational people wouldn't be in the least bit surprised when, and I repeat when, there is another terrorist attack n the U.K.
flashfiction
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“it's depressing isn't it. But hey ho what can you expect when probably many of them rely on the Daily Mail to tell them what's happening.”

From what I've seen, all the papers were regurgitating the same info on the wrong suspect. Whilst the Guardian was right not to initially open comments, their coverage also smelled of desperation NOT to have an asylum seeker as a perp. So pot calling the kettle on this one.

All the Brit papers were most interested in the political implications or even worries for Merkel more than expressing any real concern for those that died. Guardian was no exception there.
BasilRathbon
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“I'm guessing that the relatives of Lee Rigby would dispute that”

How many people were killed in the Lee Rigby incident? Tragic as that may have been for his family, that was a targeted attack against a serving soldier, and therefore not one that would be a threat to anyone who wasn't a serving soldier.

A significant terrorist attack is one that affects innocent civilians, regardless of their profession, ethnicity or nationality and as I say there hasn't been one of those in the UK for over 11 years.
mick r
21-12-2016
You are seeing the emergence of the New World Order which began on 1 January 2016.

http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelop...opment-agenda/
Straker
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Rekekah_Carter:
“Well, that would deprive you of making your snidey little comments though, wouldn't it! ”

There you are! Proving me right again.
Straker
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“it's depressing isn't it. But hey ho what can you expect when probably many of them rely on the Daily Mail to tell them what's happening.”

Indeed. Even when confronted with their opportunistic bigotry based on bogus info they still can't admit they're wrong to think as they do.
Dotheboyshall
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“it's depressing isn't it. But hey ho what can you expect when probably many of them rely on the Daily Mail to tell them what's happening.”

The Heil is saying the Germans have bungled the investigation, but you can't really say that until you've shot a Brazilian.
Rekekah_Carter
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“There you are! Proving me right again.”

In your tiny little mind maybe.
flashfiction
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“How many people were killed in the Lee Rigby incident? Tragic as that may have been for his family, that was a targeted attack against a serving soldier, and therefore not one that would be a threat to anyone who wasn't a serving soldier.

A significant terrorist attack is one that affects innocent civilians, regardless of their profession, ethnicity or nationality and as I say there hasn't been one of those in the UK for over 11 years.”

Really? ISIS style operation is mass revulsion and media attention with some sick novelty factor thrown in. I reckon Lee Rigby murder affected innocent civilians re the main aim - to create panic and fear. Lee Rigby was innocent.

you also said:
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“Yes, most rational people who aren't taken in by the security services scaremongering. As I said on a different thread, there hasn't been a significant terrorist attack in the UK for over 11 years.”

You reckon there might be a link between sec service work recently & Britain not having suffered the no. of attacks as seen in France?
What name??
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by flashfiction:
“From what I've seen, all the papers were regurgitating the same info on the wrong suspect. Whilst the Guardian was right not to initially open comments, their coverage also smelled of desperation NOT to have an asylum seeker as a perp. So pot calling the kettle on this one.

All the Brit papers were most interested in the political implications or even worries for Merkel more than expressing any real concern for those that died. Guardian was no exception there.”

Doesn't appear to be a lot of concern or sympathy for the man who was arrested, held for 2 days, history looked into and published, and generally reviled in the press and online all for the crime of running away from danger during a terrorist attack.
TrollHunter
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“Sadly I think it's simply a matter of "when" and not "if" an attack happens.

Does anyone disagree?”

Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“Yes, most rational people who aren't taken in by the security services scaremongering. As I said on a different thread, there hasn't been a significant terrorist attack in the UK for over 11 years.”

I don't think anyone disagrees that it's a matter of time *when* an attack happens, not *if*, but Basil, I think you're confusing 'an attack' with a significant attack.

The bombings on 7th July were a significant attack,
The Lee Rigby murder was an attack.
Stabbings at Leytonstone tube station in December last year was an attack.
The murder of Jo Cox was considered terrorist related.

Attacks happen and are happening, and the fear of a significant attack is still prevalent. A significant attack may happen - it's certainly not irrational to think otherwise, no matter how condescending you might be.
MAW
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“The Heil is saying the Germans have bungled the investigation, but you can't really say that until you've shot a Brazilian.”

