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A truck has ploughed into a Christmas market in Berlin.
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FusionFury
21-12-2016
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/245194...r-right-surge/

Merkel on the brink...

Time to go, love. Get your coat

Damaged goods. A busted flush. She is damaging Germany way too much with her open "have nothing to do with islam" border whacky policies.

She already U-Turned on the burka in an embarrassing come down.. she is weak.
flashfiction
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Pink_Smurf:
“According to UK press Germany has strict privacy laws. In this situation I'd say stuff his right to privacy. He needs to be found whatever the outcome either to charge him or rule him out. I don't know if the authorities have this man's DNA but what is believed to be the suspect's blood is in the truck. If the power that be do have his DNA then his full photo should be shown so he can be found.”

Agree and they said yesterday that bloodied clothes had been left in the cab so once they interview him it should be fast to rule him in/out.
What name??
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“This man has now been released. The authorities have made it clear he is innocent, and most importantly he hasn't been identified. If he feels his life has been ruined he can seek compensation.”

He was identified online and in print yesterday. The media were running around talking to his friends, neighbours and trying to find his family. For years onwards if you google his name it will be linked to a terrorist attack. Of course the media coverage was ill thought out and damaged him.

He should have been checked out if a member of the public thought he was involved but him being identified was clearly precipitous and ethically wrong.
anne_666
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“I wonder if there's an argument for waiving such rules in terrorism cases.

You'd surely have to balance the need for privacy with the vital requirement for public safety.

Just a thought, anyway.”

Odd that It's not blurred in every report.

https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deu...igem-tunesier/

Crazy when it's easy enough to find on the internet regardless of their privacy law.

Originally Posted by JimothyD:
“This is so, so dodgy. He just happens to leave a temporary residency permit in the truck. Hmmm, not suspicious at all. No doubt planted so the Germans can say 'he came here through a legitimate process', rather than just being herded in with a million other foreigners.”

Asylum seekers are given temporary residence permits
Straker
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Rule no1 is no laughing
Rule no2 is do as I say not as I do ”

DS makes the rules. Perhaps a refresher course is due?

Originally Posted by blueblade:
“OK, fair enough. But I'd be interested to know what posts you've observed such assertions. Apart from the rather odd musings of one now inactive member, the thread has been mostly pretty reasonable, and although I admit I may have missed what you mean, I've certainly not personally noted it.”

First few pages of the thread, it was being advocated that "they should all be put in camps" or words to that effect. Browse back if you're interested.

Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“”

It's good that you're enjoying yourself.
Grouty
21-12-2016
A one in Beijing now, at a farmers market, mini van, 4 killed, not sure how many injured
el_bardos
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“DS makes the rules. Perhaps a refresher course is due?”

Great, we'll sign you up straight away.
FusionFury
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Grouty:
“A one in Beijing now, at a farmers market, mini van, 4 killed, not sure how many injured ”

Yet only the Russians and Putin seem interested in taking the fight to Isis.. let's keep burying our heads in the sand while we get blown up !!
Susie_Smith
21-12-2016
He has managed to abscond from the clutches of the police twice now, yet left his ID in the cab of the truck? Very sloppy of him if they really are the killer's papers.
annette kurten
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“DS makes the rules. Perhaps a refresher course is due?



It's good that you're enjoying yourself.”

aw that`s sweet, thank you.

we need YOUR rule book though, the one with how many posts we need before we can express an opinion and the acceptable use of smilie faces and so on, we know what the ds rules are, we can read those.
mrsgrumpy49
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Doesn't appear to be a lot of concern or sympathy for the man who was arrested, held for 2 days, history looked into and published, and generally reviled in the press and online all for the crime of running away from danger during a terrorist attack.”

Could that be because there is still a suspicion that he might have been involved? He was released for lack of evidence. At first they did say they were going to keep him under scrutiny but that has changed to 'innocent'. So far as the man himself and the media are concerned anyway.
Though apparently no DNA on him or traces of him in the vehicle.. Which begs yet another question. In a supposed forensic examination of a vehicle, wouldn't you spot an ID card fairly quickly?
Susie_Smith
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by mrsgrumpy49:
“Could that be because there is still a suspicion that he might have been involved? He was released for lack of evidence. At first they did say they were going to keep him under scrutiny but that has changed to 'innocent'. So far as the man himself and the media are concerned anyway.
Though apparently no DNA on him or traces of him in the vehicle.. Which begs yet another question. In a supposed forensic examination of a vehicle, wouldn't you spot an ID card fairly quickly? :confused:”

Presumably they found it very quickly, but that does not mean the arrested man was not involved. He could have stolen the ID or someone else put it there. Or two terrorists could have been involved.

Odd that they did not release the photo to the public right away though rather than give the man two days to go into hiding before letting everyone know to look out for him.
anne_666
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/245194...r-right-surge/

Merkel on the brink...

Time to go, love. Get your coat

Damaged goods. A busted flush. She is damaging Germany way too much with her open "have nothing to do with islam" border whacky policies.

She already U-Turned on the burka in an embarrassing come down.. she is weak.”

Did she ever agree with the Burqa?

The same thing is said after every attack.
I really doubt if any German concerned about their on-going threatened economic future really condemns Merkel for her easiest method of gaining a lot of fit and fertile young workers which they desperately need year on year.
They may scapegoat her sometime to save their own skin but they still have to find large numbers of preferably young people.
They already had a large number of Muslims in the country and importing millions of Turks helped fill an economic gap. They're now conveniently left to cherry pick from asylum seekers stuck in isolated and more or less abandoned Greece and Italy.
They don't give a shit about how many people they've killed off to get them into Europe. Terrorism and loss of their citizens and asylum seekers lives is merely collateral damage and regardless of the migrant crisis there would still have been revenge terrorist attacks.
flashfiction
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Susie_Smith:
“He has managed to abscond from the clutches of the police twice now, yet left his ID in the cab of the truck? Very sloppy of him if they really are the killer's papers.”

Yes it does seem strange/convenient if you intend to escape but one of the Hedbo killesr left his ID card -apparently when they changed vehicles.
Also those attackers carried false cards so we don't know if this one is bonafide, esp as this Tunisian supposedly used false names.
BBC says:
Quote:
“The Tunisian suspect is also known to use false names, security sources told German media and Reuters news agency.He is reported to have travelled to Italy in 2012 and then on to Germany in 2015 where he applied for asylum and was granted temporary leave to stay in April of this year. He is said to be known to police and was briefly detained in August with fake Italian identity documents.
Sueddeutsche Zeitung reports that the suspect moved within the circle of an Islamist preacher, Ahmad Abdelazziz A, known as Abu Walaa, who was arrested in November.
Broadcaster N-TV said measures were "now imminent" in North Rhine-Westphalia but there were no further details.”

DMail reports this Tunisian is linked to an ISIS recruiter Abu Walaa:

Quote:
“He is a disciple of Abu Walaa, arrested in Hildesheim last month for recruiting radicals into the ranks of Isis. Walaa has previously spoken at mosques in London.
He was arrested along with five members of a terrorist recruiting network operating on behalf of the so-called Islamic State, according to prosecutors.
The arrests took place in the states of North Rhine-Westphalia and Lower Saxony. The network recruited and provided logistical support for local volunteers making their way from Germany to Syria.
Iraqi citizen known Abu Walaa, 32, or Ahmad Abdelaziz as he is also known, is a leading figure of the Jihadi movement in Germany, and many of his followers have made their way to Syria.
Walaa has been at the centre of a year-long investigation, which also yielded arrests in the city of Hildesheim in July 2016. The arrest appears to have been aided by a former IS fighter, Anil O, 22, who identified Walaa as Germany’s ISIS leader.”


and for the suspicious folk who are looking for something more sinister than the mowing down of families in a market:
http://whowhatwhy.org/2015/02/01/los...upid-sinister/
anne_666
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Yet only the Russians and Putin seem interested in taking the fight to Isis.. let's keep burying our heads in the sand while we get blown up !!”