A bit harsh, our cops probably shoot less people than any other force, anywhere outside Lichtenstein. That was a bungle to top many though. But it's certainly early days to be claiming its bungled. Letting go an obviously innocent man is a good start, not a bungle. Sounds very much like they are looking for a fairly recent arrival though.
JimothyD
21-12-2016
This is so, so dodgy. He just happens to leave a temporary residency permit in the truck. Hmmm, not suspicious at all. No doubt planted so the Germans can say 'he came here through a legitimate process', rather than just being herded in with a million other foreigners.
Dotheboyshall
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“Apparently they have closed the roads around Buckingham Palace this morning”

To traffic, when the Changing of the Guard occurs.
duckylucky
21-12-2016
What is it with terrorists who keep droping their ID in places where they will be found
Are they just very careless terrorists ?
Straker
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Rekekah_Carter:
“ In your tiny little mind maybe.”

You haven't quite got the hang of the "Please treat other users with respect" bit of the rules have you?

Another insult and I'll report you. I'm amazed I haven't done so yet.
Dotheboyshall
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Doesn't appear to be a lot of concern or sympathy for the man who was arrested, held for 2 days, history looked into and published, and generally reviled in the press and online all for the crime of running away from danger during a terrorist attack.”

He sent through a red light which is proof of terrorist links - or learnt to drive in the UK.
JimothyD
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“Yes, most rational people who aren't taken in by the security services scaremongering. As I said on a different thread, there hasn't been a significant terrorist attack in the UK for over 11 years.”

To be fair, the UK has a very impressive intelligence apparatus. We spend more on intelligence that France and Germany put together, have much stronger intel links with the US, are part of the five eyes set up, and have a long history of fighting terrorism. We are undoubtedly a target - why wouldn't we be? If the government were just lying to pursue some warped agenda, they could easily stage a false flag attack.
GusGus
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“How many people were killed in the Lee Rigby incident? Tragic as that may have been for his family, that was a targeted attack against a serving soldier, and therefore not one that would be a threat to anyone who wasn't a serving soldier.

A significant terrorist attack is one that affects innocent civilians, regardless of their profession, ethnicity or nationality and as I say there hasn't been one of those in the UK for over 11 years.”


So in your view a "significant attack" kills more than one person
I disagree
D_Mcd4
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“Yes, most rational people who aren't taken in by the security services scaremongering. As I said on a different thread, there hasn't been a significant terrorist attack in the UK for over 11 years.”

Er, no. Most rational people accept the security services here do a good job. Only CT nuts believe it's all false flags and made up threats.
hufflestuff
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“You haven't quite got the hang of the "Please treat other users with respect" bit of the rules have you?

Another insult and I'll report you. I'm amazed I haven't done so yet.”

You don't think people find your posts insulting sometimes?
NeverEnough
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Doesn't appear to be a lot of concern or sympathy for the man who was arrested, held for 2 days, history looked into and published, and generally reviled in the press and online all for the crime of running away from danger during a terrorist attack.”

This man has now been released. The authorities have made it clear he is innocent, and most importantly he hasn't been identified. If he feels his life has been ruined he can seek compensation.

Arrest, questioning and release is a pretty standard practice on crime suspects to rule them out. Are you saying that this process should not have been carried out because the ex- suspect was an asylum seeker?
MargMck
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by JimothyD:
“To be fair, the UK has a very impressive intelligence apparatus. We spend more on intelligence that France and Germany put together, have much stronger intel links with the US, are part of the five eyes set up, and have a long history of fighting terrorism. We are undoubtedly a target - why wouldn't we be? If the government were just lying to pursue some warped agenda, they could easily stage a false flag attack.”

Yes, and a growing list of planned attacks have been foiled and terrorists jailed before achieving their aims. By September terrorist prisoners in British jails reached a new peak of 152 (27 awaiting trial, the rest already convicted). As well as these Islamic terrorists, another 13 were inside for domestic extremism or 'separatism' offences such as Irish Republicanism.
Source, Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...office-figures

And here's the Met's list of arrested and convicted terrorists and sympathisers.
http://news.met.police.uk/latest_new...nter-terrorism

So absolutely no need for a 'false flag' - the convictions speak for themselves.
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