For no other reason than Russia's vested interest in Syria.
If the West had any vital interest, resource needs or investment in Syria we'd be in there like rats up a drain pipe.
What name??
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by mrsgrumpy49:
“Could that be because there is still a suspicion that he might have been involved? He was released for lack of evidence. At first they did say they were going to keep him under scrutiny but that has changed to 'innocent'.”

They issued a statement that he was not involved. And as your statement proves and the quotes around innocent it will be hard for him to get over the fact that some people will still be suspicious of him because of the stories in the press. His naming is going to effect his life for years. Those papers that named him should make it equally clear that he is not involved and try to repair the damage - but I doubt they will.
Union Jock
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
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First few pages of the thread, it was being advocated that "they should all be put in camps" or words to that effect. Browse back if you're interested.

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I've browsed from the start up until yesterday and can't see any evidence of that.
Sport1
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Grouty:
“A one in Beijing now, at a farmers market, mini van, 4 killed, not sure how many injured ”

Which has nothing at all to do with this thread.
planets
21-12-2016
This question of IDs being found and how "convenient it is" and why would they have it, comes up every time there is an attack: Charlie Hebdo, The Bataclan, The Stade de France. In France and Germany you are legally required to have your ID on you at all times. Just because we aren't legally required to carry ID at all times in the UK doesn't mean the rest of the world is the same.
What name??
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by planets:
“This question of IDs being found and how "convenient it is" and why would they have it, comes up every time there is an attack: Charlie Hebdo, The Bataclan, The Stade de France. In France and Germany you are legally required to have your ID on you at all times.”

Yes. But when you are planning mass murder are you really worried about such a technicality? It does seem a little odd. And then to keep dropping it if you are obsessive about it...
planets
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Yes. But when you are planning mass murder are you really worried about such a technicality? It does seem a little odd. And then to keep dropping it if you are obsessive about it...”

The same questions are asked and answered every single time, as i said in my earlier post. Think about it for a moment: if they are stopped on the way to their martyrdom they need their ID in order to be free to go on their way and blow themselves up. If they didn't have the ID and were stopped they'd be detained etc and would miss their glorious ascent to heaven.
flashfiction
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by What name??:
“They issued a statement that he was not involved. And as your statement proves and the quotes around innocent it will be hard for him to get over the fact that some people will still be suspicious of him because of the stories in the press. His naming is going to effect his life for years. Those papers that named him should make it equally clear that he is not involved and try to repair the damage - but I doubt they will.”

Navid B also used a variety of aliases therefore.....
NeverEnough
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by What name??:
“He was identified online and in print yesterday. The media were running around talking to his friends, neighbours and trying to find his family. For years onwards if you google his name it will be linked to a terrorist attack. Of course the media coverage was ill thought out and damaged him.

He should have been checked out if a member of the public thought he was involved but him being identified was clearly precipitous and ethically wrong.”

If he was identified what is is full exact name?
TrollHunter
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by planets:
“The same questions are asked and answered every single time, as i said in my earlier post. Think about it for a moment: if they are stopped on the way to their martyrdom they need their ID in order to be free to go on their way and blow themselves up. If they didn't have the ID and were stopped they'd be detained etc and would miss their glorious ascent to heaven.”

It's perfectly reasonable that they have their ID on them at all times.
What is more than a bit suspicious is that they keep leaving it behind.
Either they're very clumsy or it's being planted. Either option seems equally plausible.
GusGus
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“For no other reason than Russia's vested interest in Syria.
If the West had any vital interest, resource needs or investment in Syria we'd be in there like rats up a drain pipe.”

Not too sure about that, he has problems keeping the lid on the Muslims in Chechnya and he doesn't want any of his colonies getting ideas
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